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Posted March 22, 2015 09:52 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:29

aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:

this is the thing. The press have been fapping over Williamson and to a lesser extent BMac for the whole tournament so far. But it comes down to one knockout innings. Both choked today or were found out. 

And I suppose we shouldn't forget that Guppy has got lucky twice. the LBW and the dropped catch. 

but on the statistical trend his next innings is likely to be over 300 just on his own...

Someone who doesn't understand cricket.

Quarter finals. The two key players that we have looked to to play decisive innings got out cheaply, without either getting us off to a particularly quick start or building a partnership.

At that point their ability to influence the game and tournament with the bat was over. Since neither has really failed in this tournament I'd call it a choke. It could have been a much more costly failure than it was.

The thing about cricket is that you sometimes fail.  Even if you are in good form and things are going well, you can go out.  This failure in a one off innings does not imply choking, or being found out.  To suggest otherwise with no other evidence is ridiculous.

If the failure in one innings knocks you out of a World Cup, yep I consider it a choke. Look at the quarter finals. Dropping a catch is something that sometimes happens. But to do it in a quarter final is an example of the pressure getting to you. This is what a choke is. Not being found out at all- that's probably the wrong words sorry, but failing to live up to your own standards or expectations in a pressure situation. Missing a put, finding the water. All these things happen, but on an 18th hole when you need a par to win- that's a choke. It can be the difference between good players and great players, depending on the game. Williamson's dismissal was particularly soft. Fantastic players, but we were lucky, very lucky that our other players stood up and had second lives!

All Blacks choked a bit at the last WC final, but were lucky to meet a French side who couldn't capitalise on their mistakes as previous teams have done. 

Don't think this means I think any less of Williamson or McCullum as players- their record stands there to be counted- but that they failed to play a decisive hand in a key game, when they have done so so frequently recentlyand the opposition would be afraid that they would.

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aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:

this is the thing. The press have been fapping over Williamson and to a lesser extent BMac for the whole tournament so far. But it comes down to one knockout innings. Both choked today or were found out. 

And I suppose we shouldn't forget that Guppy has got lucky twice. the LBW and the dropped catch. 

but on the statistical trend his next innings is likely to be over 300 just on his own...

Someone who doesn't understand cricket.

Quarter finals. The two key players that we have looked to to play decisive innings got out cheaply, without either getting us off to a particularly quick start or building a partnership.

At that point their ability to influence the game and tournament with the bat was over. Since neither has really failed in this tournament I'd call it a choke. It could have been a much more costly failure than it was.

The thing about cricket is that you sometimes fail.  Even if you are in good form and things are going well, you can go out.  This failure in a one off innings does not imply choking, or being found out.  To suggest otherwise with no other evidence is ridiculous.

If the failure in one innings knocks you out of a World Cup, yep I consider it a choke. Look at the quarter finals. Dropping a catch is something that sometimes happens. But to do it in a quarter final is an example of the pressure getting to you. This is what a choke is. Not being found out at all- that's probably the wrong words sorry, but failing to live up to your own standards or expectations in a pressure situation. Missing a put, finding the water. All these things happen, but on an 18th hole when you need a par to win- that's a choke. It can be the difference between good players and great players, depending on the game. Williamson's dismissal was particularly soft. Fantastic players, but we were lucky, very lucky that our other players stood up and had second lives!

All Blacks choked a bit at the last WC final, but were lucky to meet a French side who couldn't capitalise on their mistakes as previous teams have done. 

Don't think this means I think any less of Williamson or McCullum as players- their record stands there to be counted- but that they failed to play a decisive hand in a key game, when they have done so so frequently recentlyand the opposition would be afraid that they would.

martinb edited March 22, 2015 09:57
aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:

this is the thing. The press have been fapping over Williamson and to a lesser extent BMac for the whole tournament so far. But it comes down to one knockout innings. Both choked today or were found out. 

And I suppose we shouldn't forget that Guppy has got lucky twice. the LBW and the dropped catch. 

but on the statistical trend his next innings is likely to be over 300 just on his own...

Someone who doesn't understand cricket.

Quarter finals. The two key players that we have looked to to play decisive innings got out cheaply, without either getting us off to a particularly quick start or building a partnership.

At that point their ability to influence the game and tournament with the bat was over. Since neither has really failed in this tournament I'd call it a choke. It could have been a much more costly failure than it was.

