I've been thinking a bit about the future of the AWs on a reduced budget.
Next two years the All Whites, for all intents and purposes, are the U23 team. Spend all the money on the team for that tournamen.t Run the AWs over a 2 year programme rather than a 4 year programme after the Olympics in 2020.
Someone who knows more about the schedule will be able to pick holes in this, but if we have a limited pot of cash why not spend it at the pointy end only?
Danny Hay is a lot worse than Hudson.
In what way?
I've been thinking a bit about the future of the AWs on a reduced budget.
Next two years the All Whites, for all intents and purposes, are the U23 team. Spend all the money on the team for that tournamen.t Run the AWs over a 2 year programme rather than a 4 year programme after the Olympics in 2020.
Someone who knows more about the schedule will be able to pick holes in this, but if we have a limited pot of cash why not spend it at the pointy end only?
Has the 2020 U23 coach even been appointed yet?
Danny Hay is a lot worse than Hudson.
See post #1994... Chopah has spoken
I'd take Ramon - see what he has done with ACFC and has a reputation for getting the best out of players and developing young talent... plus he would cost the earth.
Candidates from within in NZ I reckon would be
Ramon
Danny Hay
Neil Emblem
Brett Angell
how do you make that out? OK he can be an idiot on the sideline (we used to call them characters) but his coaching ability is brilliant, he has basically had to build a new team each season at HBU and had bu55er all money to do it with, yet he has finished runners up and 4th and looks as if he has a team that will be there or thereabouts this season.
You’ve said it there, he can be a dick. If he was AW coach, I can see him pissing so many off that Dyer would end up being the best player available for selection.
can't see that, he's well like by players, Paul Ifill described him as the best coach he'd ever played under. After the incident in Wellington last season, his players were pretty quick to jump to his defence - if he was someone that pi55ed them off they would have just stayed silent
There is no way in the world that Angells PowerPoint game is going to impress the corporate muppets that now run the game in this country.
Another AWs player speaking well of Hudson. One that wasn’t always picked either. Still what would he know I guess
Ex Aw's or even current ones are most unlikely to say anything in the press regarding current coaches or past ones. It is more likely ( in fact you can guarantee it ) that they will voice their opinions to players in a social environment ( ie. pub or party )
Ex Aw's or even current ones are most unlikely to say anything in the press regarding current coaches or past ones. It is more likely ( in fact you can guarantee it ) that they will voice their opinions to players in a social environment ( ie. pub or party )
Or on half baked football forums
Ex Aw's or even current ones are most unlikely to say anything in the press regarding current coaches or past ones. It is more likely ( in fact you can guarantee it ) that they will voice their opinions to players in a social environment ( ie. pub or party )
Or on half baked football forums
I say see if Ramon will take a couple of years and do the Olympics then assess for the next World Cup qualifiers.
He could do ACFC at the same time.
I've been thinking a bit about the future of the AWs on a reduced budget.
Next two years the All Whites, for all intents and purposes, are the U23 team. Spend all the money on the team for that tournamen.t Run the AWs over a 2 year programme rather than a 4 year programme after the Olympics in 2020.
Someone who knows more about the schedule will be able to pick holes in this, but if we have a limited pot of cash why not spend it at the pointy end only?
I actually think this was one of Andy's bullet points in his first power point presentation (contact hours I believe was the terminology)
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
The post is, quite literally, not the target. A shot on target is either a goal, or is saved. There none of those from the All Whites in this match (though, as others have noted, Wood did have two that were ruled out for fouls).
anfony's definitely the man
he got us into the opposition half on several occasions. we had several genuine chances to create chances. we nearly almost qualified.
sign him up before we lose him to amateur football
Ange for the All Whites? Media speculation/suggestion.
Ange for the All Whites? Media speculation/suggestion.
His next football job will be with a club.
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
The post is, quite literally, not the target. A shot on target is either a goal, or is saved. There none of those from the All Whites in this match (though, as others have noted, Wood did have two that were ruled out for fouls).
Does it matter who saves the shot? if freekick hits wall is that on target?
I've been thinking a bit about the future of the AWs on a reduced budget.
Next two years the All Whites, for all intents and purposes, are the U23 team. Spend all the money on the team for that tournamen.t Run the AWs over a 2 year programme rather than a 4 year programme after the Olympics in 2020.
