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Whitecaps II (3rd in the West) travel to Minnesota II (11th). Kiwi Cameron Knowles in charge of Minny II.

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/06/19/united-states/mls-next-pro/minnesota-united-ii/whitecaps-fc-ii/4053421/
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No Linder or Jay Herdman in a 2-0 loss for Whitecaps II. 
20 yr old Zaydan Bello, who played 4 games for the VUC 2 seasons ago, with 82 mins for Minny II.

Pity that Knowles hasn't managed to bring any young Kiwis across for a shot at Minny's 2nd team.

June 19, 2023 13:26 · Edited June 19, 2023 13:27
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No Linder or Jay Herdman in a 2-0 loss for Whitecaps II. 
20 yr old Zaydan Bello, who played 4 games for the VUC 2 seasons ago, with 82 mins for Minny II.

Pity that Knowles hasn't managed to bring any young Kiwis across for a shot at Minny's 2nd team.

With Gregg Berhalter getting re-signed as USMNT coach, Vancouver now have the sons of both the Canadian and US men's sides head coaches signed as players. 22-year-old Sebastian Berhalter is a first team player, but if they do occasionally train together or see each other around, might be some banter and/or sympathy to the possibly awkward existence of being a pro player son of the national team coach. 

USA beat Canada 2-0 in the CONCACAF Nations' League final this afternoon, though Berhalter senior was not yet coach. Herdman senior's appreciation as Canada head coach looks to be waning and the table-topping qualifying campaign is rapidly getting further away in the rear view mirror; fair bit of criticism of him on Twitter. Maybe the two juniors can relate to their fathers being maligned NT coaches as well.
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NZF not the only national body finding it hard out there, to upgrade from what they already had. Hay to return? Won't happen but I'd be fine if it did pan out that way.

Gregg Matthew Berhalter (born August 1, 1973) is an American soccer coach and former player who is the head coach of the United States men's national soccer team. [2] He originally served in the role from 2018 to 2022; following the expiration of his contract, U.S. Soccer employed interim head coaches before rehiring him to the post on June 16, 2023. 
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Dyer 74 mins (4-0) in a 4-0 loss at Memphis. As of yet not really happening for Tulsa (11th/2nd last in the East) or Dyer (2 goals in 16 games) this USL season.

Musa an unused sub for CS in a 1-0 loss.

3 Kiwis getting regular USL mins this season to date. Collier, Kyle Adams & Wynne. To a lesser extent Dyer & Zwetsloot. Perhaps no coincidence the first 3 have made the AWs from the USL the last few seasons.

Brady an unused sub for Chattanooga in a 5-1 loss.


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coochiee
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Dyer 74 mins (4-0) in a 4-0 loss at Memphis. As of yet not really happening for Tulsa (11th/2nd last in the East) or Dyer (2 goals in 16 games) this USL season.

Musa an unused sub for CS in a 1-0 loss.

3 Kiwis getting regular USL mins this season to date. Collier, Kyle Adams & Wynne. To a lesser extent Dyer & Zwetsloot. Perhaps no coincidence the first 3 have made the AWs from the USL the last few seasons.

Brady an unused sub for Chattanooga in a 5-1 loss.


To be fair to Moses, he's played 981 minutes this season to Collier's 597. Tulsa have also only played one more game than San Diego so far. SD are performing better though - ten points more after their fifteen games - though only beat Tulsa 2-1 courtesy of a 90+4' own goal. Individually Dyer has two non-penalty goals and two assists, to Collier's one goal and two assists (both coming in the same game). Dyer playing as a centre-forward is probably his best bet at getting an international re-call, though Bevan is probably above him, just behind the current crop.

Also, a bit of deja vu (potentially) for Dyer in today's game. Emerson Hyndman scored for Memphis, just as he did in another 4-0 win back in 2015 when his USA U20s beat Dyer's NZ side at North Harbour. Both started that game and this game. Hyndman had 25 Championship appearances at Fulham by the age of 20, a senior international debut at 18, had a couple SPFL loans to Rangers (where he was their YPOTY) and Hibernian, and two Prem appearances with Bournemouth in 2018. He spent the last couple years at Atlanta Utd in MLS, but was getting ever less minutes - only 282 last year - so mutually terminated and dropped down to USLC.

