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Does John Mitchell still have a Job?

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whooooooo wrote:
WE WANT ANSWERS ! WE WANT ANSWERS !  


Not sure why you think you should get answers.  This is a employer-employee issue.
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Stripes wrote:
"The reality is the club loses $1 million a year. I believe in what I've done and I believe in giving something back to the community. I've done it for the right reasons, which is to give something back to New Zealand."

Translation:  $1 million a year is about right for tax write-off purposes.  I could shuffle the money elsewhere, but I like football.

You could also read the story - which was created by WPFC - as the club sticking its hand out for some money from New Zealand Football.


WTF?  No way Terry would think he would get $$ from NZF
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2ndBest wrote:
Stripes wrote:
"The reality is the club loses $1 million a year. I believe in what I've done and I believe in giving something back to the community. I've done it for the right reasons, which is to give something back to New Zealand."

Translation:  $1 million a year is about right for tax write-off purposes.  I could shuffle the money elsewhere, but I like football.

You could also read the story - which was created by WPFC - as the club sticking its hand out for some money from New Zealand Football.


WTF?  No way Terry would think he would get $$ from NZF


You're a mind-reader?  Excellent.  I'll watch your back while you roll casinos for just a 10% cut!
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He will probably be dropped as Terry's "eyes and ears" on the Apprentice though if Terry can't trust him...
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Stripes wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Stripes wrote:
"The reality is the club loses $1 million a year. I believe in what I've done and I believe in giving something back to the community. I've done it for the right reasons, which is to give something back to New Zealand."

Translation:  $1 million a year is about right for tax write-off purposes.  I could shuffle the money elsewhere, but I like football.

You could also read the story - which was created by WPFC - as the club sticking its hand out for some money from New Zealand Football.


WTF?  No way Terry would think he would get $$ from NZF


You're a mind-reader?  Excellent.  I'll watch your back while you roll casinos for just a 10% cut!


Er no but he nix is a private company with no shares held by NZF.  ANd NZF has been clear on where the money they have got from the CWC and WC is going.
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5kux wrote:
Because the Sunday Star Times is an Auckland paper. They are jelous wellington are doing so well compared to them.


It's a Wellington newspaper
Royal2009-12-27 19:40:09
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This is not good news. especially Sunday Star Times publishing it. Auckland or not there is some concern in this. Look at the last 3 years. Crowds have been average. Wins have been below average. Not a good look from outsiders (overseas).
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This recession has bitten really hard in the property sector...where Terry has nearly all of his investments. You have to feel for the guy...its bloody tough out there now. Terry has been flicking off some of his propeties...recently the Harbour City shopping centre on Lambton Quay. Trouble is there are bugger all buyers and the banks are not lending on property.
 
Ownership of the Phoenix is a luxury...any business that loses a million a year is a luxury. We all owe a huge debt of gratitude to Terry for what he has done with the Phoenix. But unless there is a significant upswing in the property market then things will remain tight.
 
The trouble with these sort of things is they are are like a cancer invading a club. Rumours circulate and the whole thing snowballs. It can get to the players as well. Doubts about wages...the uncertainty of the future club licence extension. The players should only have to worry about what goes on on the field....but in times like this they can get distracted.
Anyone can see that the club has had a little bit of a dip lately...injuries,suspensions etc plus now this money thing does not help.
 
What can we do as fans...bugger all realy except watch and wait and hope. in the mean time we can help by getting everyone along to the home games...pack out the ROF. Let the club and the players know we are 100% behind them. Who knows, a great run into the playoffs, a home semifinal with a big crowd may help the club through.
 
 
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Royal wrote:
5kux wrote:
Because the Sunday Star Times is an Auckland paper. They are jelous wellington are doing so well compared to them.


It's a Wellington newspaper
 
 
Jonathan  Marshall who wrote the article writes for the Herald.
 
"The Sunday Star-Times is a New Zealand newspaper published each weekend by the Fairfax group in Auckland. It covers both national and international news, and is a member of the New Zealand Press Association and Newspaper Publishers Association of New Zealand"
 
Auckland are just trying to get back at us for being successful. Unlike them.
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Stripes wrote:
"The reality is the club loses $1 million a year. I believe in what
I've done and I believe in giving something back to the community. I've
done it for the right reasons, which is to give something back to New
Zealand."Translation:� $1 million a year is about right for tax write-off purposes.� I could shuffle the money elsewhere, but I like football.You could also read the story - which was created by WPFC - as the club sticking its hand out for some money from New Zealand Football.


