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Posted November 25, 2019 21:26 · last edited November 25, 2019 21:36

LSA2SB wrote:

I think you under estimate how big football (Soccer) is getting in the states though, they are expanding at a good rate. Starting with 10 teams in 1996, they seem to have learnt from trying to expand in the 90/00s when they lost Tampa, Miami and Chivas and are now adding teams carefully with a good base and finances, going from Toronto in 2007, San Jose in 2008, Seattle in 2009, Philadelphia in 2010, Vancouver and Portland in 2011, Montreal in 2012, New York and Orlando in 2015, Atlanta and Minnesota in 2017, Los Angeles in 2018 and lastly Cincinnati in 2019. They also have plans to bring in Miami, Nashville, Austin, St Louis and Sacramento in the coming years.

They appear to have finally got a decent 2nd division running in the USL Championship with a lot of the teams having an MLS affiliate club or are also owned by the MLS club in their region.

Along with their regular season, they have their cup competitions and teams take part in the CONCACAF Champions league. They regularly have pre-season friendlies against European teams as well as host games when it comes to the International Champions Cup.

They have been attracting high profile players for years now. Sure for a lot of the stars, its a bit of seeing out the end of their career but going from Beckham and Thierry Henry to Rooney and Zlatan, the profile of the league is bigger than ever and I don't believe can be compared to what it used to be in terms of player pathways. There is an increasing appetite in the US for football.

Now not to say all of the above means it is necessarily the right choice for Bell but I think people still under estimate the competition because its America.

yeah definitely true, you can see that with Steffen and Almiron going to the EPL this year. However those guys were absolute stars in the league, and Almiron's the only senior player in the last couple years who's gone from MLS to EPL without being part of the whole CFG clusterfudge. Other notable players such as Doneil Henry and Jack Harrison who have come over from the US in the last 10 years have flopped, partly because people had actually given them too much credit for performing in the MLS, with the idea that the MLS is underrated.

It's much easier to get noticed in a league like the Eliteserien - easier for Euro clubs to send scouts over, European competition exposure, no convoluted MLS contract rules interfering with transfers, cheaper transfer fees, and many clubs will find the Norwegian style of football more comparable to the current MLS way of "play it through your star man".

Teams from Euro countries, especially Belgium, Netherlands and Germany, are picking up far, far more Scandinavian-based players than US-based. For me and hopefully for Bell, it's a no-brainer

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Unknown editor edited November 25, 2019 21:36
LSA2SB wrote:

I think you under estimate how big football (Soccer) is getting in the states though, they are expanding at a good rate. Starting with 10 teams in 1996, they seem to have learnt from trying to expand in the 90/00s when they lost Tampa, Miami and Chivas and are now adding teams carefully with a good base and finances, going from Toronto in 2007, San Jose in 2008, Seattle in 2009, Philadelphia in 2010, Vancouver and Portland in 2011, Montreal in 2012, New York and Orlando in 2015, Atlanta and Minnesota in 2017, Los Angeles in 2018 and lastly Cincinnati in 2019. They also have plans to bring in Miami, Nashville, Austin, St Louis and Sacramento in the coming years.

They appear to have finally got a decent 2nd division running in the USL Championship with a lot of the teams having an MLS affiliate club or are also owned by the MLS club in their region.

Along with their regular season, they have their cup competitions and teams take part in the CONCACAF Champions league. They regularly have pre-season friendlies against European teams as well as host games when it comes to the International Champions Cup.

They have been attracting high profile players for years now. Sure for a lot of the stars, its a bit of seeing out the end of their career but going from Beckham and Thierry Henry to Rooney and Zlatan, the profile of the league is bigger than ever and I don't believe can be compared to what it used to be in terms of player pathways. There is an increasing appetite in the US for football.

Now not to say all of the above means it is necessarily the right choice for Bell but I think people still under estimate the competition because its America.

yeah definitely true, you can see that with Steffen and Almiron going to the EPL this year. However those guys were absolute stars in the league, and Almiron's the only senior player in the last couple years who's gone from MLS to EPL without being part of the whole CFG clusterfudge. Other notable players such as Doneil Henry and Jack Harrison who have come over from the US in the last 10 years have flopped, partly because people had actually given them too much credit for performing in the MLS.

It's much easier to get noticed in a league like the Eliteserien - easier for Euro clubs to send scouts over, European competition exposure, no convoluted MLS contract rules interfering with transfers, cheaper transfer fees, and many clubs will find the Norwegian style of football more comparable to the current MLS way of "play it through your star man".

