thought both those spinners are great. They have control and importantly unlike sandtner can actually spin the ball
As for long hop, full toss Ish, hope he never comes back to test cricket if we have these two
Same would apply to Astle
Wrist spinning is a seriously difficult craft. Ish has done well amongst all these different formats. Harsh. Most don't have wrists like Warne.
"It's difficult" doesn't really cut it as an excuse for international sport. He has done well in the 20/20 format, but his record in test cricket is horrendous.