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Posted May 29, 2014 12:59 · last edited May 29, 2014 13:06

detoxin wrote:
newbyone wrote:




Comparing the Skill level in Football and rugby is like explaining why Apples are better than Oranges....  Both games are completely different requiring different skills. If you put Messi in Rugby would he be a Star???? No he wouldn't because his skill set is different.  Same with putting Dan Carter in Football. He might be good at some things but would never be a great player... If they had grown up playing the other game who knows where they would have got to (Messi might be hindered by his size though) I don't think you can say one requires more skills than the other.


Your last point is a good one, We all know someone that has played to a decent level in rugby meaning that we think it is relativly easy to make it in the game, Our media is largely Rugby focused (more football is starting to break out recently) meaning that most people probably don't even know about players like Ryan. What page of the paper was it?? Do people even watch the 6 o'clock news any more? With the increase of the Internet most people only read stories that interest them. so if they aren't interested in football they won't read about it.


Sorry if it's a bit long..


I live in Christchurch and can tell you Dan Carter loves football and has played both sports. He was quite a decent footballer actually.

Amusingly, as a young All Black he couldn't keep away from football and occasionally turned out in Mainland Div. 2 for Nomads United, one of the major Christchurch clubs. He preferred to play football in his spare time and never turned out for his own rugby club.

This story attracted attention around the world, especially in Britain:

https://www.google.co.nz/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1AFAB_enNZ468NZ468&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dan%20carter%20played%20soccer%20nomads

http://forum.leinsterfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2272

"Regulars at the Nomads club have known for some time that Carter has made up the numbers in a friend's team. 


One player in the team, who did not want to be named, said Carter had plenty of natural ability. "He's big, strong and fast." 

In his last appearance a few weeks ago, Carter put in a handy cross that resulted in a goal, but his team-mate did not think the All Black should "change his day job" just yet. "

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On the second point, we've been lucky in Christchurch to have editors at the the local paper the Press who have been pro-football such as former All White and National League player (now Radio NZ CEO) Paul Thompson and Dutch immigrant Coen Lammers, formerly a football reporter in the Netherlands.

That other Ryan, Ryan Nelsen was actually often on the front page of the Press newspaper with news of him playing at Blackburn, and the 2010 All Whites were often on the front page here too. 

That signaled a major cultural / sporting shift here in Canterbury.

Football reporter Tony Smith has been the senior sports journalist on the Press for some years now. Dutchman Coen Lammers was sports editor for a while and then became Deputy Editor of the paper.

Lammers is now editor of the Ashburton Guardian in Mid-Canterbury.

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Big Pete 65 edited May 29, 2014 13:06
detoxin wrote:
newbyone wrote:




Comparing the Skill level in Football and rugby is like explaining why Apples are better than Oranges....  Both games are completely different requiring different skills. If you put Messi in Rugby would he be a Star???? No he wouldn't because his skill set is different.  Same with putting Dan Carter in Football. He might be good at some things but would never be a great player... If they had grown up playing the other game who knows where they would have got to (Messi might be hindered by his size though) I don't think you can say one requires more skills than the other.


Your last point is a good one, We all know someone that has played to a decent level in rugby meaning that we think it is relativly easy to make it in the game, Our media is largely Rugby focused (more football is starting to break out recently) meaning that most people probably don't even know about players like Ryan. What page of the paper was it?? Do people even watch the 6 o'clock news any more? With the increase of the Internet most people only read stories that interest them. so if they aren't interested in football they won't read about it.


Sorry if it's a bit long..


I live in Christchurch and can tell you Dan Carter loves football and has played both sports. He was quite a decent footballer actually.

Amusingly, as a young All Black he couldn't keep away from football and occasionally turned out in Mainland Div. 2 for Nomads United, one of the major Christchurch clubs. He preferred to play football in his spare time and never turned out for his own rugby club.

This story attracted attention around the world, especially in Britain:

https://www.google.co.nz/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1AFAB_enNZ468NZ468&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dan%20carter%20played%20soccer%20nomads

http://forum.leinsterfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2272

"Regulars at the Nomads club have known for some time that Carter has made up the numbers in a friend's team. 


One player in the team, who did not want to be named, said Carter had plenty of natural ability. "He's big, strong and fast." 

In his last appearance a few weeks ago, Carter put in a handy cross that resulted in a goal, but his team-mate did not think the All Black should "change his day job" just yet. "

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

On the second point, we've been lucky in Christchurch to have editors at the the local paper the Press who have been pro-football such as former All White and National League player (now Radio NZ CEO) Paul Thompson and Dutch immigrant Coen Lammers, formerly a football reporter in the Netherlands.