Teams from Euro countries, especially Belgium, Netherlands and Germany, are picking up far, far more Scandinavian-based players than US-based. For me and hopefully for Bell, it's a no-brainer

Unknown editor edited November 25, 2019 21:34
LSA2SB wrote:

I think you under estimate how big football (Soccer) is getting in the states though, they are expanding at a good rate. Starting with 10 teams in 1996, they seem to have learnt from trying to expand in the 90/00s when they lost Tampa, Miami and Chivas and are now adding teams carefully with a good base and finances, going from Toronto in 2007, San Jose in 2008, Seattle in 2009, Philadelphia in 2010, Vancouver and Portland in 2011, Montreal in 2012, New York and Orlando in 2015, Atlanta and Minnesota in 2017, Los Angeles in 2018 and lastly Cincinnati in 2019. They also have plans to bring in Miami, Nashville, Austin, St Louis and Sacramento in the coming years.

They appear to have finally got a decent 2nd division running in the USL Championship with a lot of the teams having an MLS affiliate club or are also owned by the MLS club in their region.

Along with their regular season, they have their cup competitions and teams take part in the CONCACAF Champions league. They regularly have pre-season friendlies against European teams as well as host games when it comes to the International Champions Cup.

They have been attracting high profile players for years now. Sure for a lot of the stars, its a bit of seeing out the end of their career but going from Beckham and Thierry Henry to Rooney and Zlatan, the profile of the league is bigger than ever and I don't believe can be compared to what it used to be in terms of player pathways. There is an increasing appetite in the US for football.

Now not to say all of the above means it is necessarily the right choice for Bell but I think people still under estimate the competition because its America.

yeah definitely true, you can see that with Steffen and Almiron going to the EPL this year. However those guys were absolute stars in the league, and Almiron's the only senior player in the last couple years who's gone from MLS to EPL without being part of the whole CFG clusterfudge. Other notable players such as Doneil Henry and Jack Harrison who have come over from the US in the last 10 years have flopped, partly because people had actually given them too much credit for performing in the MLS.

It's much easier to get noticed in a league like the Eliteserien - easier for Euro clubs to send scouts over, European competition exposure, no convoluted MLS contract rules interfering with transfers, cheaper transfer fees, and many clubs will find the Norwegian style of football more comparable to the current MLS way of "play it through your star man".

Far, far more teams from countries like Belgium, Netherlands and Germany are picking up Scandinavian-based players than US-based. For me and hopefully for him, it's a no-brainer

Unknown editor edited November 25, 2019 21:32
LSA2SB wrote:

I think you under estimate how big football (Soccer) is getting in the states though, they are expanding at a good rate. Starting with 10 teams in 1996, they seem to have learnt from trying to expand in the 90/00s when they lost Tampa, Miami and Chivas and are now adding teams carefully with a good base and finances, going from Toronto in 2007, San Jose in 2008, Seattle in 2009, Philadelphia in 2010, Vancouver and Portland in 2011, Montreal in 2012, New York and Orlando in 2015, Atlanta and Minnesota in 2017, Los Angeles in 2018 and lastly Cincinnati in 2019. They also have plans to bring in Miami, Nashville, Austin, St Louis and Sacramento in the coming years.

They appear to have finally got a decent 2nd division running in the USL Championship with a lot of the teams having an MLS affiliate club or are also owned by the MLS club in their region.

Along with their regular season, they have their cup competitions and teams take part in the CONCACAF Champions league. They regularly have pre-season friendlies against European teams as well as host games when it comes to the International Champions Cup.

They have been attracting high profile players for years now. Sure for a lot of the stars, its a bit of seeing out the end of their career but going from Beckham and Thierry Henry to Rooney and Zlatan, the profile of the league is bigger than ever and I don't believe can be compared to what it used to be in terms of player pathways. There is an increasing appetite in the US for football.

Now not to say all of the above means it is necessarily the right choice for Bell but I think people still under estimate the competition because its America.

yeah definitely true, you can see that with Steffen and Almiron going to the EPL this year. However those guys were absolute stars in the league, and Almiron's the only senior player in the last couple years who's gone from MLS to EPL without being part of the whole CFG clusterfudge. 

It's much easier to get noticed in a league like the Eliteserien - easier for Euro clubs to send scouts over, European competition exposure, no convoluted MLS contract rules interfering with transfers, cheaper transfer fees, and many clubs will find the Norwegian style of football more comparable to the current MLS way of "play it through your star man".

Far, far more teams from countries like Belgium, Netherlands and Germany are picking up Scandinavian-based players than US-based. For me and hopefully for him, it's a no-brainer

Unknown editor edited November 25, 2019 21:30
LSA2SB wrote:

I think you under estimate how big football (Soccer) is getting in the states though, they are expanding at a good rate. Starting with 10 teams in 1996, they seem to have learnt from trying to expand in the 90/00s when they lost Tampa, Miami and Chivas and are now adding teams carefully with a good base and finances, going from Toronto in 2007, San Jose in 2008, Seattle in 2009, Philadelphia in 2010, Vancouver and Portland in 2011, Montreal in 2012, New York and Orlando in 2015, Atlanta and Minnesota in 2017, Los Angeles in 2018 and lastly Cincinnati in 2019. They also have plans to bring in Miami, Nashville, Austin, St Louis and Sacramento in the coming years.