^^^This.

And @AngusBeef, why so negative?
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Honestly you got to stop with Its Auckland this Aucklland that. Fact is it was a journo that published it. I am proud auckland did well in the club challenge.

I'm also proud that the Phoenix have taken the reigns and have tried to do well on the A-League Stage. We got to wrk together for football in this country to increase in popularity.
 
And to not blame auckland all the time. Thats just petty.
darkhorse2009-12-27 22:14:47
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zinidane wrote:
This recession has bitten really hard in the property sector...where Terry has nearly all of his investments. You have to feel for the guy...its bloody tough out there now. 


No.  No, you don't.  You have to feel for parents who couldn't buy christmas presents.  You have to feel for the guy sitting on the pavement with a sign saying, "No work, no home, please help."  You don't have to, but really ought to, feel for health workers doing hundred hour weeks in an attempt to make up for systematic under-funding.

Terry may be in a spot of bother, but he's still very well off.
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Haha, news paper article about Terry not paying his bills on time. That's been happening for how many years now?
I'm suprised they didn't manage to through in a jibe about his car needing a new paint job....

Big media beat-up, slow week for the Herald scrubs, so they come up with this piece of crap to fill in some space on a page.

Conspiracy theory time, the NZRFU found out that Terry has a reputation in Wellington for not paying bills on time, with a bit of roundabout logic, tie that into the Phoenix, tell it to a egg-ball media scrub in Auckland, who happens to pass it along to another media scrub in Auckland, who turns it into a newspaper article, with the expected quotes from Tony and Terry, and that's your media beat-up on football to round out 2009.

So it's all really the NZRFU's fault the players are not being paid on time.Ard Righ2009-12-27 22:54:40
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5kux wrote:
Because the Sunday Star Times is an Auckland paper. They are jelous wellington are doing so well compared to them.
 
Yes we jelos ; cos auckland has shortage of shonky property devlopers...
 
 
If that paper annoys, you try getting the Herald regularly....
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Hard News wrote:
5kux wrote:
Auckland are just trying to get back at us for being successful. Unlike them.


Oh dear.
 
Yes , quite....he, he  , lately its the spelling , more than the obviously tiny gene pool that amuses....
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newzealandpower wrote:

the thing is: we've all known that the Nix were losing money, around $1M a year. But we also knew that no other A-League club is making any dough anyway. Isn't that right?

So what is all this hype about it now? Sure, Mitchell could have chosen not to comment, but in the end he didn't lie, did he?

I just wonder whether it pleases someone (maybe in OZ/Asia) that the Nix are losing money/ aren't assured of a future in the league?


Melbourne has posted a profit in the past, not sure about this season though.

Central Coast Mariners seem to have some cash (don't know how) around as well.

They're the only 2 teams at present who are, or are close to, a profit-type situation.

Hence rumours of revised TV deal floating around, which will bail out a lot of loss making clubs.
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zinidane wrote:
This recession has bitten really hard in the property sector...where Terry has nearly all of his investments. You have to feel for the guy...its bloody tough out there now. Terry has been flicking off some of his propeties...recently the Harbour City shopping centre on Lambton Quay. Trouble is there are bugger all buyers and the banks are not lending on property.
 


Is Terry's main dough through property ALSO, my recent thread (hint hint) about the Ownership and Management structure (see below for link) for the Phoenix should have more prominence now, see, I'm ahead of my time!

http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11155
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Royal wrote:
5kux wrote:
Because the Sunday Star Times is an Auckland paper. They are jelous wellington are doing so well compared to them.


It's a Wellington newspaper
I've always considered it a Wellington news paper, indeed it used to be based there in the Sunday Times days. With corporate buy outs etc it is now owned by Fairfax and based in Auckland. However, I'd call it more of an Australian newspaper than an Auckland one if we were to get into that arguement.
 
I'm also not certain that many football clubs make money for their owners [of any code] and the majority of owners know this when they make their purchase/investment. In fact Terry has intimated this in his press release.
 
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Hard News wrote:
Hard to be sacked when you've already quit I imagine.
 