That other Ryan, Ryan Nelsen was actually often on the front page of the Press newspaper with news of him playing at Blackburn, and the 2010 all Whites were often on the front page here too. 

That signaled a major cultural / sporting shift here in Canterbury.

Football reporter Tony Smith has been the senior sports journalist on the Press for some years now. Dutchman Coen Lammers was sports editor for a while and then became Deputy Editor of the paper.

Lammers is now editor of the Ashburton Guardian in Mid-Canterbury.

Big Pete 65 edited May 29, 2014 13:03
detoxin wrote:
newbyone wrote:

It is a sad reality but I doubt Football will ever surpass rugby in NZ because Rugby have such a big hold on the media here. Couple that with the fact that we are probably the best Rugby Nation in the world (or touted as the best) then the chances of Football ever getting a fair share of the media or public will never happen (at least not in my life time).

I have a lot of friends who wouldn't know the first thing about football and who (I can't believe this) think it is boring. I often argue with them that the skill level to play football is so much more than rugby or league, but I may as well talk to a brick wall.

Maybe one day we might produce a player who will make the likes of Manchester United or Barcelona, then that might really lift the game of Football in NZ. 

It is so sad that a lot of these rugby people have no idea what an achievement it is for a lad from NZ to make a good professional team overseas or the money that is in football in comparison to rugby or league - if they did then maybe they would take some notice.


I don't know why it always has to be or the other. We are a rugby country and football will never take over, but that doesn't mean that football can't become popular as well. If someone came up to you and dissed football before trying to tell you how good squash (or any sport) would you listen? No you wouldn't because you are defensive about the game you like first and foremost meaning you aren't willing to listen to other opinions.


A lot of Rugby people haven't s. at through a full game of football while having at least the basic ideas of the rules. it is too often that it becomes Rugby v Football so by liking Rugby you almost have to hate Football or vice versa. Coming from my perspective i told my parents that i wanted to play rugby at about 7 years old. My parents were worried about my size so suggested football, saying that if i didn't like it i could play rugby. Naturally after 1　week i hated football, and continued to hate it until one of my good friends (who loved Football) got me to play and watch some games. Now i love both. It is this attitude that needs to change for Football to become really popular amongst the masses. The diving does have some effect as well being that we celebrate hard men like Buck.


Comparing the Skill level in Football and rugby is like explaining why Apples are better than Oranges....  Both games are completely different requiring different skills. If you put Messi in Rugby would he be a Star???? No he wouldn't because his skill set is different.  Same with putting Dan Carter in Football. He might be good at some things but would never be a great player... If they had grown up playing the other game who knows where they would have got to (Messi might be hindered by his size though) I don't think you can say one requires more skills than the other.


Your last point is a good one, We all know someone that has played to a decent level in rugby meaning that we think it is relativly easy to make it in the game, Our media is largely Rugby focused (more football is starting to break out recently) meaning that most people probably don't even know about players like Ryan. What page of the paper was it?? Do people even watch the 6 o'clock news any more? With the increase of the Internet most people only read stories that interest them. so if they aren't interested in football they won't read about it.


Sorry if it's a bit long..


I live in Christchurch and can tell you Dan Carter loves football and has played both sports. He was quite a decent footballer actually.
Amusingly, as a young All Black he couldn't keep away from football and occasionally turned out in Mainland Div. 2 for Nomads United, one of the major Christchurch clubs. He preferred to play football in his spare time and never turned out for his own rugby club.
This story attracted attention around the world, especially in Britain:
"Regulars at the Nomads club have known for some time that Carter has made up the numbers in a friend's team. 

One player in the team, who did not want to be named, said Carter had plenty of natural ability. "He's big, strong and fast." 

In his last appearance a few weeks ago, Carter put in a handy cross that resulted in a goal, but his team-mate did not think the All Black should "change his day job" just yet. "
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
On the second point, we've been lucky in Christchurch to have editors at the the local paper the Press who have been pro-football such as former All White and National League player (now Radio NZ CEO) Paul Thompson and Dutch immigrant Coen Lammers, formerly a football reporter in the Netherlands.
Ryan Nelsen was actually often on the front page of the Press newspaper with news of him playing at Blackburn, and the 2010 all Whites were often on the front page here too. 
Football reporter Tony Smith has been the senior sports journalist on the Press for some years now. Dutchman Coen Lammers was sports editor for a while and then became Deputy Editor of the paper.