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Gary Sprake aged 71 - Former Leeds united goalkeeper.

Article in the Yorkshire Post;

Gary Sprake, the former Leeds United goalkeeper who has died at the age of 71 and is described by Eddie Gray as “as good as almost any I’ve seen”, was destined to become the black sheep of Don Revie’s stellar squad.

That group were as close as family and still are today but Sprake spent the past 30 years ostracised from his old team-mates. “I’ve learnt to accept I’m not welcome at Leeds,” he told The Independent in 2006, “even though I still have feelings for the club.”

Other members of Revie’s squad took issue with Sprake contributing to an investigation by the Daily Mirror in 1978 which accused Revie of match-fixing and attempting to bribe opposition clubs. Relationships were ruined and some never recovered. Sprake and Gray were reconciled 10 years ago when Sprake was interviewed on BBC Radio Leeds but he remained conspicuous by his absence at the many reunions organised by Revie’s sociable boys.

Speaking today, Gray preferred to remember the hard and agile goalkeeper who played 508 times for Leeds, including one Charity Shield appearance, and played with distinction. Errors went some way to defining Sprake’s career at Elland Road - one in particular in 1967 - but the Welshman was a mainstay for most of Revie’s golden tenure; “instrumental in Leeds winning their earliest trophies,” as Gray puts it.

“For me, he was as good as almost any goalkeeper I’ve seen,” Gray said. “I genuinely mean that. He was unbelievably talented, really he was. People go on about a few of the mistakes he made but I thought he was terrific.”

Sprake, who was born near Swansea in 1945, joined Leeds as an apprentice in 1960 and signed professional forms at Elland Road two years later. His debut came almost immediately amid an injury crisis in 1962, flown from Leeds at short notice for a 4-1 defeat at Southampton, and his pedigree earned him an international debut 12 months later. At the age of 18 he became Wales’ youngster ever keeper but Sprake grew up quickly. The sight of him flattening Bobby Gould with a swift left hook during a game against Arsenal summed up the era and Sprake’s combustive personality.

In the decade that followed, Sprake was Revie’s number one, the last line of defence in a team who won the second division championship in 1964 and, from then on, were never far away from the Division One title. He kept a clean sheet in 1968 as Leeds won the League Cup with a win over Arsenal at Wembley and stood up brilliantly to Ferencvaros in the final of the Fairs Cup later that year, helping to settle that tie with astonishing reflexes.

Those moments often seem lost in time and 1967 witnessed a bizarre event which Sprake would never forget or shake off. Against Liverpool, on a snowy Anfield pitch, he blundered by changing his mind about a quick-throw out and spilling the ball backwards over his shoulder. With the Kop looking on, it trundled into United’s net. Anfield’s stadium announcer played Des O’Connor’s ‘Careless Hands’ at half-time and the Kop sang the lyrics merrily during the second half. Before long, Careless Hands became Sprake’s unwanted nickname. His biography, published in 2006, carried that title.

The jibes overshadowed his very real ability and while some spoke of Sprake as the weak link in Revie’s side, he kept more than 200 clean sheets for the club and set records in the process. Only in the early 1970s did Revie lose faith and turn to David Harvey, spelling the end of Sprake’s career with United. Aggrieved by his demotion, Sprake left for Birmingham City in a £100,000 move in 1973, the highest fee ever paid for a keeper at the time.

“There’s been a lot of rewriting history,” Sprake once said. “How can I be a terrible goalie if I played over 500 games for Leeds, nearly all in the top division? Don Revie was neither a fool nor a bad judge of players.”

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Carlos Alberto 1970 Brazil Captain 

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If not the best, gotta be bloody close to the best team to take to a football pitch

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sthn.jeff wrote:

Carlos Alberto 1970 Brazil Captain 

https://t.co/O4OKPjK9Cs

If not the best, gotta be bloody close to the best team to take to a football pitch

Why can't Finkler do that?

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Carlos Alberto 1970 Brazil Captain 

https://t.co/O4OKPjK9Cs

If not the best, gotta be bloody close to the best team to take to a football pitch

Why can't Finkler do that?

