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Italy on the Road to Humiliation Again?

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almost 12 years ago

Just noticed Italy's very poor form the last nine months.

They only managed a 1-1 draw with Luxembourg this week and haven't won a game since September last year (seven games).

Results:

10 Sep 2013 Italy v Czech Republic W 2-1 FIFA World Cup
11 Oct 2013 Denmark v Italy D 2-2 FIFA World Cup
15 Oct 2013 Italy v Armenia D 2-2 FIFA World Cup
15 Nov 2013 Italy v Germany D 1-1 International
18 Nov 2013 Nigeria v Italy D 2-2 International
05 Mar 2014 Spain v Italy L 1-0 International
31 May 2014 Italy v Republic of Ireland D 0-0 International
04 Jun 2014 Italy v Luxembourg D 1-1 International

I think there are signs they may struggle again in their group and England and Uruguay, even Costa Rica, are certainly in with a chance...

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History

I think Italy have only lost twice in regular time in competitive matches in the last 4 years - a confeds cup group game against Brazil and the Euro final. Prandelli uses friendlies to experiment with tactics and combinations and doesn't seem to care about results unless there's something riding on the game: that game against Armenia was after Italy had already qualified so may as well have been a friendly. I'm a bit of an Italy fan so I'm a tad biased but I wouldn't read too much into that record.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 12 years ago

They're the sort of team that'll do just enough though. Some of those draws are ok results (eg Germany). One win and two draws in group will be enough, them it's knock out and that's their type of game. Can't say I'm confident in them but I'm certainly not writing them off.

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almost 12 years ago

I think Italy have only lost twice in regular time in competitive matches in the last 4 years - a confeds cup group game against Brazil and the Euro final. Prandelli uses friendlies to experiment with tactics and combinations and doesn't seem to care about results unless there's something riding on the game: that game against Armenia was after Italy had already qualified so may as well have been a friendly. I'm a bit of an Italy fan so I'm a tad biased but I wouldn't read too much into that record.

Good point - seems Italy has had an attitude for some time of not  being concerned about results in pre-World Cup friendlies:
"Gazzetta dello Sport’s front page borrowed a line from the Italian national anthem, demanding: "Dov'e la vittoria?” (“Where is the victory?”) Cesare Prandelli’s team have not won a game since September last year.

Italians, though, are used to seeing their team underperform in friendlies, and especially in the build-up to a major tournament. As TEAM Radio’s Mike Martignago pointed out on Twitterthe Azzurri have not won a World Cup warm-up game since 1998. Arrigo Sacchi’s Italy infamously lost to fourth-division Pontedera shortly before making their run to the final of USA 94."

However, I think it's been a mediocre period in Italy's national team history in 2013 and so far in 2014 (2011 - 2012 was a different matter with the good results in European Championship qualification and in the Euro Finals) .True, they were undefeated in World Cup qualifying, but it wasn't a strong group with the Czechs and Danes the only serious contenders and those not having strong teams:

http://int.soccerway.com/teams/italy/italy/1318/?ICID=TN_03_04_02

Overall Record 2013 - 2014 to date:

Won               Drew             Lost

7                      10                  4

The wins include San Marino and Malta; the draws Luxembourg, Haiti, Armenia and  Ireland (not a good Ireland side)

In the Confederations Cup last year, they had two wins in normal time in their five games: beat a struggling Mexico 1-0 and Japan 4-3.

But they conceded eight goals in their three group games, a lot by the usual parsimonious Azzurri standards.

Also the Italians have been hit by injuries to key players the last week:

Montolivo broke his leg in the Ireland friendly and Barzagli is under a cloud:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/italy/10882781/World-Cup-2014-Italy-wait-on-Andrea-Barzagli-injury-as-Cesare-Prandelli-stands-by-Mario-Balotelli.html

"Italy are facing an anxious wait to discover if their best defender, Andrea Barzagli, will be fit to face England in Manaus next Saturday

They wobbled against even the feeble attack of Luxembourg in Perugia without Barzagli who, as well as a fever, is understood to be suffering with an ankle injury. Despite Prandelli’s repeated protestations that Mario Balotelli is fully fit, club doctors at Inter Milan are also still believed to be concerned about his recent groin problem.

Italy have already been unbalanced by the loss of midfielder Riccardo Montolivo with a broken leg, forcing Prandelli to trial a 4-3-3 system on Wednesday rather than the usual 4-3-1-2. Several players admitted after the game that they still needed to adapt, while Prandelli was critical of some of his team’s long-ball tactics."

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 12 years ago

Italy's final warm-up game vs. Brazilian club Fluminense - LIVE Sommet Sport Monday 8.30 am

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Estádio Raulino de Oliveira

Fluminense currently second on the Brazilian Serie A table.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 12 years ago

Yes they are on the road to humiliation.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 12 years ago

draw gets them through... probably to play Colombia. 

