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FU BLU wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

Worthington takes a cheap shot at Ricki.

Smeghead.

Cos Ricky WAS BRILLIANT !!

Got us to our first World Cup in 28 years and got us through it undefeated. Hudson will be happy to achieve that. 

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So, anyone gonna bite the bullet and give Radiosport a call and quiz Mr Hudson?

Naysayers? 

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Currently on Newstalk ZB and he's going to answer calls from listening.

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he sounds like beckham...bring it on golden balls!

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Fred de Jong is confident we will be playing an Asian team to qualify for the World Cup in 2018.

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Interesting that he is pushing for it, do North and South American federations get a say?

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Well he's named dropped Bill Tuiloma, so I'm gonna say that yep he's done his homework. His hero is the coach of Marseille though.

He also hopes his coaching contacts will help us secure other games, which I guess could see us play more Asian sides.

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Everyone should be happy with this interview. He sounded ambitious but went into a bit more detail as well about what sort of style he wants the team to play. He even mentioned some names.

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What I would like to hear from NZ football is why they chose to head hunt him. They were not short of candidates and despite some angst here about a couple of British coaches some impressive CVs. Where did the lead come from, who pushed his case and why?
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What I would like to hear from NZ football is why they chose to head hunt him. They were not short of candidates and despite some angst here about a couple of British coaches some impressive CVs. Where did the lead come from, who pushed his case and why?

Does it really matter?  He's the manager now, more important to see how he goes about coaching the side rather than worrying about who didn't get the job.  All rumours anyway about who did or didn't apply from the UK

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I'm not so worried about who didn't get the job but I am more interested in why he was head hunted in the first place. They had many applying for the job but for some reason thought he was worthy of being head hunted. Now that tells me all the other candidates were crap or they saw something special in him. Knowing what that something special is and how that person came to know about it, would be interesting.

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Aren't they meant to be paying NZA next weekend in Taupo?

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What I would like to hear from NZ football is why they chose to head hunt him. They were not short of candidates and despite some angst here about a couple of British coaches some impressive CVs. Where did the lead come from, who pushed his case and why?

I like your thinking.Then we know who to blame if it all goes wrong.

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Ryan54 wrote:
Fred de Jong is confident we will be playing an Asian team to qualify for the World Cup in 2018.

An (unlikely) away leg against Bahrain might be interesting for Hudson.

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2ndBest wrote:

Aren't they meant to be paying NZA next weekend in Taupo?

17th. 1pm KO. The article talks about this weekend but Ernie mentioned next weekend. I would suggest that Hudson will run the A side.
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Tegal wrote:

FU BLU wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

Worthington takes a cheap shot at Ricki.

Smeghead.

Cos Ricky WAS BRILLIANT !!

Got us to our first World Cup in 28 years and got us through it undefeated. Hudson will be happy to achieve that. 

Exactly. Yes he ran out of ideas in the end, yes he should have gone earlier, but don't forget the shambles that was the All Whites when he took over.

Give the bloke some credit for what he did achieve

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I think where some folk get confused in this situation with Ricki is that you can get credit for doing a good job but you can also pass your use by date in that job despite what you have done. The trick is to know when to get out at the right time. 

Why does Sir Alex Ferguson have legendary status at Manchester United? Cause he kept delivering and knew exactly when to get out. That's probably the difference in why Ricki and his supporters may feel he is reviled and not revered. You can't just sit back and go 'well I took us to the WC, stand by me' and there was perhaps an aspect (maybe arrogance?) of that from Ricki. You have to either get off the wagon and ride off into the sunset (after WC2010) where you look like a legend with folklore tendencies or if you stick around, you keep showing everyone you are the man and keep delivering. He stopped that.

The noise at the end for Ricki to roll was considerable and whether he was cognisant of that or not is debatable but he had to have known when the Phoenix gig packed in. That noise probably overshadowed all the credit he had gotten in his mind and maybe perhaps he had forgotten that he had been given. I think people give a lot of credit for what Ricki has done. Ricki probably feels he has not gotten that and as you say, it was a shambles when he took over and when he left, it was certainly armed with potential and in better shape for the next manager. 

