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Posted August 10, 2017 22:50 · last edited August 10, 2017 22:58

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Had to nod when David Seymour on Backbenches said to Jan Logie 'with the greatest of respect, you are deluded'. Sums up quite a few in the Greens

I think it's actually the opposite, people are deluded if they think the status quo can continue. We are being stagnated into oblivion.

Growth in 23 of the last 24 quarters says otherwise.

The answer to getting people out of "poverty" is not by giving them more money through ever increasing benefits 

It's pretty clear that we are at the start of a huge upheaval and have a perfect storm of constrained and diminishing resources, increasing demand for those resources, and automation. The US government has predicted that 3 million jobs will be lost over the next few years just from the automation of transportation. 

The good thing about massive and disruptive change is that it allows for a re-ordering of power, just like how Finland built it's economy from low income and impoverished to high income and wealthy on the back of the mobile phone revolution. We're finding that countries in Europe who are going wholesale into green tech are among the quickest growing in the world, and even in the US as backwards as it is green energy jobs are growing faster than any other sector.  The bad thing about massive and disruptive change is that if you don't innovate you get left behind. 

Benefits are going to be a fact of life for most of us I'm afraid, potentially all of us - that's why forward thinking countries are seriously looking at Universal Basic Income. I think you'll find that benefits haven't been increasing vs the cost of living but decreasing, and while I haven't seen a study we have one example of how getting more money helped someone off the benefit in Turei, chances are if she hadn't lied she would still be sitting on the dpb and a burden on the taxpayer rather than being productive.  

But I think benefits are not the answer the answer ultimately is to change society so that it's not biased so that one segment succeeds at the detriment of others.

Also, what's the intention of putting poverty in quotes? Are you implying that it doesn't exist?

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sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:

Had to nod when David Seymour on Backbenches said to Jan Logie 'with the greatest of respect, you are deluded'. Sums up quite a few in the Greens

I think it's actually the opposite, people are deluded if they think the status quo can continue. We are being stagnated into oblivion.

Growth in 23 of the last 24 quarters says otherwise.

The answer to getting people out of "poverty" is not by giving them more money through ever increasing benefits 

It's pretty clear that we are at the start of a huge upheaval and have a perfect storm of constrained and diminishing resources, increasing demand for those resources, and automation. The US government has predicted that 3 million jobs will be lost over the next few years just from the automation of transportation. 

The good thing about massive and disruptive change is that it allows for a re-ordering of power, just like how Finland built it's economy from low income and impoverished to high income and wealthy on the back of the mobile phone revolution. We're finding that countries in Europe who are going wholesale into green tech are among the quickest growing in the world, and even in the US as backwards as it is green energy jobs are growing faster than any other sector.  The bad thing about massive and disruptive change is that if you don't innovate you get left behind. 

Benefits are going to be a fact of life for most of us I'm afraid, hopefully all of us - that's why forward thinking countries are seriously looking at Universal Basic Income. I think you'll find that benefits haven't been increasing vs the cost of living but decreasing, and while I haven't seen a study we have one example of how getting more money helped someone off the benefit in Turei, chances are if she hadn't lied she would still be sitting on the dpb and being a burden on the taxpayer rather than being productive.  

But I think benefits are not the answer the answer ultimately is to change society so that it's not biased so that one segment succeeds at the detriment of others.

Also, what's the intention of putting poverty in quotes? Are you implying that it doesn't exist?

Unknown editor edited August 10, 2017 22:56
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:

Had to nod when David Seymour on Backbenches said to Jan Logie 'with the greatest of respect, you are deluded'. Sums up quite a few in the Greens

I think it's actually the opposite, people are deluded if they think the status quo can continue. We are being stagnated into oblivion.

Growth in 23 of the last 24 quarters says otherwise.

The answer to getting people out of "poverty" is not by giving them more money through ever increasing benefits 

It's pretty clear that we are at the start of a huge upheaval and have a perfect storm of constrained and diminishing resources, increasing demand for those resources, and automation. The US government has predicted that 3 million jobs will be lost over the next few years just from the automation of transportation. 

The good thing about massive and disruptive change is that it allows for a re-ordering of power, just like how Finland built it's economy from low income and impoverished to high income and wealthy on the back of the mobile phone revolution. We're finding that countries in Europe who are going wholesale into green tech are among the quickest growing in the world, and even in the US as backwards as it is green energy jobs are growing faster than any other sector.  The bad thing about massive and disruptive change is that if you don't innovate you get left behind. 

Benefits are going to be a fact of life for most of us I'm afraid, hopefully all of us - that's why forward thinking countries are seriously looking at Universal Basic Income. I think you'll find that benefits haven't been increasing vs the cost of living but decreasing, and while I haven't seen a study we have one example of how getting more money helped someone off the benefit in Turei, chances are if she hadn't lied she would still be sitting on the dpb and being a burden on the taxpayer rather than being productive. 

Also, what's the intention of putting poverty in quotes? Are you implying that it doesn't exist?