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Most NZ spoting supporters support many sports.
There's a few people that have posted in this thread that disprove your theory :P
Raised some good points here Ronaldoknow, but i think its just back
to basics. Youll have your Rugby fans and your soccer fans, maybe
even some inbetween, but born a rugby man, die a rubgy man. Theres
no winning in this disbate.
Hate to disagree with you Uncle Steve but I have personal experience of a hard out rugby nut (my father Ronaldoknow Snr) who is now coming to his senses, even ended up Pesident of our local footie club for a while.
Hopefully we can make it to the World Cup again - sooner, rather than later.
Well, we did make the World Cup in '82 and nothing really came of
that. At the time there was insane amounts of interest in football
but that only lasted a short while. Unfortunately we missed an
awesome oppurtunity to further the game in NZ.
I actually think that the opportunity wasn't really there. The football base at the time was quite thin due to our lack of population so that the converts who followed the AW's at the time found it easy to go back to rugby, particularly with the '87 Rugby World cup in site. This was a very smart piece of work by the Rugby Union at the time, aided and abetted by a willing media. The '82 AW's in some ways were a fluke which is why we have struggled to replicate the event (and also why we should always revere them - completely against the odds).
Hopefully we can make it to the World Cup again - sooner, rather than later.
Well, we did make the World Cup in '82 and nothing really came of
that. At the time there was insane amounts of interest in football
but that only lasted a short while. Unfortunately we missed an
awesome oppurtunity to further the game in NZ.
I actually think that the opportunity wasn't really there. The football base at the time was quite thin due to our lack of population so that the converts who followed the AW's at the time found it easy to go back to rugby, particularly with the '87 Rugby World cup in site. This was a very smart piece of work by the Rugby Union at the time, aided and abetted by a willing media. The '82 AW's in some ways were a fluke which is why we have struggled to replicate the event (and also why we should always revere them - completely against the odds).
I read from a few key people in the rugby world, that 82 scared them sh*tless. And they prayed for the AW's to fail in qualifying for Mexico in 86
The upsurge in both Juniors and College Kids (which is where most kids start switching sports) was huge and it only reverted once the AW's were playing badly again.
As I have said in another post, it will take a number of years of success to make a significant difference, results for the AW's like against Georgia and Wales coupled with ongoing success for the Phoenix will be what is required.
Good job I aint a kiwi then
A true kiwi would care
And valeo - all it would take would be for the AB's to choke - like they do at every WC
Thats rubbish all we would get is another 3 years of bitching why
they didnt win the cup.
Call me unpatriotic and all, but it would sort of be good if the
All Blacks play awful at the World Cup and get knocked out at the
group stage because then all of the unloyal rugby fans would leave
their inferior sport and start playing and supporting
football.
Hate to say it but some of you need to get over it,rugby is the main game here even if we were to win the football world cup (as if) that wouldnt change despite what some of you think.
Me im a kiwi and love my football however i do take an interest in the other codes and i feel its this one sided thinking of some football supporters which will not help our game make ground on the other codes.
But in order ranking
1. Football
2. League
3. Rugby (world cup and tri-nations)
I never did understand why rugby is so popular, it is so stop and start compared to league.
I'll watch almost anything - except one sided rugby matches at the
stadium. However as I didn't watch it I'm only assuming it
was one sided.
League is a lot more predictable imo. 4 tackles - kick on 5th. bomb or chip. repeat over and over. Maybe a couple of intercepts.
That's why I prefer union, anyway. It's also a lot more competitive - at the breakdown, lineout and scrums. League doesn't have that type of fighting over posession. It's pretty much just 'you have your turn, then we'll have ours'
Though the thing that sets Football apart from any other sport is the simplicity. There are also barely ever any rule changes or squabbles over the current rules. (the last one was the back pass law I think? Or the clarification of the offisde rule?)
Meh, I like both for different reasons tbh. I grew up playing football but played a bit of rugby at college.
valeo2007-06-10 00:23:37
My favourite sports:
1. Football
2. League
AFL and Gaelic football look alright as well.
In response to Valeo, League is way better to watch then Union.
They don't have to re-do every single scrum, they get on with it,
their are no pretty boys like Dan Carter in it, and their are a lot
of big hits. Did anyone see Melbourne's try last week? It was
absolutely beautiful, the player jumped up to get the ball, he
caught it, then dropped it, and caught it again before hitting the
ground and getting the try - absolute class.
League is for boofheads. Union requires wayyy more thinking. And no pretty boys in league? Uhh, Sonny Bill? Karmichel Hunt? Theres heaps.
and AFL and Gaelic football = pretty much scrag at lunchtime with a few goal posts.
valeo2007-06-11 13:23:05
My favourite sports:
1. Football
2. League
AFL and Gaelic football look alright as well.
In response to Valeo, League is way better to watch then Union.
They don't have to re-do every single scrum, they get on with it,
their are no pretty boys like Dan Carter in it, and their are a lot
of big hits. Did anyone see Melbourne's try last week? It was
absolutely beautiful, the player jumped up to get the ball, he
caught it, then dropped it, and caught it again before hitting the
ground and getting the try - absolute class.