Oddly enough I know a company that will still try and do this despite the obvious. I can recall two or three cases when they have tried their luck.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Is John Mitchell, communication manager for the Phoenix a contradiction in terms?  If he is in charge of Phoenix communications then its nice to have a name I can vent at for  total crap communication

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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Are you a member of the press paullt?

I don't think his role extends to communicating directly with individual fans.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Interesting...whats the issue there? Ive known the phoenix to communicate very well with fans..


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Stripes wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Stripes wrote:
"The reality is the club loses $1 million a year. I believe in what I've done and I believe in giving something back to the community. I've done it for the right reasons, which is to give something back to New Zealand."

Translation:  $1 million a year is about right for tax write-off purposes.  I could shuffle the money elsewhere, but I like football.

You could also read the story - which was created by WPFC - as the club sticking its hand out for some money from New Zealand Football.


WTF?  No way Terry would think he would get $$ from NZF


You're a mind-reader?  Excellent.  I'll watch your back while you roll casinos for just a 10% cut!
You're a mind-reader stripes?  Excellent.  I'll watch your back while you roll casinos for just a 10% cut!
You came across in the same tone etc,except of the opposite opinion,so that response of yours was a bit odd. At least 2ndbest backed his "Terry wouldnt think he would get $$ from NZF" opinion up with some sort of reasoning.

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Tegal wrote:
Stripes wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Stripes wrote:
"The reality is the club loses $1 million a year. I believe in what I've done and I believe in giving something back to the community. I've done it for the right reasons, which is to give something back to New Zealand."

Translation:  $1 million a year is about right for tax write-off purposes.  I could shuffle the money elsewhere, but I like football.

You could also read the story - which was created by WPFC - as the club sticking its hand out for some money from New Zealand Football.


WTF?  No way Terry would think he would get $$ from NZF


You're a mind-reader?  Excellent.  I'll watch your back while you roll casinos for just a 10% cut!
You're a mind-reader stripes?  Excellent.  I'll watch your back while you roll casinos for just a 10% cut!
You came across in the same tone etc,except of the opposite opinion,so that response of yours was a bit odd. At least 2ndbest backed his "Terry wouldnt think he would get $$ from NZF" opinion up with some sort of reasoning.


Let's be clear:  I was making two separate claims.

  • The former was asserting that Terry's reason for accepting these losses is for tax purposes, which 2ndbest didn't contradict.  I didn't give any reason because this sort of thing is a very standard business procedure.
  • The latter point, with the speculative "you could read the story" prefixing it, wasn't a statement of fact.  With that said, the lack of reasoning on the second point is yours.  WPFC put the story out into the press, and it's legitimate to think that publicly talking about the club's difficulties was an attempt to wring money out of NZF.  2ndbest told us, as a matter of fact, that Terry couldn't possibly think this without yet giving any reason.  At which point, I accused him of mind-reading - which is a pointed way of asking, "Why do you think that?"  It's only after being put on the spot that he actually fronted up with "some sort of reasoning".
Having written all of this, I'm not sure what it is you really found so objectionable.  Maybe a surfeit of free time was to blame?
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Stripes wrote:
Tegal wrote:
Stripes wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Stripes wrote:
"The reality is the club loses $1 million a year. I believe in what I've done and I believe in giving something back to the community. I've done it for the right reasons, which is to give something back to New Zealand."

Translation:  $1 million a year is about right for tax write-off purposes.  I could shuffle the money elsewhere, but I like football.

You could also read the story - which was created by WPFC - as the club sticking its hand out for some money from New Zealand Football.


WTF?  No way Terry would think he would get $$ from NZF


You're a mind-reader?  Excellent.  I'll watch your back while you roll casinos for just a 10% cut!
You're a mind-reader stripes?  Excellent.  I'll watch your back while you roll casinos for just a 10% cut!
You came across in the same tone etc,except of the opposite opinion,so that response of yours was a bit odd. At least 2ndbest backed his "Terry wouldnt think he would get $$ from NZF" opinion up with some sort of reasoning.


Let's be clear:  I was making two separate claims.

