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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
couldnt find if there was another cycling thread

i see tour de france champion contodor has tested positive for drug steroids.

huge surprise that..


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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Down hill mountainbikers at Karori Park this weekend has far more credibility than the Tour..get yourselves there!
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Downey26 wrote:
couldnt find if there was another cycling thread

i see tour de france champion contodor has tested positive for drug steroids.

huge surprise that..


 
sorry are you being ironic or actually surprised? I always work on the theory they all take drugs so its a level playing field. And as a true tour addict I figure that even with drugs most of us cd never achieve what they do so they are still supurb athletes. I really like Contador and this won;t change my image of him and I always liked Landis too. I've also always believed Lance Armstrong won all his tours chemicly enhanced but finding out one way or the other wdnt change the fact I can't stand him
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HarryHotspur wrote:
Down hill mountainbikers at Karori Park this weekend has far more credibility than the Tour..get yourselves there!
 
I also like Michael Rasmussen who once won the mountain bike world championships then was caught up in drug controversery in 2002 then kicked out of the 2007 tour while leading. Professional Mountain biking has as many caught drug cheats as road cycling its just not publicised as much since the sport doesnt have the same following as the big tours
 
but lol yeah Karori Park will be supa muddy for this weekend and fun to watch/particpate in
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think even computer talk can't disguise the sarcasm of D26s   statement SK!
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stealthkiwi wrote:
HarryHotspur wrote:
Down hill mountainbikers at Karori Park this weekend has far more credibility than the Tour..get yourselves there!



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I also like Michael Rasmussen who once won the mountain bike world championships then was caught up in drug controversery in 2002 then kicked out of the 2007 tour while leading. Professional Mountain biking has as many caught drug cheats as road cycling its just not publicised as much since the sport doesnt have the same following as the big tours

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but lol yeah Karori Park will be supa muddy for this weekend and fun to watch/particpate in


I've no doubt MTB has as many drug cheats as Roadies...just don't think you'll find many of the folks at Karori Park are part of that
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
you never know - some people are nicely still naive and many people don't know much about how hard the tour'd'france is so never understand why drugs might be such a lure to a supposed professional athlete
 
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
and while this thread is back up good luck to Greg Hendersen, Julian Dean and Hayden Roulston on Sunday for the World Championship Road Race in Melbourne
 
and a huge congrats to kiwi Linda Villumsen who just got the bronze in the Elite women's time trial at the world champs that finished in the last half hour and bloody hell how cool is it that a 51yr old woman came fifth - take a bow Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli of France
stealthkiwi2010-09-30 14:44:53
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Welcome to the first stage of 2011's Tour'd'france. Only kiwi racing this year is Julian Dean on Team Garmin being lead out men for Thor Hushold & Tylar Farrar. After a typically crashed full first stage the winner of the stage was Phillip Gilbert and aussie Cadel Evens came 2nd. because of the huge crash within the last 20 km many of the GC contenders for the yellow jersey are already time behind
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Gilbert was favourite for the stage, but the main boost went to Evans and Schleck, plus maybe even Tony Martin. Makes for an exciting race
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Julian Dean has become just the second Kiwi to win a stage in the Tour de France. New Zealand's Julian Dean was among those praised as Thor Hushovd swapped his world champion's jersey for the Tour de France yellow.

Hushovd gave thanks to his Garmin-Cervelo team mates - including Dean - who won the 23km second stage of the race, a time trial.

The American team covered the windswept course in 24 minutes 48 seconds, at an average speed of 55.6 kph, beating another American outfit, BMC, by four seconds, while British Team Sky were third in the same time.

It will defanitly be an interesting race this year with last year's GC winner Alberto Contador currently only at 75th place with a time gap of 1min 42secs behind strong mtn climbers like Cadel Evans and Frank & Andy Schleck
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Helped Farrer win stage and Hushovd retain the yellow last night. Did anyone watch it?
His reputation will be rising all the time.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah I watched it :)

this is my first tour with MYSKY and man its great tho I'll still watch all the mtn stages live cause jeez they wdn't get up the col's without me rooting them along