I look at John Adshead who was a legend to me but in my eyes, he tarnished that taking on the Kinghts gig. Some times you just have to know..... 

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I think the team we have for Hudson has a truck load of potential. We are very heavy for players in parts of the field and light in others but I hope he gets that mix right. We are in desperate need of a quality screening/winning DM (put your hand down Jake) so that should probably be his first job in sorting out cause I think the keeper, defenders, striker, wide men and AMs pick themselves 

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Jeff Vader wrote:

I think where some folk get confused in this situation with Ricki is that you can get credit for doing a good job but you can also pass your use by date in that job despite what you have done. The trick is to know when to get out at the right time. 

Why does Sir Alex Ferguson have legendary status at Manchester United? Cause he kept delivering and knew exactly when to get out. That's probably the difference in why Ricki and his supporters may feel he is reviled and not revered. You can't just sit back and go 'well I took us to the WC, stand by me' and there was perhaps an aspect (maybe arrogance?) of that from Ricki. You have to either get off the wagon and ride off into the sunset (after WC2010) where you look like a legend with folklore tendencies or if you stick around, you keep showing everyone you are the man and keep delivering. He stopped that.

The noise at the end for Ricki to roll was considerable and whether he was cognisant of that or not is debatable but he had to have known when the Phoenix gig packed in. That noise probably overshadowed all the credit he had gotten in his mind and maybe perhaps he had forgotten that he had been given. I think people give a lot of credit for what Ricki has done. Ricki probably feels he has not gotten that and as you say, it was a shambles when he took over and when he left, it was certainly armed with potential and in better shape for the next manager. 

I look at John Adshead who was a legend to me but in my eyes, he tarnished that taking on the Kinghts gig. Some times you just have to know..... 

Yes, I agree it is about knowing when to give up, but looking at the nix alone, how long did he "overstay", remembering that he did take us to a finals series in his last full year here (albeit unsuccsesful) and then the following year had owners wanting to get him to play a style that was foreign to him.

It is moved off topic, but he would not be the first and wont be the last succsesful manager to have gone beyond his use-by date.  Should his  achievements prior to that time be forgotten or denegrated? Of course not. 

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Jeff Vader wrote:

I think the team we have for Hudson has a truck load of potential. We are very heavy for players in parts of the field and light in others but I hope he gets that mix right. We are in desperate need of a quality screening/winning DM (put your hand down Jake) so that should probably be his first job in sorting out cause I think the keeper, defenders, striker, wide men and AMs pick themselves 

Doyle to LB and Tuiloma to DM?
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sthn.jeff wrote:

Should his  achievements prior to that time be forgotten or denegrated? Of course not. 

Agree and I guess I was kinda trying to illustrate that (in a poor manner)
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Jeff Vader wrote:

I think the team we have for Hudson has a truck load of potential. We are very heavy for players in parts of the field and light in others but I hope he gets that mix right. We are in desperate need of a quality screening/winning DM (put your hand down Jake) so that should probably be his first job in sorting out cause I think the keeper, defenders, striker, wide men and AMs pick themselves 

Doyle to LB and Tuiloma to DM?

We've had so many through at LB. Lochhead is playing MLS, why not him? There was Rowe, Hogg, Tuiloma and now Doyle.

Lochhead does not have a future but is the most ready. Hogg is fucking about at NRFL 1 in a rubbish Metro side (Headcase United is their unofficial name I believe) Rowe is overseas... somewhere, Tuiloma is not a natural LB and last I saw of him seriously at Birkenhead, he was a left half so I have zero opinion of him at DM and probably would not endorse him in that position for the type of player/skill set we need. James is a DM but is a deep lying ball playing DM. We need one that screens, wins and mops up. Kinda like Riera cause there are players in front of that position (McGlinchey, Thomas, Rojas, Kosta, James) that can distribute and do it better. I'm not sure his defensive abilities are right for the type of player we need in that role (bearing in mind there are differing types of DMs)

On the face of it based on a couple games, Doyle should fancy himself. Similar story to Thomas in that he has been given a chance and is stepping up to the plate to take that. I guess that A game will be a chance for Hudson to show his wares and what he has in front of the national coach.

