Watching Patel "bat"...
Its Summer! - the Fever Cricket Thread.
I like Patel, but I actually agree with Simon Doull in that he should never wear the Silver Fern again for repeating that absolutely gutless display with the bat. Show some balls and get in line. To continue to just back away and expose his stumps like that is just an awful symbol of our complete and utter capitulation.
Hesson looks like he should have a big Z on his forehead
I like Patel, but I actually agree with Simon Doull in that he should never wear the Silver Fern again for repeating that absolutely gutless display with the bat. Show some balls and get in line. To continue to just back away and expose his stumps like that is just an awful symbol of our complete and utter capitulation.
My father made exactly this point. He said that in his day if a batsman showed an overfondness for backing away to the quicks the coach would bang a stake into the ground just outside leg stump and tie the batsman's leg to it with a short length of cord, then direct the quicks to keep chucking them down until he showed some balls and got in line.
If anything Patel will probably be sent for some sort of one on one counseling with a sports psychologist.
"Patel...well let's forget about him...the way he's been backing away off the quicks...it's just a matter of time..."
Ouch!
I like Patel, but I actually agree with Simon Doull in that he should never wear the Silver Fern again for repeating that absolutely gutless display with the bat. Show some balls and get in line. To continue to just back away and expose his stumps like that is just an awful symbol of our complete and utter capitulation.
I like Patel, but I actually agree with Simon Doull in that he should never wear the Silver Fern again for repeating that absolutely gutless display with the bat. Show some balls and get in line. To continue to just back away and expose his stumps like that is just an awful symbol of our complete and utter capitulation.
I like Patel, but I actually agree with Simon Doull in that he should never wear the Silver Fern again for repeating that absolutely gutless display with the bat. Show some balls and get in line. To continue to just back away and expose his stumps like that is just an awful symbol of our complete and utter capitulation.
Fair enough that the fans are already angry at the team and I think that's why he's copping it here but what is more disgraceful is the actual batsmen. I suggest people direct their anger to the appropriate players. Afterall none of you have (although not paid to) had to face up to the fastest bowlers in the world either. Jeets is not paid as a batsmen.
I like Patel, but I actually agree with Simon Doull in that he should never wear the Silver Fern again for repeating that absolutely gutless display with the bat. Show some balls and get in line. To continue to just back away and expose his stumps like that is just an awful symbol of our complete and utter capitulation.
Fair enough that the fans are already angry at the team and I think that's why he's copping it here but what is more disgraceful is the actual batsmen. I suggest people direct their anger to the appropriate players. Afterall none of you have (although not paid to) had to face up to the fastest bowlers in the world either. Jeets is not paid as a batsmen.
I like Patel, but I actually agree with Simon Doull in that he should never wear the Silver Fern again for repeating that absolutely gutless display with the bat. Show some balls and get in line. To continue to just back away and expose his stumps like that is just an awful symbol of our complete and utter capitulation.
Fair enough that the fans are already angry at the team and I think that's why he's copping it here but what is more disgraceful is the actual batsmen. I suggest people direct their anger to the appropriate players. Afterall none of you have (although not paid to) had to face up to the fastest bowlers in the world either. Jeets is not paid as a batsmen.
yep- and he seemed to score more runs than those who got in line and got out first ball. I've got no problem with it, considering nothing else was working. If he'd scored a quick 35 we'd all be happy. The guy can bat, and is being scapegoated.
Franklin was the disgraceful one to my mind- had won the moral battle with Stein by getting him away for a boundary and then holed out. Plus he didn't seem able to play the short ball.
http://nzsportsnews.tumblr.com/post/40416084551/mccullum-bowlers-arent-doing-enough-with-the-bat Lols!
I wouldn't call him a coward, but I maintain it was a gutless display. I don't think that is a personal attack. As I said, I think he has been pretty unfairly treated throughout his career bowling wise, but it is just incredibly frustrating when a guy who I know can bat does that. Same reason I get frustrated with Southee getting out slogging in a lot of situations - it is clear he has more ability than that.
Neither have I, thats why I always thought he should be used as night watchman when he was playing - he always seemed technically sound. (From memory he did that reasonably successfully a couple of times). Thus the total frustration!
I wouldn't call him a coward, but I maintain it was a gutless display. I don't think that is a personal attack. As I said, I think he has been pretty unfairly treated throughout his career bowling wise, but it is just incredibly frustrating when a guy who I know can bat does that. Same reason I get frustrated with Southee getting out slogging in a lot of situations - it is clear he has more ability than that.
I agree. He can be the nicest guy imaginable but as you said before it's the symbolic nature of the surrender that makes it humiliating and in a subtle way damaging to team morale.
I was thinking about Ewan Chatfield today, an awful batsman, but one who always tried to sell his wicket dearly, even after nearly being killed by a bouncer in the 70s. His innings back in '85 when he and Coney put on 50 for the last wicket against the Pakistan quicks to win the test was an example of the kind of determination which seems to be sadly lacking nowadays.
edit: not technically the last wicket of course, but since Cairns had to retire hurt concussed by a bouncer it made Chatfield's effort all the braver!