League is for boofheads. Union requires wayyy more thinking. And no pretty boys in league? Uhh, Sonny Bill? Karmichel Hunt? Theres heaps.
and AFL and Gaelic football = pretty much scrag at lunchtime with a few goal posts.
You say that like it's a bad thing...
The crazies who bag another sport are the types that you see
in the stadiums pissed out of there trees watching the other piss
heads fall down the stairs trying to tak another 6 pack to there
seats.
There's a few people that have posted in this thread that disprove your theory :P
I think that the basic premise of this thread is that we will scare
away the fence sitters if we get stuck into them for not showing
support of football over rugby. Seems to be a silly subject to put
up on a pro footie forum to me. Most of the people that contribute
to the debate seem to be fairly committed in their support of the
game in general & the Phoenix in particular. I believe that it
is this enthusiasm that will drive the success of the Nix, even if
it pisses off some people who feel we should remain the soft touch
no name supporters that rugby generally attracts. Is it possible
that the success of rugby has been created by the lack of quality
football in this country in the past? Ronaldoknow2007-06-08
23:50:01
Raised some good points here Ronaldoknow, but i think its just back
to basics. Youll have your Rugby fans and your soccer fans, maybe
even some inbetween, but born a rugby man, die a rubgy man. Theres
no winning in this disbate.
Well, we did make the World Cup in '82 and nothing really came of
that. At the time there was insane amounts of interest in football
but that only lasted a short while. Unfortunately we missed an
awesome oppurtunity to further the game in NZ.
Hopefully we can make it to the World Cup again - sooner, rather than later.
Hopefully we can make it to the World Cup again - sooner, rather than later.
Hate to disagree with you Uncle Steve but I have personal experience of a hard out rugby nut (my father Ronaldoknow Snr) who is now coming to his senses, even ended up Pesident of our local footie club for a while.
Hopefully we can make it to the World Cup again - sooner, rather than later.
I actually think that the opportunity wasn't really there. The football base at the time was quite thin due to our lack of population so that the converts who followed the AW's at the time found it easy to go back to rugby, particularly with the '87 Rugby World cup in site. This was a very smart piece of work by the Rugby Union at the time, aided and abetted by a willing media. The '82 AW's in some ways were a fluke which is why we have struggled to replicate the event (and also why we should always revere them - completely against the odds).
i meant the game is not voilent a one, yea you have to be tough and
footy is a game for men but rugby is 15 or13 men actaully fighting
over a ball. im sorry to cause confusion.
i think that a few rugby heads will come to the games and good for them/team/us but they will soon realise that rugby is stupid and every try is they same...not like every goooooooal you see which is a work of art.
Phuck rugby, they're all the jock dickheads who made fun of people at school and bent over for the teachers
i think that a few rugby heads will come to the games and good for them/team/us but they will soon realise that rugby is stupid and every try is they same...not like every goooooooal you see which is a work of art.
Phuck rugby, they're all the jock dickheads who made fun of people at school and bent over for the teachers
Haha nah i didnt mind them at school. There the kind of guyes who
would throw something at the teacher when theyr not looking and
provide humour in the class haha crak up. Hwever i thnk this is a
boring discussion. Start talking in the other discussions.
I follow football, but every now and again Ill pop down to a Warriors game, beyond that I aint really interested
I guess the moral of the story is that there are ignorant people on
both sides.
I'm not emabarrassed to say on this website that I will be
supporting the ABs 100% in this years World Cup.
Hopefully we can make it to the World Cup again - sooner, rather than later.
I actually think that the opportunity wasn't really there. The football base at the time was quite thin due to our lack of population so that the converts who followed the AW's at the time found it easy to go back to rugby, particularly with the '87 Rugby World cup in site. This was a very smart piece of work by the Rugby Union at the time, aided and abetted by a willing media. The '82 AW's in some ways were a fluke which is why we have struggled to replicate the event (and also why we should always revere them - completely against the odds).
I read from a few key people in the rugby world, that 82 scared them sh*tless. And they prayed for the AW's to fail in qualifying for Mexico in 86
The upsurge in both Juniors and College Kids (which is where most kids start switching sports) was huge and it only reverted once the AW's were playing badly again.
As I have said in another post, it will take a number of years of success to make a significant difference, results for the AW's like against Georgia and Wales coupled with ongoing success for the Phoenix will be what is required.
If the AB's get out in the group stages or won it, either way I
couldnt give a sh*t
I'll be gutted if the ABs don't make it past the group stage
A true kiwi would care
It would take an upset of Senegal v France proportions for the AB's
not to make it out of the group stage :p
And valeo - all it would take would be for the AB's to choke - like they do at every WC
The AB's have choked in pool play before? News to me. :]
And they won the first one :P!
valeo2007-06-09 18:48:42
And they won the first one :P!
valeo2007-06-09 18:48:42
Before professional rugby their was the amatur days, but still the
AB's conquered the world more often than not. Players paying
there own way, football may have to go back to simalar things to
progress beyond also rans.