  • The former was asserting that Terry's reason for accepting these losses is for tax purposes, which 2ndbest didn't contradict.  I didn't give any reason because this sort of thing is a very standard business procedure.
  • The latter point, with the speculative "you could read the story" prefixing it, wasn't a statement of fact.  With that said, the lack of reasoning on the second point is yours.  WPFC put the story out into the press, and it's legitimate to think that publicly talking about the club's difficulties was an attempt to wring money out of NZF.  2ndbest told us, as a matter of fact, that Terry couldn't possibly think this without yet giving any reason.  At which point, I accused him of mind-reading - which is a pointed way of asking, "Why do you think that?"  It's only after being put on the spot that he actually fronted up with "some sort of reasoning".
Having written all of this, I'm not sure what it is you really found so objectionable.  Maybe a surfeit of free time was to blame?
So without reason you say that its an attempt to wring money from NZF. But 2nd best says the opposite without reason,you accuse him of mind reading. I was merely accusing you of mind reading as you also made a claim without reason.
 
And yes,i currently have free time and only my computer to fill it with

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Tegal wrote:
Stripes wrote:
The latter point, with the speculative "you could read the story" prefixing it, wasn't a statement of fact.  With that said, the lack of reasoning on the second point is yours.  WPFC put the story out into the press, and it's legitimate to think that publicly talking about the club's difficulties was an attempt to wring money out of NZF.  2ndbest told us, as a matter of fact, that Terry couldn't possibly think this without yet giving any reason.  At which point, I accused him of mind-reading - which is a pointed way of asking, "Why do you think that?"  It's only after being put on the spot that he actually fronted up with "some sort of reasoning".
Having written all of this, I'm not sure what it is you really found so objectionable.  Maybe a surfeit of free time was to blame?
So without reason you say that its an attempt to wring money from NZF. But 2nd best says the opposite without reason,you accuse him of mind reading. I was merely accusing you of mind reading as you also made a claim without reason.
 
And yes,i currently have free time and only my computer to fill it with


You should be spending more time playing Football Manager.   However, if you need a flame war, I recommend joining "discussion" groups on Objectivism and/or Ayn Rand.

Once more to make this clear, though: "The club put out a story about their financial difficulties - this may be an attempt to wring money out of NZF" is reasoned speculation.  (The justification is, quite simply, that the club released the story!)
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hmm guess we differ as to whether thats reasoned speculation.
 
Im playing Fifa 10

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Stripes wrote:

However, if you need a flame war, I recommend joining "discussion" groups on Objectivism and/or Ayn Rand.


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This story sounds like stitch-up of the century. Jonathan Marshall has a dodgy past as it is; he used to operate a tabloid website entitled www.nztabloid.co.nz that created a bit of a stir dishing the dirt on well-known Kiwis and their clandestine activities. Marshall said his aim was to change the face of New Zealand journalism or some such thing. He has attracted plenty of his own headlines in the past. JM probably should have known better than to speak so freely with a journo like this - no doubt a replacement will be locked in for 2010. Mikhailichenko2009-12-29 19:55:13
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http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3303/features/582/jonathan_marshall.html

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Stripes wrote:
   WPFC put the story out into the press, and it's legitimate to think that publicly talking about the club's difficulties was an attempt to wring money out of NZF. 


I dont get that reasoning at all, and didnt think that when I read that story.

Illegitimate I would say 
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It's a conspiracy right out of Brettdale's playbook
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Mikhailichenko wrote:
http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3303/features/582/jonathan_marshall.html

 
Thanks for that article.  Confirms my prejudices - another yoof who has yet to engage brain before making utterances and with complete disregard for anyone but himself.
 
muck raking from one so young. tsk, tsk (sigh)
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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hepatitis wrote:
Stripes wrote:
   WPFC put the story out into the press, and it's legitimate to think that publicly talking about the club's difficulties was an attempt to wring money out of NZF. 


I dont get that reasoning at all, and didnt think that when I read that story.

Illegitimate I would say 


Wait.  Are you saying that you think this is unlikely, or, that it's impossible?
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I just wouldnt call it legitimate reasoning. It isnt a normal logical chain of events,and seems more conspiracy rather than legitimate reasoning,as you put it.

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  "Conspiracy theory"?  So, why do you think the club put the story out there?
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I wasnt aware the phoenix made an announcement or published any stories. Thought it was the herald...?
 
Cmon,surely you can see that your theory is a little far fetched,and steers quite a bit further away from fact than your letting on?

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