Thank fuck that series is over.
Thank fuck that series is over.
I meant the test series is over.
Couldn't give a shit about the ODI's.
Radiosport and Kepler Wessels now ...is New Zealand worthy of Zimbabwe and Bangladesh cricketing levels?
Good interview btw...
Test team I would pick for England (Assuming all fit and available)
Watling
McCullum
Williamson (Sinclair if Ryder not available, and Williamson 5 - yes, I went there, i'm that desperate)
Taylor (c)
Ryder
Brownlie
Ronchi (wk)
Vetorri (Astle if not available)
Southee
Bracewell
Boult
I don't think we need 4 seamers in NZ, and Ryder will suffice or even Brownlie if desperate.
Test team I think they will pick:
Fulton (Oh God why)
Brownlie/Guptill
McCullum (c) because he doesn't like opening anymore, bored of that.
Taylor
Williamson
Watling (wk)
Munro
Vetorri (who the hell knows if he's not available, all we know is it won't be Patel or Martin, because apparently we can't use the same spinners for two series in a row.)
Southee
Bracewell
Boult
With all this talk making it seem pretty much a fait-accomplis that McCullum will be no longer opening, I just don't see how he can fit into our middle order. Assuming Watling shifts to open you have Williamson 3, Taylor 4, Brownlie 5, Allrounder X 6, Ronchi 7 (unless you shift Brownlie to open as well, which would seem crazy to me). This gets even worse if Ryder is back, as suddenly you have Williamson, Taylor, Ryder, McCullum and Brownlie fighting for 3 middle order spots (or 4 if Ryder is used as our 4th seamer).
The only way I could see it getting easier would be if they make Watling open & keep...Then you have that extra spot at 7 for the All rounder, and then Williamson, McCullum, Taylor, Brownlie in places 3-6 (assuming Ryder doesn't return yet).
But it gets even worse if the reports of Peter Fulton as an opening option came about (dear God I hope not)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8178734/McCullum-no-lock-to-open-against-England
Going by what Hesson has been saying it sounds like they will be reluctant to drop anyone or change too much because they want to give the players more time to learn from their (albeit poor) experiences playing. They are talking about moving McCullum down though so that could be the interesting change, who opens then? Seems like we have a team of middle order batsmen but no one who can do the job the job at the top. Been like that for some time.
In saying that Taylor will come back so it's about who replaces him really. If Ryder comes back he replaces Munro and bats ahead of Watling.
The only way I could see it getting easier would be if they make Watling open & keep...Then you have that extra spot at 7 for the All rounder, and then Williamson, McCullum, Taylor, Brownlie in places 3-6 (assuming Ryder doesn't return yet).
But it gets even worse if the reports of Peter Fulton as an opening option came about (dear God I hope not)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8178734/McCullum-no-lock-to-open-against-England
The only way I could see it getting easier would be if they make Watling open & keep...Then you have that extra spot at 7 for the All rounder, and then Williamson, McCullum, Taylor, Brownlie in places 3-6 (assuming Ryder doesn't return yet).
But it gets even worse if the reports of Peter Fulton as an opening option came about (dear God I hope not)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8178734/McCullum-no-lock-to-open-against-England
The only way I could see it getting easier would be if they make Watling open & keep...Then you have that extra spot at 7 for the All rounder, and then Williamson, McCullum, Taylor, Brownlie in places 3-6 (assuming Ryder doesn't return yet).
But it gets even worse if the reports of Peter Fulton as an opening option came about (dear God I hope not)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8178734/McCullum-no-lock-to-open-against-England
So it seems like: Fulton, Guptil, Williamson, Taylor, McCullum, Watling, Vettori, Southee, Bracewell, Boult?
With Brownlie being dumped even though he got a century, that would be hugely harsh on him, but if Fulton is in I can't see them dropping Williamson, unless the drop is Guptil, but that would mean Watling opening and Ronchi keeping, which again leaves Brownlie out of the team. If Vettori is not back would that be Astle? or Jeets?
So it seems like: Fulton, Guptil, Williamson, Taylor, McCullum, Watling, Vettori, Southee, Bracewell, Boult?
With Brownlie being dumped even though he got a century, that would be hugely harsh on him, but if Fulton is in I can't see them dropping Williamson, unless the drop is Guptil, but that would mean Watling opening and Ronchi keeping, which again leaves Brownlie out of the team. If Vettori is not back would that be Astle? or Jeets?
So it seems like: Fulton, Guptil, Williamson, Taylor, McCullum, Watling, Vettori, Southee, Bracewell, Boult?
With Brownlie being dumped even though he got a century, that would be hugely harsh on him, but if Fulton is in I can't see them dropping Williamson, unless the drop is Guptil, but that would mean Watling opening and Ronchi keeping, which again leaves Brownlie out of the team. If Vettori is not back would that be Astle? or Jeets?
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