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Posted April 12, 2024 01:02 · last edited April 12, 2024 01:24

Dougie Rydal
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martinb
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martinb
I mean have they? Or is that BS? 

Or alternatively Warner Brothers is run by a very right wing billionaire who is currently gutting media organisations who used to say things he didn’t like or had credibility. 

I’m not sure where this opinion as news stuff comes from, but frankly some of it is libelous and it wasn’t newsrooms run with journalistic ethics which have been running insane anti-vax BS. 

While you’re all dancing with glee, these journalists were the difference between our response to the pandemic and the over a million deaths in the US. 

There’s a difference between reporting news from a perspective and running propaganda and insanity.  We’ve been lucky here not to have had billionaires with agendas intrude on our news so far. The unnecessary dismantling of Newshub and Melissa Lee’s support the the tobacco industry, but free market for news shows our luck running out. 

Don’t go confusing an editorial stance with authoritarians and fascists buying the whole thing. 

‘A trend in general’? That the world trembles at the might and power of NPR? Or that FOX the most watched ‘news’ in the US is now frequently not ideologically pure enough for the MAGA crowd about their catechism such as the stolen election crap? Which is authoritarian playbook 101- destroy the credibility of the system, both the checks and balances and the mechanisms. But hey, those NPR fusty librarians! FFS…

I dont't think anyone is "dancing with glee" at the loss of news media in NZ, it's a terrible look and feel for NZ. But, you've not been watching the NZ news closely enough if you don't think opinion based reporting hasnt crept in over the last few years then you're probably agreeing with the opinion being represented.

You keep saying that. Without any sources or evidence included. It’s like a bully saying stop hitting yourself and you deserved it. 

This is not regulation in response to quality. It is the whole system that supports democracy being undercut by the social media billionaires and then being bought out by other billionaires.

This is opportunism in response to a drop in ad revenue, by a company which has been interfering with centerist and credible news elsewhere. 

I'll name names then, noone has time to troll through all the "news" reports to point out opinion over fact, Tova O'Brien, Jenna Lynch, Jessica Mutch, Lloyd Burr. All good reporters in their own right, but their reporting style has been heavily opinionated for a number of years now - very anti government (not just holding the govt to account - neither left or right). Maybe it's just me noticing this, but I doubt it or why is everyone supposedly looking for their news elsewhere nowdays to the point that WarnerBros arent making money from advertising.

Isn't that their job? I don't know about anti-government, but they should be asking tougher questions of the Govt than the opposition for instance. 

Personally I'd prefer a journo/host asking tough questions of the Govt no matter if they're red or blue, than the likes of Hosking who only asks tough questions of Labour, or the equivalent of some of the RNZ Hosts re Nats.

The demise of Newshub robs us of some of that, and the next election coverage will be markedly the worse for it.

For me, and bear in mind this is my opinion, holding the government to account is the opposition's role/function, not necessarily the media/news. The news media are there to report on the events of the day, ask some tough questions covering who, what were why etc. But so often what we get fed is a barrage of harrassment from journos asking the same question phrased so many ways trying to catch an MP out on some little thing. Like the recent scandal around the PM receiving accomodation funding - every night for a week this was reported on, with nothing new ever really reported, just a barrage of questions around whether he though it was ok and if he'd pay it back. It's not the medias job to force an MP into doing something.

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Unknown editor edited April 12, 2024 01:24
Dougie Rydal
theprof
martinb
theprof
martinb
I mean have they? Or is that BS? 

Or alternatively Warner Brothers is run by a very right wing billionaire who is currently gutting media organisations who used to say things he didn’t like or had credibility. 

I’m not sure where this opinion as news stuff comes from, but frankly some of it is libelous and it wasn’t newsrooms run with journalistic ethics which have been running insane anti-vax BS. 

While you’re all dancing with glee, these journalists were the difference between our response to the pandemic and the over a million deaths in the US. 

There’s a difference between reporting news from a perspective and running propaganda and insanity.  We’ve been lucky here not to have had billionaires with agendas intrude on our news so far. The unnecessary dismantling of Newshub and Melissa Lee’s support the the tobacco industry, but free market for news shows our luck running out. 

Don’t go confusing an editorial stance with authoritarians and fascists buying the whole thing. 

‘A trend in general’? That the world trembles at the might and power of NPR? Or that FOX the most watched ‘news’ in the US is now frequently not ideologically pure enough for the MAGA crowd about their catechism such as the stolen election crap? Which is authoritarian playbook 101- destroy the credibility of the system, both the checks and balances and the mechanisms. But hey, those NPR fusty librarians! FFS…

I dont't think anyone is "dancing with glee" at the loss of news media in NZ, it's a terrible look and feel for NZ. But, you've not been watching the NZ news closely enough if you don't think opinion based reporting hasnt crept in over the last few years then you're probably agreeing with the opinion being represented.

You keep saying that. Without any sources or evidence included. It’s like a bully saying stop hitting yourself and you deserved it. 

