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Posted August 08, 2017 23:48 · last edited August 08, 2017 23:56

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Yet Key and English did the same thing far more recently. 

If this is the housing allowance. I believe they were entitled to apply for it - It was approved. The rules changed. Govt Services did not review the recipients. Once error was found both paid the money back immediately.

Was talking more about being enrolled in an electorate they didn't live in. English said he had made Wellington his home in 2009 (during the housing allowances stuff), but was still enrolled in Clutha-Southland during the 2011 election. And presumably voted for himself. 

Key had similar issues  but that seems it's a bit more complicated (outlined here).

Isn't that quite different to enrolling to vote in an electorate that you never lived in at a house you didn't live in deliberately in order to be able to vote for someone else? 

Isn't that what John Key did between 2002-2004? Enrolled at a property he never lived in, in a different electorate from the property he did live in? The article 2B linked to does show it was slightly grey. 

English may have met the criteria of having 'lived at that address for at least one month' in Dipton (not knowing the timeframe for that, I am able to enroll at my parents property even though I haven't lived there for 12 years?) when the 2009 allowance case showed that his main residence was in Wellington. For 2014 he was enrolled in Wellington Central, no longer an electorate candidate in Clutha-Southland so no need to vote for himself.

Turei's case in terms of electoral fraud should really be a minor story, she was running in that same election but registered in a different electorate to vote for her friend - both for mcgillicuddy serious and both getting less than 200 votes. The problem is that the property she was incorrectly enrolled at was owned by the father of her daughter - which, among living with others, complicates her dbp case.

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james dean wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Blew.2 wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Yet Key and English did the same thing far more recently. 

If this is the housing allowance. I believe they were entitled to apply for it - It was approved. The rules changed. Govt Services did not review the recipients. Once error was found both paid the money back immediately.

Was talking more about being enrolled in an electorate they didn't live in. English said he had made Wellington his home in 2009 (during the housing allowances stuff), but was still enrolled in Clutha-Southland during the 2011 election. And presumably voted for himself. 

Key had similar issues  but that seems it's a bit more complicated (outlined here).

Isn't that quite different to enrolling to vote in an electorate that you never lived in at a house you didn't live in deliberately in order to be able to vote for someone else? 

Isn't that what John Key did between 2002-2004? Enrolled at a property he never lived in, in a different electorate from the property he did live in? The article 2B linked too does show it was slightly grey. 

English may have met the criteria of having 'lived at that address for at least one month' in Dipton (not knowing the timeframe for that, I am able to enroll at my parents property even though I haven't lived there for 12 years?) when the 2009 allowance case showed that his main residence was in Wellington. For 2014 he was enrolled in Wellington Central, no longer an electorate candidate in Clutha-Southland so no need to vote for himself.

Turei's case in terms of electoral fraud should really be a minor story, she was running in that same election but registered in a different electorate to vote for her friend - both for mcgillicuddy serious and both getting less than 200 votes. The problem is that the property she was incorrectly enrolled at was owned by the father of her daughter - which, among living with others, complicates her dbp case.