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Posted December 07, 2008 22:15 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:28

In terms of our ODI ranking I think that is a real oddity, we have dropped to 5th mainly because England and India who have gone ahead of us have been playing big name teams. I still think it is an absolute travesty that England have gone ahead of us, didn't we win those combined series 7-2 or 6-3, but because they beat the Jaapies (where did that come from?) they go ahead of us. India I dont mind so much, they are a good side at home but I expect we will beat them down here this year in the ODI series, will be a goodun though.
 
Very right about our Test Cricket though, horrendous 5 years but one name hasn't been mentioned much in all of this discussion and that is Ric Charlesworth, from all accounts it seems he was given a lot of power and moulded Bracewell a little bit. Certainly in Astles book it seems like he lays much of the blame for the early retirements at Charlesworths door. Would be interesting to learn more about his involvement in all of this.
 
However I do believe that team we sent to Australia given 2 or 3 years playing 12-15 tests a year it could be a very good side. I haven't heard many doubt the undoubted talent that will develop of guys like Flynn, Ryder, Southee, How. Taylor is there for mind, he is beginning to produce reasonably consistently and with McCullum, Oram and Vettori we have a pretty good nucleus of a side for the years to come. I almost look at this period as being like 96-97 when we were so poor but we had the nucleus of the team that went forward and did pretty well in the early 2000s.
 
That is an epic post, shows what can be acheived when one is procrastinating from doing readings
 
 
bopman2008-12-08 15:12:39

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In terms of our ODI ranking I think that is a real oddity, we have dropped to 5th mainly because England and India who have gone ahead of us have been playing big name teams. I still think it is an absolute travesty that England have gone ahead of us, didn't we win those combined series 7-2 or 6-3, but because they beat the Jaapies (where did that come from?) they go ahead of us. India I dont mind so much, they are a good side at home but I expect we will beat them down here this year in the ODI series, will be a goodun though.

 
Very right about our Test Cricket though, horrendous 5 years but one name hasn't been mentioned much in all of this discussion and that is Ric Charlesworth, from all accounts it seems he was given a lot of power and moulded Bracewell a little bit. Certainly in Astles book it seems like he lays much of the blame for the early retirements at Charlesworths door. Would be interesting to learn more about his involvement in all of this.
 
However I do believe that team we sent to Australia given 2 or 3 years playing 12-15 tests a year it could be a very good side. I haven't heard many doubt the undoubted talent that will develop of guys like Flynn, Ryder, Southee, How. Taylor is there for mind, he is beginning to produce reasonably consistently and with McCullum, Oram and Vettori we have a pretty good nucleus of a side for the years to come. I almost look at this period as being like 96-97 when we were so poor but we had the nucleus of the team that went forward and did pretty well in the early 2000s.
 
That is an epic post, shows what can be acheived when one is procrastinating from doing readings
 
 
bopman2008-12-08 15:12:39