I think Wynne and Adams could feel a bit hard done by not being picked for the two games, though as eventuated they wouldn't have played. I'd have had them ahead of Surman and De Vries given USLC is a fair bit higher than the local leagues those two are playing in. Perhaps they were told they wouldn't play much behind Cacace and Boxall/Tuiloma/Pijnaker/Smith but are (hopefully) very much not forgotten, and that missing a club match each wouldn't be worth the maximum 30 minutes they might've received in the Qatar game.
June 22, 2023 17:31
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Dyer 74 mins (4-0) in a 4-0 loss at Memphis. As of yet not really happening for Tulsa (11th/2nd last in the East) or Dyer (2 goals in 16 games) this USL season.

Musa an unused sub for CS in a 1-0 loss.

3 Kiwis getting regular USL mins this season to date. Collier, Kyle Adams & Wynne. To a lesser extent Dyer & Zwetsloot. Perhaps no coincidence the first 3 have made the AWs from the USL the last few seasons.

Brady an unused sub for Chattanooga in a 5-1 loss.


To be fair to Moses, he's played 981 minutes this season to Collier's 597. Tulsa have also only played one more game than San Diego so far. SD are performing better though - ten points more after their fifteen games - though only beat Tulsa 2-1 courtesy of a 90+4' own goal. Individually Dyer has two non-penalty goals and two assists, to Collier's one goal and two assists (both coming in the same game). Dyer playing as a centre-forward is probably his best bet at getting an international re-call, though Bevan is probably above him, just behind the current crop.

Also, a bit of deja vu (potentially) for Dyer in today's game. Emerson Hyndman scored for Memphis, just as he did in another 4-0 win back in 2015 when his USA U20s beat Dyer's NZ side at North Harbour. Both started that game and this game. Hyndman had 25 Championship appearances at Fulham by the age of 20, a senior international debut at 18, had a couple SPFL loans to Rangers (where he was their YPOTY) and Hibernian, and two Prem appearances with Bournemouth in 2018. He spent the last couple years at Atlanta Utd in MLS, but was getting ever less minutes - only 282 last year - so mutually terminated and dropped down to USLC.

I think Wynne and Adams could feel a bit hard done by not being picked for the two games, though as eventuated they wouldn't have played. I'd have had them ahead of Surman and De Vries given USLC is a fair bit higher than the local leagues those two are playing in. Perhaps they were told they wouldn't play much behind Cacace and Boxall/Tuiloma/Pijnaker/Smith but are (hopefully) very much not forgotten, and that missing a club match each wouldn't be worth the maximum 30 minutes they might've received in the Qatar game.
I was personally disappointed how weak we were up front with hold up play against Sweden. We couldn’t hold the ball. It couldn’t hurt Waine and Mata to know their positions weren’t theirs of right. I’m not sure Dyer and Bevan are better, but the gap isn’t so vast and perhaps the AWs call up might be the career or personal boost they need. Who knows? But yeah overall Tulsa don’t seem the winning unit Dyer’s last club were and he hasn’t yet made that difference.

Whereas Boxall and Tuiloma should be better on paper than Adams. Perhaps Smith too, but he’s struggled to get game time recently. 

But with the others as well those sub/bench spots are open and there should be plenty of competition for them. Hopefully by players improving and graduating to playing at a higher level rather than having a lot of players floating around USL/LOI/lower Scandinavian leagues…
Interesting question is if the A league is better than the USL or LOI. You’d say so usually I guess, especially higher up the table…
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coochiee
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Seems a type of consensus the ALM sits in between the MLS & USL. There are a few ex ALM players floating around the USL & Canadian CPL.

It's a bit off to call de Vries a NZ domestic player. He was good enough to be a regular starter (even captain) of a lower table club in the Swedish top tier. He's obviously someone (rightly or wrongly) that the AWs coaching setup rate highly. Hopefully he's now fully over his knee injury.

Yeah agree Dyer & Bevan are probably not that far off Waine & Mata. But in Europe you are far more on the radar than in Nth America. Everyone seems to think Waine has the greatest upside. His career through the Nix has certainly been more of a consistent upward trend. The other 3 have all almost disappeared (Norway, South Africa, Estonia) at certain times. But really the striker backups for 2026 are still wide open.