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I seem to recall Tuiloma has apparently been playing DM at Olympique Marsailles, which is why I suggested it. I've never seen him play there but if that's where his fancy-pants Eurotrash club are playing him then that's good enough for me.

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I seem to recall Tuiloma has apparently been playing DM at Olympique Marsailles, which is why I suggested it. I've never seen him play there but if that's where his fancy-pants Eurotrash club are playing him then that's good enough for me.

If it's good enough for a team 'one degree of separation' from Marcelo Bielsa, it's probably good enough for Hudson too.
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I seem to recall Tuiloma has apparently been playing DM at Olympique Marsailles, which is why I suggested it. I've never seen him play there but if that's where his fancy-pants Eurotrash club are playing him then that's good enough for me.

I know that. Do you think the style of DM that he is/would be based on what we have seen for the AWs would be what we need? He strikes me more of a ball player ala Chris James. I'm not sure that he is the style of DM we need. 
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Jeff Vader wrote:

I seem to recall Tuiloma has apparently been playing DM at Olympique Marsailles, which is why I suggested it. I've never seen him play there but if that's where his fancy-pants Eurotrash club are playing him then that's good enough for me.

I know that. Do you think the style of DM that he is/would be based on what we have seen for the AWs would be what we need? He strikes me more of a ball player ala Chris James. I'm not sure that he is the style of DM we need. 

I guess it depends on the rest of the tactical setup around him. Presumably he can tackle alright if he can play fullback as well, and if he was paired with James at the base of a 5 man midfield I think together they would provide an adequate defensive screen, at least against most opposition. And by being comfortable on the ball that releases pressure from the defense automatically because they get more time to reset between opposition attacks.
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James really isnt in our best 11 though.

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threatD wrote:

James really isnt in our best 11 though.

Who else do we have in central midfield apart from WeeMac? Payne and Howieson? I think James is better than those 2. Especially considering we've played Durante, Killen, Christie, and Butler in that holding role in recent years - the middle of the park is clearly our weakest area
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Dan Keat I think deserves a shot at DM he is 26 should be hitting his peak come 2018. Maybe not long term but a decent solution . Not sure how much game time he has been getting of late ? Transfermarket hasn't covered his matches in a month or two but his league is certainly ahead of James in the French 4th Division and Im guessing Tuiloma's Marseille reserves league is as good as the swedish top flight.
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Dan Keat's league is above where Chris James plays, but Chris James is a much better player than Dan Keat, so go figure.

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Luis Garcia wrote:

Dan Keat's league is above where Chris James plays, but Chris James is a much better player than Dan Keat, so go figure.

Both players couldnt crack it in the A-League. Rate Keat and James over Brockie though.

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Royz wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

Dan Keat's league is above where Chris James plays, but Chris James is a much better player than Dan Keat, so go figure.

Both players couldnt crack it in the A-League. Rate Keat and James over Brockie though.

OMG maybe we should go down the Herbert route, Brockie could play DM.

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Royz wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

Dan Keat's league is above where Chris James plays, but Chris James is a much better player than Dan Keat, so go figure.

Both players couldnt crack it in the A-League. Rate Keat and James over Brockie though.

30+ A League goals vs they couldn't crack it??
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Royz wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

Dan Keat's league is above where Chris James plays, but Chris James is a much better player than Dan Keat, so go figure.

Both players couldnt crack it in the A-League. Rate Keat and James over Brockie though.

So they can't crack it in the A-League but you rate them more than a guy who can? Great logic.

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Royz wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

Dan Keat's league is above where Chris James plays, but Chris James is a much better player than Dan Keat, so go figure.

Both players couldnt crack it in the A-League. Rate Keat and James over Brockie though.

That's a big call.  I think both players would make solid A-League players if they were not kiwis.  I'd say they would be in the upper half of the league  to be fair.

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I want to be cynical about the recent things the new coach has been saying. 

sooooooooooo much.....

but holding back here, holding back.

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Go on, don't hold back, because there is likely a 95 per cent chance you are correct

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