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Posted September 25, 2021 22:48 · last edited September 25, 2021 22:56

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as may said in the other thread - NZ's delay in starting vaxing wasnt due to a lax approach, more a global approach to  a pandemic, we ordered plenty of supply at a cost that was acceptable, unlike Israel we didnt call Pfiezer 40x and offer stupid money to control vaccines. Our elimination response put us in a good place to no need the vaccine until now. So, yeah, we received our vaccines slower than others but we didnt need them. Now we are at 30+% fully vaxxed with almost 80% in Auckland with one dose. Aussie are very similar and they've been doing it for longer, plus they have massive outbreaks. Your political viewpoint will generally colour what you think of the response of each country, but from a health perspective we have lost far less lives and had far less people infected with covid than any of the countries we are compared too. Not just on pure numbers but on a per capita basis. No vax is 100% effective, Pfiezer gives us a really high chance of not getting sick if exposed, it also reduces our chance of spreading the illness. This means that if vaxxed we should be able to travel freely provided we can test negative and follow the protocols.
Both Aus and NZ should have reached the 80% fully vaxxed position by November, we are hoping to achieve 90% soon after that. Fingers crossed this means the a-league goes back to "normal". 
Interestingly with the Israel thing, apparently Pfizer told us that paying more will not push you up the queue--which means we inquired about it. The claim is that Israel paid double per does of what we paid because it ordered late, not to expedite delivery. The expedited delivery was, apparently, because Israel agreed to give Pfizer access to a lot of data (including personal data of its citizens), which had privacy advocates in the country up in arms. This was attractive to Pfizer because it meant that they'd get a large scale trial (of around 9 million people) to understand the efficacy, side effects, and logistics of the vaccine.

The other interesting thing is we've got a booster shot plan, and have bought up millions of doses of novavax to do it (as the research suggests that having a different vaccine for the booster has a better immune response than using the same vaccine), when other countries who vaccinated much quicker than us are still trying to figure out if they're going to do boosters at all, or are just talking about doing it for those at risk. That seems proactive to me.

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theprof
as may said in the other thread - NZ's delay in starting vaxing wasnt due to a lax approach, more a global approach to  a pandemic, we ordered plenty of supply at a cost that was acceptable, unlike Israel we didnt call Pfiezer 40x and offer stupid money to control vaccines. Our elimination response put us in a good place to no need the vaccine until now. So, yeah, we received our vaccines slower than others but we didnt need them. Now we are at 30+% fully vaxxed with almost 80% in Auckland with one dose. Aussie are very similar and they've been doing it for longer, plus they have massive outbreaks. Your political viewpoint will generally colour what you think of the response of each country, but from a health perspective we have lost far less lives and had far less people infected with covid than any of the countries we are compared too. Not just on pure numbers but on a per capita basis. No vax is 100% effective, Pfiezer gives us a really high chance of not getting sick if exposed, it also reduces our chance of spreading the illness. This means that if vaxxed we should be able to travel freely provided we can test negative and follow the protocols.
Both Aus and NZ should have reached the 80% fully vaxxed position by November, we are hoping to achieve 90% soon after that. Fingers crossed this means the a-league goes back to "normal". 
Interestingly with the Israel thing, apparently Pfizer told us that paying more will not push you up the queue--which means we inquired about it. The claim is that Israel paid double per does of what we paid because it ordered late, not to expedite delivery. The expedited delivery was, apparently, because Israel agreed to give Pfizer access to a lot of data (including personal data of its citizens), which had privacy advocates in the country up in arms. This was attractive to Pfizer because it meant that they'd get a large scale trial (of around 9 million people) to understand the efficacy, side effects, and logistics of the vaccine.