Julian Dean has had a great rep for years both as a lead out man a strong cyclist in his own right. last year i was hoping they'd let him go all out for his own stage wins when his sprinter dropped out but he graciously threw himself into what was decided wd be best for the team
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shortest but probably most important and one of the hardest stages showing live right now. The tour shd be decided today but wih Evens being a way better time trialist than either of the Schleck's it might not be decided till after tomorrow's tt. From a starting pack of 198 there are only 168 riders left in the race including kiwi Julian Dean. Some politician in Oz is trying to talk the govt into a public holiday if Cadel Evens does win the tour - thats how big a day it wd be for an antipodean to win such a major sporting event - but I still can't stand him
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Did the public holiday in Aus happen? I watched half of the above stage but couldn't make it right through.
Probably one of the more interesting tours for a while though I reckon? Certainly one of the closest ones (result only decided on the 2nd to last stage).
Not a lot has been made in NZ media about Julian Dean being part of the winning team. Seems a bit strange given that NZ media usually jump at anything like that.
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well Julian Dean's position is as lead out man to Garmin's sprinter Tylar Farrar who had a mediocre tour (8th overall in the points classification) so technicly Dean didn't do half as good a job as the tour before. This year the sprint points changed a bit but were still dominated by the pairing of aussie leadouter Mark Renshaw with sprinter Mark Cavendish. In fact on one stage Dean was the last to finish but he's still a great kiwi cyclist and he's finished a few tours now. Is a pity Hayden  Roulston wasn't picked for the Sky team but they did a pretty solid tour with their selections
 
Also the best team is rarely a team that has won a major jersey as those teams wear out their riders protecting or helping the jersey contedor. Garmin won by having their top 3 riders come in
9th Thomas Danielson
17th Christian Vande Velde
18th Ryder Hesjedal
stealthkiwi2011-07-26 10:31:26
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Thanks, that is interesting. That is the thing about TDF it has so many levels going on!
Btw. Did it have nothing to do with Hushovd, cos he had a fairly useful tour (a number of stage wins and held the yellow for quite a while)? I thought JD helped him out? But I might be wrong there.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Is Roulston on team sky? I thought that was Henderson? And he didn't make it because they took Edvald Boassan Hagen instead?
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Doh... yeah Roulston is actually HTC and Hendersen Team Sky.
 
Yeah I thought Thor Hushold did a wicked job this tour. He managed to rumble on the medium mtn stages way better than expected and he always seems  a genuinely nice bloke too - must have been hard for him & Boasson Hagen cycling that last stage with whats going on back in their home country Norway
 
 
yeah I love the tour cause it's so incredibly tactical hour to hour depending on wether a team has a jersey or going for a stage win or trying to slow things down for a possible GC run in the mtn stages etc. plus even with all the drug controversy it still has all these sporting codes of conduct re the peleton not attacking the leader and waiting for crashes/ nature breaks etc. people who see it as a straight race frm start to finish have no idea of how intricately a team manager has to plot and plan and shuffle etc
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I still think he's ungraciousess and a bit of a twat but hey it's good to see any kiwi or aussie sportsman in a non oval ball sport celebrated like  this

hopefully it will inspire other young cyclists that we can hold out own on the world stage
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Heard that Jesse Sargeant won a stage in the Netherlands, not a major tour, but good on him
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stealthkiwi wrote:
I still think he's ungraciousess and a bit of a twat but hey it's good to see any kiwi or aussie sportsman in a non oval ball sport celebrated like�

thishopefully it will inspire other young cyclists that we can hold out own on the world stage


I saw a full interview on Fox sports with him and not once was he ungracious. As for being a twat, probably would not be if he was from Gisborne etc.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:
stealthkiwi wrote:
I still think he's ungraciousess and a bit of a twat but hey it's good to see any kiwi or aussie sportsman in a non oval ball sport celebrated like 

thishopefully it will inspire other young cyclists that we can hold out own on the world stage


I saw a full interview on Fox sports with him and not once was he ungracious. As for being a twat, probably would not be if he was from Gisborne etc.


last year he was rude to the media for 99% of the tour and came off as an arrogant brat (in the spirit of Armstrong at his peak). he'd push and shove and have minders blocking everyone to getting to him and was generally grumpy the whole tour as was doing it hard after a cpl of falls... unlike Contador this year who also fell and didn't perform like expected but who never acted the diva

The twat terminology was originally awarded by HN but hey if the hat fits...
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