They appear to have finally got a decent 2nd division running in the USL Championship with a lot of the teams having an MLS affiliate club or are also owned by the MLS club in their region.

Along with their regular season, they have their cup competitions and teams take part in the CONCACAF Champions league. They regularly have pre-season friendlies against European teams as well as host games when it comes to the International Champions Cup.

They have been attracting high profile players for years now. Sure for a lot of the stars, its a bit of seeing out the end of their career but going from Beckham and Thierry Henry to Rooney and Zlatan, the profile of the league is bigger than ever and I don't believe can be compared to what it used to be in terms of player pathways. There is an increasing appetite in the US for football.

Now not to say all of the above means it is necessarily the right choice for Bell but I think people still under estimate the competition because its America.

yeah definitely true, you can see that with Steffen and Almiron going to the EPL this year. However it's much easier to get noticed in a league like the Eliteserien - easier for Euro clubs to send scouts over, European competition exposure, no convoluted MLS contract rules interfering with transfers, cheaper transfer fees, and many clubs will find the Norwegian style of football more comparable to the current MLS way of "play it through your star man".

Far, far more teams from countries like Belgium, Netherlands and Germany are picking up Scandinavian-based players than US-based. For me and hopefully for him, it's a no-brainer

Unknown editor edited November 25, 2019 21:28
LSA2SB wrote:

I think you under estimate how big football (Soccer) is getting in the states though, they are expanding at a good rate. Starting with 10 teams in 1996, they seem to have learnt from trying to expand in the 90/00s when they lost Tampa, Miami and Chivas and are now adding teams carefully with a good base and finances, going from Toronto in 2007, San Jose in 2008, Seattle in 2009, Philadelphia in 2010, Vancouver and Portland in 2011, Montreal in 2012, New York and Orlando in 2015, Atlanta and Minnesota in 2017, Los Angeles in 2018 and lastly Cincinnati in 2019. They also have plans to bring in Miami, Nashville, Austin, St Louis and Sacramento in the coming years.

They appear to have finally got a decent 2nd division running in the USL Championship with a lot of the teams having an MLS affiliate club or are also owned by the MLS club in their region.

Along with their regular season, they have their cup competitions and teams take part in the CONCACAF Champions league. They regularly have pre-season friendlies against European teams as well as host games when it comes to the International Champions Cup.

They have been attracting high profile players for years now. Sure for a lot of the stars, its a bit of seeing out the end of their career but going from Beckham and Thierry Henry to Rooney and Zlatan, the profile of the league is bigger than ever and I don't believe can be compared to what it used to be in terms of player pathways. There is an increasing appetite in the US for football.

Now not to say all of the above means it is necessarily the right choice for Bell but I think people still under estimate the competition because its America.

yeah definitely true, you can see that with Steffen and Almiron going to the EPL this year. However it's much easier to get noticed in a league like the Eliteserein - easier for Euro clubs to send scouts over, European competition exposure, no convoluted MLS contract rules interfering with transfers, and many clubs will find the Norwegian style of football more comparable to the current MLS way of "play it through your star man". For me and hopefully for him, it's a no-brainer

Unknown editor edited November 25, 2019 21:26
LSA2SB wrote:

I think you under estimate how big football (Soccer) is getting in the states though, they are expanding at a good rate. Starting with 10 teams in 1996, they seem to have learnt from trying to expand in the 90/00s when they lost Tampa, Miami and Chivas and are now adding teams carefully with a good base and finances, going from Toronto in 2007, San Jose in 2008, Seattle in 2009, Philadelphia in 2010, Vancouver and Portland in 2011, Montreal in 2012, New York and Orlando in 2015, Atlanta and Minnesota in 2017, Los Angeles in 2018 and lastly Cincinnati in 2019. They also have plans to bring in Miami, Nashville, Austin, St Louis and Sacramento in the coming years.

They appear to have finally got a decent 2nd division running in the USL Championship with a lot of the teams having an MLS affiliate club or are also owned by the MLS club in their region.

Along with their regular season, they have their cup competitions and teams take part in the CONCACAF Champions league. They regularly have pre-season friendlies against European teams as well as host games when it comes to the International Champions Cup.

They have been attracting high profile players for years now. Sure for a lot of the stars, its a bit of seeing out the end of their career but going from Beckham and Thierry Henry to Rooney and Zlatan, the profile of the league is bigger than ever and I don't believe can be compared to what it used to be in terms of player pathways. There is an increasing appetite in the US for football.

Now not to say all of the above means it is necessarily the right choice for Bell but I think people still under estimate the competition because its America.

yeah definitely true, you can see that with Steffen and Almiron going to the EPL this year. However it's much easier to get noticed in a league like the Eliteserein - easier for Euro clubs to send scouts over, European competition exposure, no convoluted MLS contract rules interfering with transfers, and many clubs will find the Norwegian style of football more comparable to the current MLS way of "play it through your star man".