The other interesting thing is we've got a booster shot plan, and have bought up millions of doses of novavax to do it, when other countries who vaccinated much quicker than us are still trying to figure out if they're going to do boosters at all, or are just talking about doing it for those at risk. That seems proactive to me.
Unknown editor edited September 25, 2021 22:54
theprof
as may said in the other thread - NZ's delay in starting vaxing wasnt due to a lax approach, more a global approach to  a pandemic, we ordered plenty of supply at a cost that was acceptable, unlike Israel we didnt call Pfiezer 40x and offer stupid money to control vaccines. Our elimination response put us in a good place to no need the vaccine until now. So, yeah, we received our vaccines slower than others but we didnt need them. Now we are at 30+% fully vaxxed with almost 80% in Auckland with one dose. Aussie are very similar and they've been doing it for longer, plus they have massive outbreaks. Your political viewpoint will generally colour what you think of the response of each country, but from a health perspective we have lost far less lives and had far less people infected with covid than any of the countries we are compared too. Not just on pure numbers but on a per capita basis. No vax is 100% effective, Pfiezer gives us a really high chance of not getting sick if exposed, it also reduces our chance of spreading the illness. This means that if vaxxed we should be able to travel freely provided we can test negative and follow the protocols.
Both Aus and NZ should have reached the 80% fully vaxxed position by November, we are hoping to achieve 90% soon after that. Fingers crossed this means the a-league goes back to "normal". 
Interestingly with the Israel thing, apparently Pfizer told us that paying more will not push you up the queue--which means we inquired about it. The claim is that Israel paid double per does of what we paid because it ordered late, not to expedite delivery. The expedited delivery was, apparently, because Israel agreed to give Pfizer access to a lot of data (including personal data of its citizens), which had privacy advocates in the country up in arms. This was attractive to Pfizer because it meant that they'd get a large scale trial (of around 9 million people) to understand the efficacy, side effects, and logistics of the vaccine.
Unknown editor edited September 25, 2021 22:50
theprof
as may said in the other thread - NZ's delay in starting vaxing wasnt due to a lax approach, more a global approach to  a pandemic, we ordered plenty of supply at a cost that was acceptable, unlike Israel we didnt call Pfiezer 40x and offer stupid money to control vaccines. Our elimination response put us in a good place to no need the vaccine until now. So, yeah, we received our vaccines slower than others but we didnt need them. Now we are at 30+% fully vaxxed with almost 80% in Auckland with one dose. Aussie are very similar and they've been doing it for longer, plus they have massive outbreaks. Your political viewpoint will generally colour what you think of the response of each country, but from a health perspective we have lost far less lives and had far less people infected with covid than any of the countries we are compared too. Not just on pure numbers but on a per capita basis. No vax is 100% effective, Pfiezer gives us a really high chance of not getting sick if exposed, it also reduces our chance of spreading the illness. This means that if vaxxed we should be able to travel freely provided we can test negative and follow the protocols.
Both Aus and NZ should have reached the 80% fully vaxxed position by November, we are hoping to achieve 90% soon after that. Fingers crossed this means the a-league goes back to "normal". 
Interestingly with the Israel thing, apparently Pfizer told us, that paying more will not push you up the queue--which means we inquired about it. The claim is that Israel paid double what other countries paid because it ordered late, not to expedite delivery. The expedited delivery was, apparently, because Israel agreed to give Pfizer access to a lot of data (including personal data of its citizens), which had privacy advocates in the country up in arms. This was attractive to Pfizer because it meant that they'd get a large scale trial (of around 9 million people) to understand the efficacy, side effects, and logistics of the vaccine.
Unknown editor edited September 25, 2021 22:49
theprof
as may said in the other thread - NZ's delay in starting vaxing wasnt due to a lax approach, more a global approach to  a pandemic, we ordered plenty of supply at a cost that was acceptable, unlike Israel we didnt call Pfiezer 40x and offer stupid money to control vaccines. Our elimination response put us in a good place to no need the vaccine until now. So, yeah, we received our vaccines slower than others but we didnt need them. Now we are at 30+% fully vaxxed with almost 80% in Auckland with one dose. Aussie are very similar and they've been doing it for longer, plus they have massive outbreaks. Your political viewpoint will generally colour what you think of the response of each country, but from a health perspective we have lost far less lives and had far less people infected with covid than any of the countries we are compared too. Not just on pure numbers but on a per capita basis. No vax is 100% effective, Pfiezer gives us a really high chance of not getting sick if exposed, it also reduces our chance of spreading the illness. This means that if vaxxed we should be able to travel freely provided we can test negative and follow the protocols.
Both Aus and NZ should have reached the 80% fully vaxxed position by November, we are hoping to achieve 90% soon after that. Fingers crossed this means the a-league goes back to "normal". 
Interestingly with the Israel thing, apparently Pfizer told us, and other countries, that paying more will not push you up the queue. The claim is that Israel paid double what other countries paid because it ordered late, not to expedite delivery. The expedited delivery was, apparently, because Israel agreed to give Pfizer access to a lot of data (including personal data of its citizens), which had privacy advocates in the country up in arms. This was attractive to Pfizer because it meant that they'd get a large scale trial (of around 9 million people) to understand the efficacy, side effects, and logistics of the vaccine.