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Stefan Marinovic (TSV Grünwald | Germany)

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Posted February 24, 2015 09:33 · last edited February 24, 2015 09:36

Marto wrote:

Link2588 wrote:

Marto wrote:

Link2588 wrote:

Awesome news 3 liga is at least as good as league 1 would give him a call up for the next friendly if he can string some more games together.

Not so sure about that, more like League 2/Conference Premier.

I'd say minimum league 2. Its a strange way of looking at it but England has 20 EPL teams, 24 in the championship and then league 1. Germany has 18 in both B1 and B2. Thats an extra 8 sides not heaps but room for a bit more talent up the top. Germanys population Vs the entire UK is an extra 20 million and then u have the SPL as well. Plenty more money in England though thats for sure. 

Your right there but the UK has a far easier visa system and more money outside of the top flight them most, even Germany, so many many more foreigners playing in the FL... just look at all the antipodeans here!

It's much easier for a foreigner to get a visa to play in most European leagues than in England.

Examples include Ryan Thomas in the Netherlands and Bill Tuiloma at Marseilles.

Those two players would struggle to get a visa to play in England due to having no British parent or grandparent (probably) and NZ's low FIFA ranking. 

I assume it's relatively easy for a foreigner from even smaller football countries to get a visa to play in Germany too.

In England a foreign player without a British parent or grandparent must be from the top 70 countries in the FIFA rankings (averaged over the previous two years) and have played in (or been selected in squads for) at least 75% of his country's A internationals over the previous two years to get a work visa: "Work permits will only be issued to international football players of the highest calibre who will be able to make a significant contribution to the development of the game of football in the United Kingdom at the highest level."

Ryan Nelsen was initially refused a work visa to play for Blackburn (no British parent or grandparent and the All Whites were outside the top 70 teams in the FIFA rankings) but Blackburn employed canny lawyers to win an appeal by arguing that Blackburn had no local players or eligible foreign players of comparable ability available or affordable to them.

Harry Ngata, the first Maori to play professionally in Britain, only managed to play for Hull City in the early 1990's by obtaining a student visa for a couple of years. He had to leave Britain when it expired.

Most of the Kiwis currently playing professionally in Britain have a British parent or grandparent (Tommy Smith, Chris Wood, Cameron Howieson etc.) or a EU passport (Winston Reid - dual Danish and NZ citizenship)

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Interesting figures on the number of foreigners playing in Germany:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_football_play...

"As of November 2009, there are 249 foreign players in the 1. Bundesliga, resulting in a foreigner ratio of 45%. In the 2. Bundesliga, there are 145 foreign players - a ratio of 31%. In the 3. Bundesliga, the foreigner ratio is 15%."

Not many foreigners in the 3.Bundesliga, so Marinovic is doing very well as one of the mere 15%.

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Big Pete 65 edited February 24, 2015 09:36
Marto wrote:
Link2588 wrote:
Marto wrote:
Link2588 wrote:

Awesome news 3 liga is at least as good as league 1 would give him a call up for the next friendly if he can string some more games together.

Not so sure about that, more like League 2/Conference Premier.

I'd say minimum league 2. Its a strange way of looking at it but England has 20 EPL teams, 24 in the championship and then league 1. Germany has 18 in both B1 and B2. Thats an extra 8 sides not heaps but room for a bit more talent up the top. Germanys population Vs the entire UK is an extra 20 million and then u have the SPL as well. Plenty more money in England though thats for sure. 

Your right there but the UK has a far easier visa system and more money outside of the top flight them most, even Germany, so many many more foreigners playing in the FL... just look at all the antipodeans here!

It's much easier for a foreigner to get a visa to play in most European leagues than in England.

Examples include Ryan Thomas in the Netherlands and Bill Tuiloma at Marseilles.

Those two players would struggle to get a visa to play in England due to having no British parent or grandparent (probably) and NZ's low FIFA ranking. 

I assume it's relatively easy for a foreigner from even smaller football countries to get a visa to play in Germany too.

In England a foreign player without a British parent or grandparent must be from the top 70 countries in the FIFA rankings (averaged over the previous two years) and have played in (or been selected in squads for) at least 75% of his country's A internationals over the previous two years to get a work visa: "Work permits will only be issued to international football players of the highest calibre who will be able to make a significant contribution to the development of the game of football in the United Kingdom at the highest level."

Ryan Nelsen was initially refused a work visa to play for Blackburn (no British parent or grandparent and the All Whites were outside the top 70 teams in the FIFA rankings) but Blackburn employed canny lawyers to win an appeal by arguing that Blackburn had no local players or eligible foreign players of comparable ability available or affordable to them.

Harry Ngata, the first Maori to play professionally in Britain, only managed to play for Hull City in the early 1990's by obtaining a student visa for a couple of years. He had to leave Britain when it expired.

Most of the Kiwis currently playing professionally in Britain have a British parent or grandparent (Tommy Smith, Chris Wood, Cameron Howieson etc.) or a EU passport (Winston Reid - dual Danish and NZ citizenship)

                                 ____________________________________________________________________

Interesting figures on the number of foreigners playing in Germany:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_football_play...

"As of November 2009, there are 249 foreign players in the 1. Bundesliga, resulting in a foreigner ratio of 45%. In the 2. Bundesliga, there are 145 foreign players - a ratio of 31%. In the 3. Bundesliga, the foreigner ratio is 15%."

Not many foreigners in the 3.Bundesliga, so Marinovic is doing very well as one of the mere 15%.