..., arsene has still won more.
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He's also been in the job three times as long. 
Is right. Rafa is only just getting the team to the level he wants. Wenger has had years to do it. Now, I'm not saying Wenger isn't a good manager...he does a fine job. But I just think you could easily point to Chelsea for bigger flops, United too. We didnt even lose that much money considering how badly he did.
Rafa won the European Cup with players like Biscan and Traore. We had Gerrard and Carragher and Alonso injured for long periods of the season.