Someone who knows more about the schedule will be able to pick holes in this, but if we have a limited pot of cash why not spend it at the pointy end only?
Also, I don't think any player's feelings towards a manager are a particularly good proxy for how good they are at getting good results.
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
The post is, quite literally, not the target. A shot on target is either a goal, or is saved. There none of those from the All Whites in this match (though, as others have noted, Wood did have two that were ruled out for fouls).
anfony's definitely the man
he got us into the opposition half on several occasions. we had several genuine chances to create chances. we nearly almost qualified.
sign him up before we lose him to amateur football
But, but Bielsa...Harry Redknapp...Mourinho...
Ange for the All Whites? Media speculation/suggestion.
His next football job will be with a club.
NZ Football is the biggest old boys club going, isn't it?
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
The post is, quite literally, not the target. A shot on target is either a goal, or is saved. There none of those from the All Whites in this match (though, as others have noted, Wood did have two that were ruled out for fouls).
Also, I don't think any player's feelings towards a manager are a particularly good proxy for how good they are at getting good results.
Have you ever played a team sport? If you have you will have known, when you have had a good coach, and when you have had a sharkhouse one.
Players shouldn’t yes be the sole judge of a coach, but they are a very important one. No one on this forum, whether they rate Hudson or despise him, would come close to having the knowledge of Hudson’s coaching abilities as the actual AWs players of the last 3-4 years.
All of these guys are in pro football environments - some very high level - and will all have been exposed to good and bad gaffers. They will know whether AH was fit for the job or not. Now that he is highly likely leaving they (Brockie, Durante, Roux, Falloon etc) don’t have crawl up his arse if they don’t want to.
I give it one year before this forum is full of
god this new coach is sharkhouse, bring back anfony
Pretty much concur with what JD has said.
When Hudson came in he claimed “Our team will have a real emphasis on being positive going forward and makes the most of the qualities of the players available for selection”. But playing Wood as a target man really blunted up attacking wise. Almost all of his goals at club level are him poaching 6-9 yards from goals with balls coming in from wingers. Yet we played mostly with two up front with Rojas running off his shoulder. You could argue we were more defensive than Herbert was, and he was publicly panned for that at times. At least under Herbert’s team we create one or two shots a game. Arguably our attacking stocks his cycle are better than the 2010 cycle. Yet we look far worse.
Even looking back at Hudson’s record pre-All Whites, there is a pretty similar pattern. Defensively strongly, but poor attacking.
Real Maryland 2008 – 24 goals in 23 games
Real Maryland 2009 – 19 goals in 22 games
Newport 2010/11 – 18 goals in 6 games
Newport 2011/12 – 13 goals in 12 games
Bahrain U23s – 14 goals in 10 games
Bahrain – 6 goals in 12 games
NZ U23s – 8 goals in 4 games
NZ – 32 goals in 27 games
And off those 32 goals, 20 of them were scored against OFC nations either at home or at a neutral ground. We only scored 4 goals against OFC at their home ground (and only one once in those 4 games).
We never scored more than one goal against a non-OFC nation, and while sure we played some good sides, we should have been doing better against teams like Uzbekistan, China, Thailand, Myanmar, Oman and Belarus. We probably should have lost our only away win against a non-OFC.
So while on the face of it, he got us within 90 minutes from the WC, that really should be a par mark. 2-0 loss looks ok on the books (and wiki), but once you look at the entire circle, it’s all be pretty average. My real question is did he get more than you’d expect from the players at hand with the resources at hand. I don’t think he did.
Pretty decent analysis imo
That's a massive claim. There has been no evidence at all to suggest Gallop and Lowy are in any way smarter than that.
Absolute gold
I've been thinking a bit about the future of the AWs on a reduced budget.
Next two years the All Whites, for all intents and purposes, are the U23 team. Spend all the money on the team for that tournamen.t Run the AWs over a 2 year programme rather than a 4 year programme after the Olympics in 2020.
Someone who knows more about the schedule will be able to pick holes in this, but if we have a limited pot of cash why not spend it at the pointy end only?
Smart. I like this.
It'll be Danny Hay.
Next.
Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out Anthony and can you take that oxygen thief Martin with you please?
Oh dear
Never lost to OFC opposition.
An achievement for the ages that one.
Barely won against any of them either. Smug Twit.
Is that real?
It'll be Danny Hay.
no it won't be