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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almost 12 years ago

Mr Suarez might have something to say about that.

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almost 12 years ago

hopefully, coin in on Uruguay making quarter-finals.

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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almost 12 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Yes they are on the road to humiliation.

Someone in Group D certainly is...

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over 11 years ago

Two humiliations?

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Yes, question in the forum title answered - the Azzurri started with a hiss and a roar like a Ferrari F40 and in the end, rattled off like a Fiat 124...

But some improvement for Italy: May not have made it out of the group stage but some slight improvement on 2010, finishing second-to-last in their group instead of outright last in 2010.

Last time = worse than NZ

2014 = improved to as good as NZ in group position.

"Azzurri - We Aspire to Surpass New Zealand One Day..."


(1) FROM THIS:

The best Italian cars ever made - Ferrari F40

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Speed and style.


(2) ENDED LIKE THIS:


The worst Italian cars ever made - Fiat 124



Thin metal and no rust-proofing meant it leaked in the rain.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 11 years ago

Cool to be the benchmark for Italy

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Yes, question in the forum title answered - the Azzurri started with a hiss and a roar like a Ferrari F40 and in the end, rattled off like a Fiat 124...

But some improvement for Italy: May not have made it out of the group stage but some slight improvement on 2010, finishing second-to-last in their group instead of outright last in 2010.

Last time = worse than NZ

2014 = improved to as good as NZ in group position.

"Azzurri - We Aspire to Surpass New Zealand One Day..."


(1) FROM THIS:

The best Italian cars ever made - Ferrari F40

(

Speed and style.


(2) ENDED LIKE THIS:


The worst Italian cars ever made - Fiat 124



Thin metal and no rust-proofing meant it leaked in the rain.

Luckily, the Soviets bought a commercial licence in early seventies to build them at home and made it into a hugely improved product:

Otherwise known as the Lada.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 11 years ago

the Lada.

There was a far right cult here in Chch who had serious issues with this vehicle. Eg

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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over 11 years ago

I've spent a fair bit of time in Russia and tell you what there's plenty of those still running around (and Nivas) in pretty rugged conditions in the country side.

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over 11 years ago

Unlike Fiat 124 which is no longer made anywhere since the Mirafiori (131) supplanted it. My point exactly.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Pretty sure those original Ladas aren't made either.

There was a story where people were actually importing them back into Russia from Western Europe to use.

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over 11 years ago

NZ to hit the ground running 2018 in a vehicle all of their own making.....

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 11 years ago

foal30 wrote:

the Lada.

There was a far right cult here in Chch who had serious issues with this vehicle. Eg

Ha! I live in Christchurch too and remember them too - "Zenith Applied Philosophy." Eccentric but sinister right-wing nutters.

They decked out a Lada with slogans like "Russian slave labour car" and would park it in the Square.

They would "approach people on the street shouting about unions, or democracy, or bang on the roofs of Lada cars berating their owners for driving a communist car."

One of the more bizarre cults in the Western world. Lead by a chap called "John Ultimate" who had been kicked out of Scientology.

Totally controlled his daft followers and took all their money. Ran many businesses and scams around Chch.

Famously dodgy property developer David Henderson (he who sold millions of dollars of dud buildings to the City Council) was one of their leading lights. The Zappers had Henderson buy up fast food outlets around Chch and that's how he started his business career. Source of profit for John Ultimate.

Henderson a decade ago conned people into feeling sorry for him over some conflict with IRD and had some suckers make a feature film about him with the main guy from "Packed to the Rafters" playing him (former Chch actor Thomson).

The former ACT Party vice-president was also a member.

John Ultimate died in 2001 and his widow lived in a multi-million dollar apartment in the Heritage Hotel in the Square.

Many interesting details here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Applied_Philos...

Hilarious times:

 http://www.webcitation.org/5aUmAvO4Q

"The early years of the movement were wild times by all accounts. The founder, John Dalhoff, formerly of Golden Bay and whose parents were from Denmark, claimed to have mastery of the physical universe and at one time asserted he had absorbed a Wellington earthquake which would otherwise have cracked open containers hiding Soviets ready to take over the country. He expelled two followers whom he accused of being aliens. He called himself John Ultimate. His house at 193 Clyde Road was declared centre of the universe..

...Dalhoff would participate in the gatherings but only by way of an intercom. He had become morbidly obese and seemed to have an aversion to meeting people face to face although he would telephone adherents. The meetings continued for 10 years, during which time attendees did not see him once..."

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 11 years ago

^ I believe D Henderson still owns the prime apartment on Princes Wharf downtown Auckland, which he's had on the market for last coupla years - if you've got 10.5 mill handy anyone.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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