This is not regulation in response to quality. It is the whole system that supports democracy being undercut by the social media billionaires and then being bought out by other billionaires.

This is opportunism in response to a drop in ad revenue, by a company which has been interfering with centerist and credible news elsewhere. 

I'll name names then, noone has time to troll through all the "news" reports to point out opinion over fact, Tova O'Brien, Jenna Lynch, Jessica Mutch, Lloyd Burr. All good reporters in their own right, but their reporting style has been heavily opinionated for a number of years now - very anti government (not just holding the govt to account - neither left or right). Maybe it's just me noticing this, but I doubt it or why is everyone supposedly looking for their news elsewhere nowdays to the point that WarnerBros arent making money from advertising.

Isn't that their job? I don't know about anti-government, but they should be asking tougher questions of the Govt than the opposition for instance. 

Personally I'd prefer a journo/host asking tough questions of the Govt no matter if they're red or blue, than the likes of Hosking who only asks tough questions of Labour, or the equivalent of some of the RNZ Hosts re Nats.

The demise of Newshub robs us of some of that, and the next election coverage will be markedly the worse for it.

For me, and bear in mind this is my opinion, holding the government to account is the opposition's role/function, not necessarily the media/news. The new media re there to report on the events of the day, ask some tough questions covering who, what were why etc. But so often what we get fed is a barrage of harrassment from journos asking the same question phrased so many ways trying to catch an MP out on some little thing. Like the recent scandal around the PM receiving accomodation funding - every night for a week this was reported on, with nothing new ever really reported, just a barrage of questions around whether he though it was ok and if he'd pay it back. It's not the medias job to force an MP into doing something.
Unknown editor edited April 12, 2024 01:24
Dougie Rydal
theprof
martinb
theprof
martinb
I mean have they? Or is that BS? 

Or alternatively Warner Brothers is run by a very right wing billionaire who is currently gutting media organisations who used to say things he didn’t like or had credibility. 

I’m not sure where this opinion as news stuff comes from, but frankly some of it is libelous and it wasn’t newsrooms run with journalistic ethics which have been running insane anti-vax BS. 

While you’re all dancing with glee, these journalists were the difference between our response to the pandemic and the over a million deaths in the US. 

There’s a difference between reporting news from a perspective and running propaganda and insanity.  We’ve been lucky here not to have had billionaires with agendas intrude on our news so far. The unnecessary dismantling of Newshub and Melissa Lee’s support the the tobacco industry, but free market for news shows our luck running out. 

Don’t go confusing an editorial stance with authoritarians and fascists buying the whole thing. 

‘A trend in general’? That the world trembles at the might and power of NPR? Or that FOX the most watched ‘news’ in the US is now frequently not ideologically pure enough for the MAGA crowd about their catechism such as the stolen election crap? Which is authoritarian playbook 101- destroy the credibility of the system, both the checks and balances and the mechanisms. But hey, those NPR fusty librarians! FFS…

I dont't think anyone is "dancing with glee" at the loss of news media in NZ, it's a terrible look and feel for NZ. But, you've not been watching the NZ news closely enough if you don't think opinion based reporting hasnt crept in over the last few years then you're probably agreeing with the opinion being represented.

You keep saying that. Without any sources or evidence included. It’s like a bully saying stop hitting yourself and you deserved it. 

This is not regulation in response to quality. It is the whole system that supports democracy being undercut by the social media billionaires and then being bought out by other billionaires.

This is opportunism in response to a drop in ad revenue, by a company which has been interfering with centerist and credible news elsewhere. 

I'll name names then, noone has time to troll through all the "news" reports to point out opinion over fact, Tova O'Brien, Jenna Lynch, Jessica Mutch, Lloyd Burr. All good reporters in their own right, but their reporting style has been heavily opinionated for a number of years now - very anti government (not just holding the govt to account - neither left or right). Maybe it's just me noticing this, but I doubt it or why is everyone supposedly looking for their news elsewhere nowdays to the point that WarnerBros arent making money from advertising.

Isn't that their job? I don't know about anti-government, but they should be asking tougher questions of the Govt than the opposition for instance. 

Personally I'd prefer a journo/host asking tough questions of the Govt no matter if they're red or blue, than the likes of Hosking who only asks tough questions of Labour, or the equivalent of some of the RNZ Hosts re Nats.

The demise of Newshub robs us of some of that, and the next election coverage will be markedly the worse for it.

For me, and bear in mind this is my opinion, holding the gobvernment to account is the opposition's role/function, not necessarily the media/news. The new media re there to report on the events of the day, ask some tough questions covering who, what were why etc. But so often what we get fed is a barrage of harrassment from journos asking the same question phrased so many ways trying to catch an MP out on some little thing. Like the recent scandal around the PM receiving accomodation funding - every night for a week this was reported on, with nothing new ever really reported, just a barrage of questions around whether he though it was ok and if he'd pay it back. It's not the medias job to force an MP into doing something.