Carlos Alberto was a great player

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sthn.jeff wrote:

Carlos Alberto 1970 Brazil Captain 

https://t.co/O4OKPjK9Cs

If not the best, gotta be bloody close to the best team to take to a football pitch

Either them or the " Mighty Magyars " Hungary team of the 1950s. Being an oldie I'm picking Puskas & Co. Why? Because the Hungarians had a defence to go with their attacking brilliance...bar Alberto, Brazil did not.

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Ray Hicks wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Carlos Alberto 1970 Brazil Captain 

https://t.co/O4OKPjK9Cs

If not the best, gotta be bloody close to the best team to take to a football pitch

Either them or the " Mighty Magyars " Hungary team of the 1950s. Being an oldie I'm picking Puskas & Co. Why? Because the Hungarians had a defence to go with their attacking brilliance...bar Alberto, Brazil did not.

The Mighty Magyars might have been great but they never won when it mattered (1954 WC). They're a tragic story just the Total Football Dutch team of the 1970s who choked in two WC finals.
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Jaume wrote:

Ray Hicks wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Carlos Alberto 1970 Brazil Captain 

https://t.co/O4OKPjK9Cs

If not the best, gotta be bloody close to the best team to take to a football pitch

Either them or the " Mighty Magyars " Hungary team of the 1950s. Being an oldie I'm picking Puskas & Co. Why? Because the Hungarians had a defence to go with their attacking brilliance...bar Alberto, Brazil did not.

The Mighty Magyars might have been great but they never won when it mattered (1954 WC). They're a tragic story just the Total Football Dutch team of the 1970s who choked in two WC finals.

I think my Onslow junior team of the mid 60's which beat Western Subs Wekas 36-0 and Raumati Hearts 21-0 in successive matches must be up with the best. Brilliant attack, brilliant defence...

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

Jaume wrote:

Ray Hicks wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Carlos Alberto 1970 Brazil Captain 

https://t.co/O4OKPjK9Cs

If not the best, gotta be bloody close to the best team to take to a football pitch

Either them or the " Mighty Magyars " Hungary team of the 1950s. Being an oldie I'm picking Puskas & Co. Why? Because the Hungarians had a defence to go with their attacking brilliance...bar Alberto, Brazil did not.

The Mighty Magyars might have been great but they never won when it mattered (1954 WC). They're a tragic story just the Total Football Dutch team of the 1970s who choked in two WC finals.

I think my Onslow junior team of the mid 60's which beat Western Subs Wekas 36-0 and Raumati Hearts 21-0 in successive matches must be up with the best. Brilliant attack, brilliant defence...

Carterton Under 11s and Carterton Under 12s - same team for two seasons, not a single loss or draw in 1990 or 1991 seasons. Pure magic. 

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USA as we knew it. Just as one thought dirtty politics could not get any worse, these elections prove otherwise. How on earth someone can get a full endorsement from the KKK and people think thats good? Good grief.

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Also did two other excellent songs.."The Future" of the same title album and "Waiting for a miracle" on the same Album. RIP Leonard, I was looking forward to your next trip here.

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Fidel Castro, 90 years old, ex President of Cuba whom for years showed 2 fingers to the USA and set up what is recognised as the best health care service in the world.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Fidel Castro, 90 years old, ex President of Cuba whom for years showed 2 fingers to the USA and set up what is recognised as the best health care service in the world.

And only 15,000 or so political executions.

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aitkenmike wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Fidel Castro, 90 years old, ex President of Cuba whom for years showed 2 fingers to the USA and set up what is recognised as the best health care service in the world.

And only 15,000 or so political executions.

And 1 million people have left.

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Leggy wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Fidel Castro, 90 years old, ex President of Cuba whom for years showed 2 fingers to the USA and set up what is recognised as the best health care service in the world.

And only 15,000 or so political executions.

And 1 million people have left.

an egotistical nutcase who played a significant part in bringing the world to the very brink of nuclear war
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For sure, I am playing the devils advocate, literacey rate higher than most other countries in the first world and a free health system. Also a country nearly bankrupts as well as the aforementioned  comments by others on this thread.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

For sure, I am playing the devils advocate, literacey rate higher than most other countries in the first world and a free health system. Also a country nearly bankrupts as well as the aforementioned  comments by others on this thread.

suggest you read some of the health and literacy stats that are not generated from inside Cuba Andy. Quite a different picture.
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Longest life expectancy in the world as well

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638 attempts by the CIA to assassinate Castro - 0 successful.