The thing about cricket is that you sometimes fail.  Even if you are in good form and things are going well, you can go out.  This failure in a one off innings does not imply choking, or being found out.  To suggest otherwise with no other evidence is ridiculous.

If the failure in one innings knocks you out of a World Cup, yep I consider it a choke. Look at the quarter finals. Dropping a catch is something that sometimes happens. But to do it in a quarter final is an example of the pressure getting to you. This is what a choke is. Not being found out at all- that's probably the wrong words sorry, but failing to live up to your own standards or expectations in a pressure situation. Missing a put, finding the water. All these things happen, but on an 18th hole when you need a par to win- that's a choke. It can be the difference between good players and great players, depending on the game. Williamson's dismissal was particularly soft. Fantastic players, but we were lucky, very lucky that our other players stood up and had second lives!

All Blacks choked a bit at the last WC final, but were lucky to meet a French side who couldn't capitalise on their mistakes as previous teams have done. 

Don't think this means I think any less of Williamson or McCullum as players- there record stands there to be counted- but that they failed to play a decisive hand in a key game, when they have done so so frequently recentlyand the opposition would be afraid that they would.

martinb edited March 22, 2015 09:57
aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:

this is the thing. The press have been fapping over Williamson and to a lesser extent BMac for the whole tournament so far. But it comes down to one knockout innings. Both choked today or were found out. 

And I suppose we shouldn't forget that Guppy has got lucky twice. the LBW and the dropped catch. 

but on the statistical trend his next innings is likely to be over 300 just on his own...

Someone who doesn't understand cricket.

Quarter finals. The two key players that we have looked to to play decisive innings got out cheaply, without either getting us off to a particularly quick start or building a partnership.

At that point their ability to influence the game and tournament with the bat was over. Since neither has really failed in this tournament I'd call it a choke. It could have been a much more costly failure than it was.

The thing about cricket is that you sometimes fail.  Even if you are in good form and things are going well, you can go out.  This failure in a one off innings does not imply choking, or being found out.  To suggest otherwise with no other evidence is ridiculous.

If the failure in one innings knocks you out of a World Cup, yep I consider it a choke. Look at the quarter finals. Dropping a catch is something that sometimes happens. But to do it in a quarter final is an example of the pressure getting to you. This is what a choke is. Not being found out at all- that's probably the wrong words sorry, but failing to live up to your own standards or expectations in a pressure situation. Missing a put, finding the water. All these things happen, but on an 18th hole when you need a par to win- that's a choke. Williamson's dismissal was particularly soft. Fantastic players, but we were lucky, very lucky that our other players stood up and had second lives!

All Blacks choked a bit at the last WC final, but were lucky to meet a French side who couldn't capitalise on their mistakes as previous teams have done. 

Don't think this means I think any less of Williamson or McCullum as players- there record stands there to be counted- but that they failed to play a decisive hand in a key game, when they have done so so frequently recentlyand the opposition would be afraid that they would.

martinb edited March 22, 2015 09:55
aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
martinb wrote:

this is the thing. The press have been fapping over Williamson and to a lesser extent BMac for the whole tournament so far. But it comes down to one knockout innings. Both choked today or were found out. 

And I suppose we shouldn't forget that Guppy has got lucky twice. the LBW and the dropped catch. 

but on the statistical trend his next innings is likely to be over 300 just on his own...

Someone who doesn't understand cricket.

Quarter finals. The two key players that we have looked to to play decisive innings got out cheaply, without either getting us off to a particularly quick start or building a partnership.

At that point their ability to influence the game and tournament with the bat was over. Since neither has really failed in this tournament I'd call it a choke. It could have been a much more costly failure than it was.

The thing about cricket is that you sometimes fail.  Even if you are in good form and things are going well, you can go out.  This failure in a one off innings does not imply choking, or being found out.  To suggest otherwise with no other evidence is ridiculous.

If the failure in one innings knocks you out of a World Cup, yep I consider it a choke. Look at the quarter finals. Dropping a catch is something that sometimes happens. But to do it in a quarter final is an example of the pressure getting to you. This is what a choke is. Not being found out at all, but failing to live up to your own standards or expectations in a pressure situation. Missing a put, finding the water. All these things happen, but on an 18th hole when you need a par to win- that's a choke. Williamson's dismissal was particularly soft. Fantastic players, but we were lucky, very lucky that our other players stood up and had second lives!

All Blacks choked a bit at the last WC final, but were lucky to meet a French side who couldn't capitalise on their mistakes as previous teams have done.