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Paula Bennett

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Lonegunmen wrote:
Politicians and any oither civil servant whom are paid by tax payers have their salaries and benefits open for public viewing and scrutiney, so why can't beneficiaries? They are after all being paid by the tax payer and are in the same position.
 


Not true.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Excellent quote from Bernard Darnton on the issue:

"Welcome to the welfare state: Give a man a fish and he'll demand chips too."


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money where ya mouth is

if we are in a recession
if the best really rise to the top
if money is the standard of success

then practice what you preach

the Minister of Finance his accommodation allowance is more than that bird gets full stop
he is already on +$250000 P.A.

the Welfare State is not for either the deserving or the needy
it's function is to keep the rich where they are
riding the pigs back
snouts in the trough





E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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What I love about the pollies is the air of indignation when they state 'I am only claiming what I am entitled to'

It's been covered at great length by the UK press, this bizarre compulsion of public officials to claim everything they legally can.

They reckoned in the UK the Tories did it because of their perceived entitlement as the aristo's - landed gentry class. Whereas Labour MPs did it - because after coming up through working class environments, they're like kids with a free run at the chocolate shop, make the most whilst they can.

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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While Labour quite possibly did similar, they also demoted two MP's because they were claiming an out of town allowance (whatever it is) when they actually lived in Wellington. This seems to be what Bill English basically might be doing. Though maybe he's covered his tracks better.
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whether he's covered his tracks or not is not the point
if I campaign on belt tightening, cost cutting, getting rid of wasteful spending and then grab $900/week in accommodation supplement on top of my $270000 PA I fail every objective test of practicing what I preach.

It's as bad as say championing a great footballer, like say Obafemi Martins, then not putting him in your Fantasy League side.




E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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Agreed. And one of these places is being paid by Parliamentary Services. Which I think means we are paying them a accommodation supplement, and paying again to rent their other house. Or something like that. And a couple of the places owned by these MPs are being rented to other MPs - all pretty weird looking. And it looked like they were moving to better houses to get a bigger supplement. Hardly what the point of the supplement is.

And English got his house changed to his wifes name a couple of years back - that must have helped him claim more money. When asked, I heard him say he couldn't really remember why they did that. Sorry, but he's either onto it enough to know why he did something major like that, or too stupid to be running the nations finances.
 
I can accept MPs being looked after to keep their families together - but this is just a rort.
 
Heard that in 1979 MPs got paid as much as a senior sorta teacher. Well obviously it's waaayy more now. Hmmm, funny how they gave themselves big pay rises, and not other peoples pay who they had control over.
 
Both of the major parties guilty.
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Colvinator wrote:
And English got his house changed to his wifes name a couple of years back - that must have helped him claim more money. When asked, I heard him say he couldn't really remember why they did that. Sorry, but he's either onto it enough to know why he did something major like that, or too stupid to be running the nations finances.


Not quite right.  the house in Karori is owned by his family trust.  He removed himself as a benefactor of that family trust soon after the election.  Which means the amount he is allowed to collect as an accomadation allowance is higher than the if he was a benefactor.
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Not sure - TV 3 said that tonight:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Investigation-reveals-more-National-MPs-rorting-the-system/tabid/370/articleID/115208/cat/67/Default.aspx
 
I'm not going to rule out being wrong because of sloppy journalism though... I don't think the distinction is that important anyway, but is good to get these things right.
 
I just sorta realised how amazing the amounts are. Like, well more than I get paid just on their housing allowances, on top of their large wages. Boggling.
Colvinator2009-08-04 23:04:13
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Whats new MPs lining there pockets,know there is a new concept.NOT Fact is Field is the only one who has been stupid enough to get caught.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Colvinator wrote:
Not sure - TV 3 said that tonight:
http://www.3news.co.nz/Investigation-reveals-more-National-MPs-rorting-the-system/tabid/370/articleID/115208/cat/67/Default.aspx
 
I'm not going to rule out being wrong because of sloppy journalism though... I don't think the distinction is that important anyway, but is good to get these things right.
 
I just sorta realised how amazing the amounts are. Like, well more than I get paid just on their housing allowances, on top of their large wages. Boggling.
 
What that video said about English is practically the same as i mentioned before.
 
Btw i wouldn't exactly sayMPs have large wages considering the hour most of them put in.
2ndBest2009-08-05 09:18:54
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What I think is a joke is the excuse that it's 'too difficult' to ensure that air points that are collected by MPs travelling on parliamentary business don't go to the MPs themselves. When all their travel is booked by parliamentary services, the same people who ensure that all air points collected by civil servants don't go to the civil servants but back to parliamentary services to defray the costs of further travel to the ministries.

