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Posted November 09, 2024 06:43 · last edited November 09, 2024 06:59

theprof
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When I see all these environmentalists & climate change activists go to China and India and rip them a new one, they will get my respect and support.
But they don't, they pick on the "West" and not address the real causes of climate change. And America is a prime target. Show some consistency activists. Somehow I don't think China nor India give a shark about what you think. Thumberg won't go near those 2 countries.
If you look at greenhouse gas emissions per capita, India has like a quarter their emissions per capita of NZ. There is also the issue of developed nations industrialised emitting the most of the cumulative greenhouse gases - like 25% of cumulative greenhouse gases have been emitted by the USA - now its hard to make industrialisation not available for countries like India when they already emit much less GHG/capita than many developed nations and also have not contributed to the volume of GHG in the atmosphere as other nations.

per capoita is very misleading, theres 5.5m of us and 1.49b of them, even if they are individuallty creating less emmissions as a country they are 100's of times worse than us.
There is little point in NZ being at the leading end of the emmisions, it will make no difference to the ocean levels or air quality globally, and it will cost us as a country mega bucks. The biggest manufacturing countries need to act, ie China, US and India.

And there’s a lot more of us than there is on a Pacific Island, but guess who’s going to pay the highest price?

That’s really a morally bankrupt argument, especially from a country whose security is guaranteed by bigger nations. We collectively guarantee each other’s security through pre-emptively managing crises and through forward defense. Climate change has been a crucial defense issue for years.

If we take the we can’t do anything argument, we’d be be encouraging the big powers to test nukes around here away from major population bases.

What the small population for us means is that collective action, and that usually means government or council action is crucial in reducing our footprint.

In the US single corporations like Amazon, Walmart and others have enough power to make a difference with their actions.

Then as you say inflation is an issue, global supply lines are dicey and NZ gets attacked over ‘food miles.’

It’s easier to say we are 100% pure, if we aren’t 100% pure horse shark like when farmers just lie such as the one about being the world’s most sustainable producers. We’re not. There’s no evidence to support this crock. This matters in many premium export markets. 

It is also going to cost us megabucks if we ditch our Paris agreements as this government is doing. We could be looking at $24 billion. And this government’s plan is just to ignore that. 100%!

The EU is our 4th largest trading partner and we’re benefiting from 91% of that trade being tariff free. And the people who’ll put that at threat? The pigheaded government and businesses who want to pretend there is no climate change. That could be a few more megabucks.

As could a recession if a bunch of assets or enterprises become uninsurable. That’s not even considering damage from extreme weather events such as the flooding and landslides we’ve already seen. 

Then we could see changes in the crops that are supported and drastic changes to the country side. That could be an issue for existing farms and their mortgages.

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theprof
Bullion
LG
When I see all these environmentalists & climate change activists go to China and India and rip them a new one, they will get my respect and support.
But they don't, they pick on the "West" and not address the real causes of climate change. And America is a prime target. Show some consistency activists. Somehow I don't think China nor India give a shark about what you think. Thumberg won't go near those 2 countries.
If you look at greenhouse gas emissions per capita, India has like a quarter their emissions per capita of NZ. There is also the issue of developed nations industrialised emitting the most of the cumulative greenhouse gases - like 25% of cumulative greenhouse gases have been emitted by the USA - now its hard to make industrialisation not available for countries like India when they already emit much less GHG/capita than many developed nations and also have not contributed to the volume of GHG in the atmosphere as other nations.

per capoita is very misleading, theres 5.5m of us and 1.49b of them, even if they are individuallty creating less emmissions as a country they are 100's of times worse than us.
There is little point in NZ being at the leading end of the emmisions, it will make no difference to the ocean levels or air quality globally, and it will cost us as a country mega bucks. The biggest manufacturing countries need to act, ie China, US and India.
 
And there’s a lot more of us than there is on a Pacific Island, but guess who’s going to pay the highest price? 

That’s really a morally bankrupt argument, especially from a country whose security is guaranteed by bigger nations. We collectively guarantee each other’s security through pre-emptively managing crises and through forward defense. Climate change has been a crucial defense issue for years. 

If we take the we can’t do anything argument, we’d be be encouraging the big powers to test nukes around here away from major population bases. 

What the small population for us means is that collective action, and that usually means government or council action is crucial in reducing our footprint. 

In the US single corporations like Amazon, Walmart and others have enough power to make a difference with their actions.

Then as you say inflation is an issue, global supply lines are dicey and NZ gets attacked over ‘food miles.’ 

It’s easier to say we are 100% pure, if we aren’t 100% pure horse shark like when farmers just lie such as the one about being the world’s most sustainable producers. We’re not. There’s no evidence to support this crock. This matters in many premium export markets. 

It is also going to cost us megabucks if we ditch our Paris agreements as this government is doing. We could be looking at $24 billion. And this government’s plan is just to ignore that. 100%!

The EU is our 4th largest trading partner and we’re benefiting from 91% of that trade being tariff free. And the people who’ll put that at threat? The pigheaded government and businesses who want to pretend there is no climate change. That could be a few more megabucks.

As could a recession if a bunch of assets or enterprises become uninsurable. That’s not even considering damage from extreme weather events such as the flooding and landslides we’ve already seen. 

Then we could see changes in the crops that are supported and drastic changes to the country side. That could be an issue for existing farms and their mortgages.