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Posted September 26, 2017 02:22 · last edited September 26, 2017 21:20

Ryan wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Well, even National is left wing by international standards. So the swing hasn't been to the left per se but against the incumbent coalition that has been around for the last couple of terms. 

The vote was clearly for change even if that change is a National and NZ First coalition rather than a National and Act and United Future and Māori party coalition.

Sorry what the hell are you talking about?

A 5 seat shift is not 'clearly a vote for change' (2 from National, 1 from United and 2 from Maori and the last parliment had an overhang) especially when Labour has traditionally held the Maori seats and Dunne decided to get out! Its more of the status quo than a clear vote for change. 

Labour pinched seats off the Greens and Winston 1st primarily because the "bludger scandals" that followed Winston and Turia and scared some people back to the mothership. 

Go look at the mix at the last election vs this one. There is no vote for change here. All that is is reshuffling the chairs on the deck but its clearly not a vote for change

hmmm 46% voted for National 54% voted against them it's quite simple really

35% voted for labour, 65% voted against them. 

Last time round the government had 64 seats, now they have 58 but probably 57. That's a drop in six or seven seats. The opposition has increased from 53 to 61 seats and probably more.

Even if National is in government with NZ First or the Greens it will still be a substantially different government than we've had for the last two terms.

At least state facts. The government last time around had 64 seats with the combined parties or Maori, Act and UF. This time round NATIONAL has 58 seats. 

the coalition from the last couple of elections has 58 seats. That's what I said.

There was a vote for change, even if national is part of the ruling coalition the coalition has changed drastically.

Is your name Trotsky?

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Ryan wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Tegal wrote:
The JourneyFan wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Ryan wrote:

Well, even National is left wing by international standards. So the swing hasn't been to the left per se but against the incumbent coalition that has been around for the last couple of terms. 

The vote was clearly for change even if that change is a National and NZ First coalition rather than a National and Act and United Future and Māori party coalition.

Sorry what the hell are you talking about?

A 5 seat shift is not 'clearly a vote for change' (2 from National, 1 from United and 2 from Maori and the last parliment had an overhang) especially when Labour has traditionally held the Maori seats and Dunne decided to get out! Its more of the status quo than a clear vote for change. 

Labour pinched seats off the Greens and Winston 1st primarily because the "bludger scandals" that followed Winston and Turia and scared some people back to the mothership. 

Go look at the mix at the last election vs this one. There is no vote for change here. All that is is reshuffling the chairs on the deck but its clearly not a vote for change

hmmm 46% voted for National 54% voted against them it's quite simple really

35% voted for labour, 65% voted against them. 

Last time round the government had 64 seats, now they have 58 but probably 57. That's a drop in six or seven seats. The opposition has increased from 53 to 61 seats and probably more.

Even if National is in government with NZ First or the Greens it will still be a substantially different government than we've had for the last two terms.

At least state facts. The government last time around had 64 seats with the combined parties or Maori, Act and UF. This time round NATIONAL has 58 seats. 
the coalition from the last couple of elections has 58 seats. That's what I said.

There was a vote for change, even if national is part of the ruling coalition the coalition has changed drastically.

Is you name Trotsky?