The excuse is such a lame arse, bullsh*t one it's unbelievable.

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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I still think it's the credibility gap that is the problem.
Don't campaign on wasteful Government Spending when your first to the trough.


E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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you get what you pay for- frankly im glad the government isnt made of mostly paupers and nutters. who else would do the thankless job if it didnt pay well?
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No problem with it paying well.  I agree with you on that Uber.  But it would be nice if what they were paid was transparent...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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All state sector jobs get no payrise at the end of this financial year(including me!) then Politicians take an 8% rise.
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Actually that is quite true Tyler. There is a blanket breeze on all pay across the state sector. Some Ministry have said there will be no payrise.  Some are looking at small increases.
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Im glad my wife got a 10% increase last year, this way it averages out @ 5% a year
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UberGunner wrote:
you get what you pay for- frankly im glad the government isnt made of mostly paupers and nutters. who else would do the thankless job if it didnt pay well?
 
The Green Party !
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so did anyone hear about what PB said on Breakfast today?

apparantely there is a job out there for each and everyone of us. Ok Paula, not sure what planet you are living on....

http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/breakfast-wednesday-march-24-3429933/video?vid=3430036

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Oceanic6 wrote:
so did anyone hear about what PB said on Breakfast today?

apparantely there is a job out there for each and everyone of us. Ok Paula, not sure what planet you are living on....

http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/breakfast-wednesday-march-24-3429933/video?vid=3430036



Funny, I'm looking for a part time job, I can't find one. Note: If someone on Yellow Fever owns a shop and has a part time job for a uni student pm me.
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yeah that was bit of a stupid thing to say. but i like the changes,doesnt mean you have to get a job,just that you have to actively seek one or your benefit gets cut. no more dole bludging yay.

Allegedly

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the changes are good, you don't have to actually succeed in getting a job, just prove you are trying to get one.


It means no one can have children for a living anymore.
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Yeah, but are you obliged to accept any job you are offered?

You should still be able to choose something that suits you.
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Bevan wrote:
Yeah, but are you obliged to accept any job you are offered?You should still be able to choose something that suits you.


Within reason.

I.E. shift work so you never see your kids, not expected. Job at Maccas while your kids are at school, expected.
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CboZ wrote:
Oceanic6 wrote:
so did anyone hear about what PB said on Breakfast today?

apparantely there is a job out there for each and everyone of us. Ok Paula, not sure what planet you are living on....

http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/breakfast-wednesday-march-24-3429933/video?vid=3430036



Funny, I'm looking for a part time job, I can't find one. Note: If someone on Yellow Fever owns a shop and has a part time job for a uni student pm me.
 
Are you receiving a benefit?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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brumbys wrote:
Bevan wrote:
Yeah, but are you obliged to accept any job you are offered?You should still be able to choose something that suits you.


Within reason.

I.E. shift work so you never see your kids, not expected. Job at Maccas while your kids are at school, expected.
 
But what if that choice doesn't exist?
 
What if it's a choice between shift work or no work?  Should someone be able to 'choose' the dole over working in order to spend time with their kids?
 
I'm not sure.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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I think the length of time one is unemployed should be considered. People should be given a reasonable amount of time to get their sh*t together and find a suitable job. And should they turn down a certain number of acceptable roles then the changes should kick in

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Smithy wrote:
CboZ wrote:
Oceanic6 wrote:
so did anyone hear about what PB said on Breakfast today? apparantely there is a job out there for each and everyone of us. Ok Paula, not sure what planet you are living on.... http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/breakfast-wednesday-march-24-3429933/video?vid=3430036
Funny, I'm looking for a part time job, I can't find one. Note: If someone on Yellow Fever owns a shop and has a part time job for a uni student pm me.

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Are you receiving a benefit?


haha, I wish..... Student Loan Living costs.
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Smithy wrote:
brumbys wrote:
Bevan wrote:
Yeah, but are you obliged to accept any job you are offered?You should still be able to choose something that suits you.


Within reason.

I.E. shift work so you never see your kids, not expected. Job at Maccas while your kids are at school, expected.
 
But what if that choice doesn't exist?
 
What if it's a choice between shift work or no work?  Should someone be able to 'choose' the dole over working in order to spend time with their kids?
 
I'm not sure.
 
My understanding is thats what is happening.
 