Sounds like my attempts to woo a maiden on the dancefloor after a few too many drinks

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I find that hard to believe Mussles.  You strike me as a man who would rip up a d-floor.

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Even the silkiest of chat up lines, the sharpest of dance moves, are no match for an arm full of Steinlager Pures, a few Rum and Coke chasers, and a Miami Wine Cooler!

Mix those ingredients, and watch the inevitable bumbling begin (not to mention the flatulence....oh, the flatulence.....)

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Ryan wrote:

Longest life expectancy in the world as well

not sure where you get some stats from. Rated 62nd according to UN and that probably excludes the thousands he executed.
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sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Longest life expectancy in the world as well

not sure where you get some stats from. Rated 62nd according to UN and that probably excludes the thousands he executed.

The one I checked said 61. What about the average wage of $20 a month. Even the doctors were moonlighting driving cabs at night to earn extra money.

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It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

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Ryan wrote:

It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

defied Logic? Do you even know why it was started?
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Ryan wrote:

It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

You don't get it. He was a dictator. If you did not agree with him you were removed. The state ran everything, and we know how incompetent they are. People not allowed to travel etc. kept in poverty, unable to make their own decisions.

The wages in Bali are almost 10 times that of Cuba and they are 3rd world. The wages were kept low so the government could control the people.

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sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

defied Logic? Do you even know why it was started?

Yes, the US backed Batista to stage a coup against the democratically elected Cuban government and backed his regime for several years, during this time Batista sold national assets to US interests, suppressed a number of rights, and killed tens of thousands of people. All with US backing and even US aid. 

After Fidel and Guevara took power the US set up sanctions and put trade embargoes in place and demanded free elections in Cuba. 

It defied logic because a dictator with US backing overthrew the democratically elected government in the first place. Despite the fact that he was horribly oppressive and turned the country into a plaything for the rich, the US kept backing him. Batista was far worse than Fidel. 

The US also trades with plenty of countries with bad humanitarian records, the problem with Cuba is that they had the gall to set up an evil socialist country (gasp) right in the backyard of the US, and Socialism is far worse than any oppression in the eyes of some it seems.

@Leggy comparing incomes between Cuba and Bali is really comparing apples and oranges, they have two completely different systems of economics and therefore the value of money is different. However, of course Cuba is going to have low wages when it's effectively isolated from any trading partner in the region, I'm sure they had a very good quality of life when they could trade and were supported by the Soviet Union. You also can't compare wages in a communist country with a capitalist one because of the amount of support people get from the state, wages are higher in the far East of Europe now than when they were part of the Soviet Union but the standard of living is much lower.

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This is a long read, but is a pretty good impartial view of Castro from the Miami Herald

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/fidel-castro-en/article117186483.html

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Ryan wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

defied Logic? Do you even know why it was started?

Yes, the US backed Batista to stage a coup against the democratically elected Cuban government and backed his regime for several years, during this time Batista sold national assets to US interests, suppressed a number of rights, and killed tens of thousands of people. All with US backing and even US aid. 

After Fidel and Guevara took power the US set up sanctions and put trade embargoes in place and demanded free elections in Cuba. 

It defied logic because a dictator with US backing overthrew the democratically elected government in the first place. Despite the fact that he was horribly oppressive and turned the country into a plaything for the rich, the US kept backing him. Batista was far worse than Fidel. 

The US also trades with plenty of countries with bad humanitarian records, the problem with Cuba is that they had the gall to set up an evil socialist country (gasp) right in the backyard of the US, and Socialism is far worse than any oppression in the eyes of some it seems.