At least with the nix's we have a target for the youth of
NZ. Some thing the nights lost some years ago. The football fans
regardless of their club affilations must get behind this major
building block in our international future.
Difference between Football and Rugby
Football is a Serious sport. Tradition, rivalry history.A
world game.
Rugby is friday night family entertainment. A mediocre game,
mediocre wages, mediocre sport.
The debate is hardly worth having. Rugbys significane on the
world stage is so far down pecking order who gives a F##k.
Its up to rugby supporters to embrace football if they want. I
ain't gonna plead with them for support and hope to integrate like
a happy family.
The Phoenix will attract fans from all codes based on there
performance and the atmosphere footballl fans create in
Wellington.
Football is the peoples game, so let the people come....
ok stop talking about rugby now
Call me unpatriotic and all, but it would sort of be good if the
All Blacks play awful at the World Cup and get knocked out at the
group stage because then all of the unloyal rugby fans would leave
their inferior sport and start playing and supporting football.
I'll watch almost anything - except one sided rugby matches at the
stadium. However as I didn't watch it I'm only assuming it
was one sided.
But in order ranking
1. Football
2. League
3. Rugby (world cup and tri-nations)
I never did understand why rugby is so popular, it is so stop and start compared to league.
But in order ranking
1. Football
2. League
3. Rugby (world cup and tri-nations)
I never did understand why rugby is so popular, it is so stop and start compared to league.
Hate to say it but some of you need to get over it,rugby is the main game here even if we were to win the football world cup (as if) that wouldnt change despite what some of you think.
Me im a kiwi and love my football however i do take an interest in the other codes and i feel its this one sided thinking of some football supporters which will not help our game make ground on the other codes.
But in order ranking
1. Football
2. League
3. Rugby (world cup and tri-nations)
I never did understand why rugby is so popular, it is so stop and start compared to league.
League is a lot more predictable imo. 4 tackles - kick on 5th. bomb or chip. repeat over and over. Maybe a couple of intercepts.
That's why I prefer union, anyway. It's also a lot more competitive - at the breakdown, lineout and scrums. League doesn't have that type of fighting over posession. It's pretty much just 'you have your turn, then we'll have ours'
Though the thing that sets Football apart from any other sport is the simplicity. There are also barely ever any rule changes or squabbles over the current rules. (the last one was the back pass law I think? Or the clarification of the offisde rule?)
Meh, I like both for different reasons tbh. I grew up playing football but played a bit of rugby at college.
valeo2007-06-10 00:23:37
PHUCK RUGBY!!!!
if we want more people to come its up to us to make the games look as pumping as we can , so we need to get ready to chant our voices away
if we want more people to come its up to us to make the games look as pumping as we can , so we need to get ready to chant our voices away
In response to Valeo, League is way better to watch then Union.
They don't have to re-do every single scrum, they get on with it,
their are no pretty boys like Dan Carter in it, and their are a lot
of big hits. Did anyone see Melbourne's try last week? It was
absolutely beautiful, the player jumped up to get the ball, he
caught it, then dropped it, and caught it again before hitting the
ground and getting the try - absolute class.
My favourite sports:
1. Football
2. League
AFL and Gaelic football look alright as well.
My favourite sports:
1. Football
2. League
AFL and Gaelic football look alright as well.
stick to the script - enough about rugby!
Move Topic out of Nix lines, may be to off topic games!
Blew2007-06-10 19:03:52
My favourite sports:
1. Football
2. League
AFL and Gaelic football look alright as well.
League is for boofheads. Union requires wayyy more thinking. And no pretty boys in league? Uhh, Sonny Bill? Karmichel Hunt? Theres heaps.
and AFL and Gaelic football = pretty much scrag at lunchtime with a few goal posts.
valeo2007-06-11 13:23:05
My favourite sports:
1. Football
2. League
AFL and Gaelic football look alright as well.
League is for boofheads. Union requires wayyy more thinking. And no pretty boys in league? Uhh, Sonny Bill? Karmichel Hunt? Theres heaps.
and AFL and Gaelic football = pretty much scrag at lunchtime with a few goal posts.
Scrag at lunchtime with posts? OK lets compare 5 minutes of
rugby to AFL:
Fitness - while rugby's agrarian apes stand around puffing and
panting after making maybe 10 metres of ground, AFL lad's have not
even been warmed up yet. And tehy are still running around
after 2 hours!
Skills - while commentators declare a kick destined to go into
touch as a "great kick", Aussie Rules requires players to hit a
moving target off either foot over 50+ metres.
Style of play - throwing a ball backwards to go forwards? nuff
said!
Meanwhile, the action can and does go anywhere and everywhere
in a game of AFL, making for a fast flowing, INTERESTING
game.
Tactics: in rugby? "OK lads lets hit the other team as hard as
we can and run into a gap if we see one!"
AFL: Games can actually be won and lost from a coaching box,
requiring discipline from players and managers...
Ironic the dude who started the dont sl*g rugby chants would
dismiss a clearly superior brand of football... ESSENDON FC
PREMIERS 2007!!!
I am told ball in play Rugby is 40 minutes, FIFA wantes
football to pick up a few seconds and break 80.