You have to actively seek and acceptable and suitable job. So Solo mums with kids,obviously wouldnt be expected to take a job outside of the time their kids are at school. They may get offered jobs from 5-10pm at night,but wouldnt be penalised for not taking them on the grounds that they have to look after their kids then,and any potential income from that would also be offset by having to pay childcare,so theyd be worse off etc. But if they found a job for them at their kids school as a receptionist with hours from 9 till 3,then obviously theyd be expected to take it. Turning down repeated job offers like this would result in a reduction of their benefit,which i think is fair enough.
 
The changes have more flexibility than some are making it out to have. Anyone can feel free to prove me wrong on this though.

Allegedly

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Bevan wrote:
Yeah, but are you obliged to accept any job you are offered?

You should still be able to choose something that suits you.
Id say thats where the time issue and common sense comes in. An engineer who is just laid off and looking for a job in his field,it wouldnt be reasonable to expect him to take a job at maccas a week after being laid off,time would be given.
 
A guy who has been turning down jobs for over a year because he wants to be an astronaught however would get his dole cut.

Allegedly

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What did I hear about that DPB earners will, once their youngest child has turned 6 years old, have to seek work/part time work??
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Essentially yes.
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If I was an employer I wdn't hire a mother over anyone else suitable for a job. We have a mother at my work who works 9-2.30 and has done so for years but truthfully even tho I'm female I resent that she takes so much time off whenever one of her kids are sick and she gets a large amount of school holidays off
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So then if I wsnted to be a Proffessional DPBer (there is a possibility there are some out there), every time a child of mine hit 5 years, I'd get pregant again, get state help, get an increase in my DPB for the extra child and not have to seek/ get part-time work.
 
Great encouragement......if I wanted to be a professional DPBer.
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Lonegunmen wrote:
So then if I wsnted to be a Proffessional DPBer (there is a possibility there are some out there), every time a child of mine hit 5 years, I'd get pregant again, get state help, get an increase in my DPB for the extra child and not have to seek/ get part-time work.
 
Great encouragement......if I wanted to be a professional DPBer.
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Or they could adopt out their kids, get married and then become widowed

Whole thing is a shambles:
[quote]In a report just tabled in Parliament, Attorney-General Chris Finlayson says the reforms breach the Bill of Rights Act on three grounds by discriminating on the basis of sex and family and marital status.
Widowed men with children cannot get the widows benefit (WB) - which will not be work-tested - but can get the domestic purposes benefit-solo parent (DPB-SP), which will come under the new regime.

"The introduction of the part-time work test for the DPB-SP for people caring for children over the age of six, but not the WB, means that widowers are subject to additional obligations and associated sanctions. This is a distinction based on sex," Mr Finlayson finds.

The distinction between DPB recipients with children over six and women on the widow's benefit also discriminated on the basis of marital status as solo parents who had always been single or lost their partner through divorce or separation faced work tests, but not those who were widowed.

There was also discrimination on the basis of family status as women on the domestic purposes benefit-women alone did not face work tests, while those with children over six did.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/3501092/Govt-faulted-on-welfare-changes
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Lonegunmen wrote:
So then if I wsnted to be a Proffessional DPBer (there is a possibility there are some out there), every time a child of mine hit 5 years, I'd get pregant again, get state help, get an increase in my DPB for the extra child and not have to seek/ get part-time work.
 
Great encouragement......if I wanted to be a professional DPBer.
You could but I think the Government is aware that there  is always going to be a small group within the system who will go to great lengths the avoid becoming part of the paid work force and who would much rather live of other peoples taxes. 
I think the latest rule changes are about reducing that group and discouraging young people in particular from seeing the welfare system as a life choice rather than what it was originaly intened to be , a means of helping someone through a financialy  difficult period in their life.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
So then if I wsnted to be a Proffessional DPBer (there is a possibility there are some out there), every time a child of mine hit 5 years, I'd get pregant again, get state help, get an increase in my DPB for the extra child and not have to seek/ get part-time work.
 
Great encouragement......if I wanted to be a professional DPBer.


Errr you realise you don't make a profit out of having children.  THose DPB mums are living a sh*tty lifestyle.  $272.70 per week is f**k all. 
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stealthkiwi wrote:
If I was an employer I wdn't hire a mother over anyone else suitable for a job. We have a mother at my work who works 9-2.30 and has done so for years but truthfully even tho I'm female I resent that she takes so much time off whenever one of her kids are sick and she gets a large amount of school holidays off


You have a right by law to request flexible time if that is what you want.

Not sure why you resent her for doing that.  It shouldn't mean that more work is lumped on you, and if it is, it should be an issue you should take up with your employer.  It certainly isn't her fault.
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