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Posted September 10, 2015 02:32 · last edited September 10, 2015 02:32

Ryan wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Red Peak's at 35k on their petition. At least people are now involved. It took horendous and tacky choices to get people off their asses.

If Social media was an accurate reflection of the Nations thinking, Labour and the Greens would have won the last election by an absolute landslide

I'm not saying it would win, I'm just saying that it has enough support to warrant taking out one of the silverfern ones and replacing it with redpeak.

The nations opinion is that this is a farce and to keep the current flag. At least there is some interest and debate now.

My original point still stands, how many of the 35000 that signed that petition bothered to participate in the process? To have a say during the consultation process

Does it matter? The government didn't do a good job of engaging the populous. People only realised that they should be involved when they saw how dreadful the designs that were chosen were.

It does matter cause Kiwis are apathetic to most things and leave it to the last minute. We are great at never getting tickets in advance for anything and leave it to the last minute (and then grizzle about the massive queues at Eden Park) because we have a 'she'll be right' attitude as someone else said. The fact of the matter is that the opportunity to engage from the get go was there and most people went 'yeah I'll get around to it' and now that they have pulled finger out of their ass, they are outraged? If they really cared, they would have gotten outraged earlier.

Where I do agree with you is that the engagement with the population and execution of this has not been great. It needed more time to dwell on the 40 options. I would have left them up for 3 months at a minimum. Like I say to people that want to get tattoos, draw them on your arm with a marker pen everyday for 3 months and then tell me after that if you still like it and still want it.

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Jeff Vader edited September 10, 2015 02:32
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:

Red Peak's at 35k on their petition. At least people are now involved. It took horendous and tacky choices to get people off their asses.

If Social media was an accurate reflection of the Nations thinking, Labour and the Greens would have won the last election by an absolute landslide

I'm not saying it would win, I'm just saying that it has enough support to warrant taking out one of the silverfern ones and replacing it with redpeak.

The nations opinion is that this is a farce and to keep the current flag. At least there is some interest and debate now.

My original point still stands, how many of the 35000 that signed that petition bothered to participate in the process? To have a say during the consultation process

Does it matter? The government didn't do a good job of engaging the populous. People only realised that they should be involved when they saw how dreadful the designs that were chosen were.

It does matter cause Kiwis are apathetic to most things and leave it to the last minute. We are great and never getting tickets in advance for anything and leave it to the last minute (and then grizzle about the massive queues at Eden Park). The fact of the matter is that the opportunity to engage from the get go was there and most people went 'yeah I'll get around to it' and now that they have pulled finger out of their ass, they are outraged? If they really cared, they would have gotten outraged earlier.

Where I do agree with you is that the engagement with the population and execution of this has not been great. It needed more time to dwell on the 40 options. I would have left them up for 3 months at a minimum. Like I say to people that want to get tattoos, draw them on your arm with a marker pen everyday for 3 months and then tell me after that if you still like it and still want it.