June 22, 2023 19:27 · Edited June 22, 2023 19:27
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Brotherton an unused sub as Forward Madison (2nd) beat Lexington (9th), 3-2.

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Whitecaps II (3rd in the West) lose 1-3 to LAFC II (14th/last).
No Linder or Herdman.

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Collier & Adams (full game) both start for San Diego as Pittsburgh win 2-1. Zwetsloot on at 74 mins (1-1) for Pittsburgh. Collier off at 61 mins (SD up 1-0).

Charleston lose 3-2. Full game Wynne. No Randall.

Colorado Springs lose 2-1. Musa on at 57 mins, CS down 2-0.

Chattanooga 2-2 draw. No Brady.
June 25, 2023 23:09
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USL League One
Brotherton's Forward Madison (4th) travel to Tormenta (9th)
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/06/29/united-states/usl-league-one/tormenta/forward-madison/4017087/
June 28, 2023 09:21
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Terrible news for youngster Jay Herdman, looks like he's going to be out for a while with a serious knee injury.

June 29, 2023 10:04
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Brotherton on the bench with Forward Madison (4th) away at Tormenta (9th).
Edit - unused sub in a 1-0 win.

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Charleston (1st in the East) lead 10 man Loudon (8th) 3-0. Send off at 41 mins (1-0). Wynne starting. Randall on the bench

Edit - finishes 3-0. Randall gets on at 76 mins (3-0). Full game Wynne.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/01/united-states/mls-reserve-league/charleston-battery/loudoun-united/4015774/

Dyer starting as Tulsa Roughnecks (11th in the East) host Detroit City (9th). Tulsa 1-0 up at mins. Goal a pen, and unlike Canada Dyer ain't on pens it seems at Tulsa.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/01/united-states/mls-reserve-league/tulsa-roughnecks/detroit-city/4015775/

Edit - Tulsa come back from being 2-1 down to win 3-2. Dyer with the assist for Tulsa's 2nd goal & off at 92 mins (3-2).

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Zwetsloot on the bench for Pittsburgh.
Edit - Zwetsloot on in 89th min in a 0-0 draw.

Adams starting for San Diego, who lead 2-1 after 70 mins. Collier came on at HT (SD up 1-0). Indy down to 10 men from 58 mins (2-0).
Edit - 10 men Indy came back from 2-0 down, with 2 pens in a 2-2 draw. Disappointing for San Diego & their Kiwis.

Musa starting for Colorado Springs.
Edit - full game Musa in a 2-0 win.

Brady on the bench for Chattanooga.
Edit - Brady an unused sub in a 2-0 loss.

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Vancouver II travel to Kansas City II.
Sounds like Jay Herdman will be out for awhile, a long time if it's his ACL

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/03/united-states/mls-next-pro/swope-park-rangers/whitecaps-fc-ii/4053446/
July 02, 2023 23:37
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No Herman or Finn Linder for Whitecaps II. 
Linder hasn't featured since U20 WC.
July 03, 2023 11:32
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Have we ever had a top AM/wing prospect not ravaged by serious injury in their first couple seasons? Rojas, Thomas, Singh, Jay…
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Good game for both to miss.



July 03, 2023 13:19
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Have we ever had a top AM/wing prospect not ravaged by serious injury in their first couple seasons? Rojas, Thomas, Singh, Jay…

Thomas's early career was pretty injury free. 

I'd add the forgotten Henry Cameron though. Debuted with Blackpool in The Championship in 2015 when they were relegated but he got 11 games & a goal. Awarded the club's award for its top youth player that season. Who knows how he may have gone if not doing his ACL on debut for the AWs in 2017 in Oman.
July 03, 2023 13:24
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Musa starting. 1 of 3 CBs.

Edit - full game in a 4-0 win.
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USL Championship
San Diego (7th in the West) travel to Hartford Athletic (12th in the East). See that a San Diego franchise is to join the MLS in 2025.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/united-states/mls-reserve-league/hartford-athletic/san-diego-loyal/4015789/

Pittsburgh (2nd in the East) host Sacramento Republic (1st in the West)
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/united-states/mls-reserve-league/pittsburgh-riverhounds/sacramento-republic/4015796/

USL League One
Chattanooga Red Wolves (11th) host Northern Colorado (2nd)
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/united-states/usl-league-one/chattanooga-red-wolves/northern-colorado/4017094/

Forward Madison (3rd) host Central Valley Fuego (12th)
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/united-states/usl-league-one/forward-madison/central-valley-fuego/4017097/

MLS Next Pro
Whitecaps II (3rd in the West) host Colorado Rapids II (1st)
23 yr old Calvin Harris has been playing for Rapids II of late, and has netted 4 goals in this development comp. Shame it hasn't really worked for him so far in the MLS. Kid is a talent.