@Leggy comparing incomes between Cuba and Bali is really comparing apples and oranges, they have two completely different systems of economics and therefore the value of money is different. However, of course Cuba is going to have low wages when it's effectively isolated from any trading partner in the region, I'm sure they had a very good quality of life when they could trade and were supported by the Soviet Union. You also can't compare wages in a communist country with a capitalist one because of the amount of support people get from the state, wages are higher in the far East of Europe now than when they were part of the Soviet Union but the standard of living is much lower.

When you have people trying to swim 90 miles accross an open ocean to flee a regime it speaks volumes. He promised democratic elections in Cuba when he overthrew the existing regime. That was 50 years ago. Instead when he became to unwell he installed his brother. 

Do you also wish to turn a blind eye to all the Gay people he executed, Anyone who opposed him was summarily executed. People like Castro do not stay in Power for 50 years because the people love them.

You also seem to have forgotten to mention that Castro was responsible for bringing the world to the very edge of all out Nuclear war, and by all out I mean all out. My old man was in the RAF at the time based in the Middle East. They had Vulcan bombers loaded, with Pilots sitting in them ready to go at about 2 minutes notice through out that period.

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sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

defied Logic? Do you even know why it was started?

Yes, the US backed Batista to stage a coup against the democratically elected Cuban government and backed his regime for several years, during this time Batista sold national assets to US interests, suppressed a number of rights, and killed tens of thousands of people. All with US backing and even US aid. 

After Fidel and Guevara took power the US set up sanctions and put trade embargoes in place and demanded free elections in Cuba. 

It defied logic because a dictator with US backing overthrew the democratically elected government in the first place. Despite the fact that he was horribly oppressive and turned the country into a plaything for the rich, the US kept backing him. Batista was far worse than Fidel. 

The US also trades with plenty of countries with bad humanitarian records, the problem with Cuba is that they had the gall to set up an evil socialist country (gasp) right in the backyard of the US, and Socialism is far worse than any oppression in the eyes of some it seems.

@Leggy comparing incomes between Cuba and Bali is really comparing apples and oranges, they have two completely different systems of economics and therefore the value of money is different. However, of course Cuba is going to have low wages when it's effectively isolated from any trading partner in the region, I'm sure they had a very good quality of life when they could trade and were supported by the Soviet Union. You also can't compare wages in a communist country with a capitalist one because of the amount of support people get from the state, wages are higher in the far East of Europe now than when they were part of the Soviet Union but the standard of living is much lower.

When you have people trying to swim 90 miles accross an open ocean to flee a regime it speaks volumes. He promised democratic elections in Cuba when he overthrew the existing regime. That was 50 years ago. Instead when he became to unwell he installed his brother. 

Do you also wish to turn a blind eye to all the Gay people he executed, Anyone who opposed him was summarily executed. People like Castro do not stay in Power for 50 years because the people love them.

You also seem to have forgotten to mention that Castro was responsible for bringing the world to the very edge of all out Nuclear war, and by all out I mean all out. My old man was in the RAF at the time based in the Middle East. They had Vulcan bombers loaded, with Pilots sitting in them ready to go at about 2 minutes notice through out that period.

I didn't say he was universally great, I'm saying the US were hypocrites because the brutal dictator they liked was replaced by a leader that was better. Plenty of countries that the US trade with treat homosexuality as illegal, including a big chunk of the middle east. Until a few years ago it was considered a mental illness in China. Cuba offers free gender reassignment surgery, in the US homosexuality was illegal in 14 states until 2003.

Cuba also does hold elections, but it's a single party system similar to the Soviet Union wherein groups of people vote for the president on behalf of their constituents, it's not particularly democratic but also not so far removed from the two party/electoral college system. 

The Cuban missile crisis was started because the US put nuclear missiles in Europe and pointed them at the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union responded by putting missiles in the Caribbean. So blaming it on Cuba rather than Turkey is very much a biased and one sided look at history.

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Correct Ryan, And Cuba got well looked after by the then USSR for allowing them (The USSR) into their country and keeping the US on their toes. There were no innocents in this. Castro have some very bad points as have been pointed out, the education and health parts I mentioned were and are good things but I acknowledge, not the only things good or bad. 

As a side note/question, are Cuban Cigars still illegal in the USA? 

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I don't know, but making them illegal turned out to be the best marketing move the US government could have done on behalf of Cuba.

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