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/08/united-states/mls-next-pro/whitecaps-fc-ii/denver/4053455/
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Adams & Collier on the bench for San Diego.
Edit - San Diego win 2-0. Collier on at 78 mins (2-0) and Adams on just after at 83 mins.

No Zwetsloot for Pittsburgh.
Edit - Pittsburgh with a 0-0 draw

No Brady for Chattanooga who draw 1-1.

Brotherton an unused sub for Forward Madison who win 1-0.

Full game for Linder as Whitecaps II draw 1-1 with Rapids II. Caps II lose the pen shootout MLS Next Pro gimmick, 3-4.
No Herdman. No Harris
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Dyer in on the action early in Indianapolis, picking up on a loose ball to slot home for his 3rd of the season. 

Although I'm not too sure about the kangaroo celebration. 

1-0 Tulsa after 20.
July 09, 2023 11:25
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Not sure if this is a thing is NZ, but there seems to be a lot of this on YouTube. I’m getting this game live.

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Lovely little back heeled assist from Myer Bevan as Cavalry go 2-0 up against CPL frontrunners Pacific FC in British Columbia.
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Dyer in on the action early in Indianapolis, picking up on a loose ball to slot home for his 3rd of the season. 

Although I'm not too sure about the kangaroo celebration. 

1-0 Tulsa after 20.

Ends up the only goal of the game in a 1-0 win for Tulsa (8th in the East) over Indy Eleven (7th). Dyer off at 65 mins.

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Not really player specific news, but this would be an excellent development for the game in the USA.

I like this move a lot, and really hope it goes through given the relatively high number of Kiwi's already over in America, especially in the college system.

This could potentially provide even more avenues for Kiwi lads to ply their trade professionally given there is already another 6 teams to be added to the USL Championship (3), and USL League One (3), over the next two seasons. You'd think there would also likely be further clubs pop up down the line to prop up numbers in a three tier competition.




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Come ‘Murica- Inter Miami relegated! Imagine Messi in the USL playing in Wyoming on gridiron tracks…
I know it’s just referring to the USL, but still…
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Come ‘Murica- Inter Miami relegated! Imagine Messi in the USL playing in Wyoming on gridiron tracks…
I know it’s just referring to the USL, but still…

Yup, purely USL sides it will remain. Unfortunately no MLS sides owners/ownership groups would ever vote for promotion/relegation. A real shame, but that's top level American sport for ya.

I am however more than slightly envious of some of the stadiums that are being built for proposed USL/USL1 expansion teams. But that is another topic entirely. 😅

July 12, 2023 23:24 · Edited July 13, 2023 00:12
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The new franchise licence fees are huge to enter into the MLS. Plus you often require a Soccer specific rectangular stadium. Based on that Pro/Rel with the USL is never going to happen 
July 12, 2023 23:50
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USL Championship
Charleston (3rd in the East) travel to Indy Eleven (7th)
Wynne starts for Charleston. No Randall.
Edit - Wynne full game in a 1-1 draw.

Pittsburgh (2nd in the East) travel to Louisville City (4th)
Zwetsloot on the bench for Pittsburgh.
Edit - Zwetsloot on at 81 mins (1-0), in a 1-0 win.

Tulsa (8th in the East) host Miami FC (10th)
Edit - Dyer full game (as a 10?) in a 1-0 win.

July 13, 2023 11:23 · Edited July 13, 2023 15:58
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USL Championship
Kiwi USL derby. San Diego (5th in the West) travel to Colorado Springs (4th)
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/15/united-states/mls-reserve-league/colorado-springs/san-diego-loyal/4015804/

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Kiwi USL derby. Adams & Collier on the bench for San Diego (5th in the West) and ditto Musa rides the pine for Colorado Springs (4th)
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