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Posted November 28, 2016 10:35 · last edited November 28, 2016 10:41

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

defied Logic? Do you even know why it was started?

Yes, the US backed Batista to stage a coup against the democratically elected Cuban government and backed his regime for several years, during this time Batista sold national assets to US interests, suppressed a number of rights, and killed tens of thousands of people. All with US backing and even US aid. 

After Fidel and Guevara took power the US set up sanctions and put trade embargoes in place and demanded free elections in Cuba. 

It defied logic because a dictator with US backing overthrew the democratically elected government in the first place. Despite the fact that he was horribly oppressive and turned the country into a plaything for the rich, the US kept backing him. Batista was far worse than Fidel. 

The US also trades with plenty of countries with bad humanitarian records, the problem with Cuba is that they had the gall to set up an evil socialist country (gasp) right in the backyard of the US, and Socialism is far worse than any oppression in the eyes of some it seems.

@Leggy comparing incomes between Cuba and Bali is really comparing apples and oranges, they have two completely different systems of economics and therefore the value of money is different. However, of course Cuba is going to have low wages when it's effectively isolated from any trading partner in the region, I'm sure they had a very good quality of life when they could trade and were supported by the Soviet Union. You also can't compare wages in a communist country with a capitalist one because of the amount of support people get from the state, wages are higher in the far East of Europe now than when they were part of the Soviet Union but the standard of living is much lower.

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Ryan edited November 28, 2016 10:41
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:

It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

defied Logic? Do you even know why it was started?

Yes, the US backed Batista to stage a coup against the democratically elected Cuban government and backed his regime for several years, during this time Batista sold national assets to US interests, suppressed a number of rights, and killed tens of thousands of people. All with US backing and even US aid. 

After Fidel and Guevara took power the US set up sanctions and put trade embargoes in place and demanded free elections in Cuba. It defied logic because a dictator with US backing overthrew the democratically elected government in the first place, the US continued to support him, and he was worse than Guevara. The US also trades with plenty of countries with bad humanitarian records the problem with Cuba is that they had the gall to set up an evil socialist country (gasp) right in the backyard of the US.

@Leggy comparing incomes between Cuba and Bali is really comparing apples and oranges, they have two completely different systems of economics and therefore the value of money is different. However, of course Cuba is going to have low wages when it's effectively isolated from any trading partner in the region, I'm sure they had a very good quality of life when they could trade and were supported by the Soviet Union. You also can't compare wages in a communist country with a capitalist one because of the amount of support people get from the state, wages are higher in the far East of Europe now than when they were part of the Soviet Union but the standard of living is much lower.

Ryan edited November 28, 2016 10:37
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:

It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

defied Logic? Do you even know why it was started?

Yes, the US backed Batista to stage a coup against the democratically elected Cuban government and backed his regime for several years, during this time Batista sold national assets to US interests, suppressed a number of rights, and killed tens of thousands of people. All with US backing and even US aid. 

After Fidel and Guevara took power the US set up sanctions and put trade embargoes in place and demanded free elections in Cuba. It defied logic because a dictator with US backing overthrough the democratically elected government in the first place, the US continued to support him, and he was worse than Guevara. The US also trades with plenty of countries with bad humanitarian records the problem with Cuba is that they had the gall to set up an evil socialist country (gasp) right in the backyard of the US.

@Leggy comparing incomes between Cuba and Bali is really comparing apples and oranges, they have two completely different systems of economics and therefore the value of money is different. However, of course Cuba is going to have low wages when it's effectively isolated from any trading partner in the region, I'm sure they had a very good quality of life when they could trade and were supported by the Soviet Union. You also can't compare wages in a communist country with a capitalist one because of the amount of support people get from the state, wages are higher in the far East of Europe now than when they were part of the Soviet Union but the standard of living is much lower.

Ryan edited November 28, 2016 10:36
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:

It was mentioned on the radio, I should have fact checked before posting. According to the UN they are ranked 40th slightly ahead of the US.

As far as the wages goes, it's kind of apples and oranges because we're comparing not just rich and poor but completely different ideologies. Also the US embargo kind of defied logic and was extremely hypocritical, but for some reason it became this huge thing that was disproportionately hated, like immigration, socialism, the war on drugs, etc. so probably political suicide to remove, Americans don't trade with Cuba, even if most Americans have no idea why.

defied Logic? Do you even know why it was started?

Yes, the US backed Batista to stage a coup against the democratically elected Cuban government and backed his regime for several years, during this time Batista sold national assets to US interests, suppressed a number of rights, and killed tens of thousands of people. All with US backing and even US aid. 

After Fidel and Guevara took power the US set up sanctions and placed trade embargos in place and demanded free elections in Cuba. It defied logic because a dictator with US backing overthrough the democratically elected government in the first place, the US continued to support him, and he was worse than Guevara. The US also trades with plenty of countries with bad humanitarian records the problem with Cuba is that they had the gall to set up an evil socialist country (gasp) right in the backyard of the US.

@Leggy comparing incomes between Cuba and Bali is really comparing apples and oranges, they have two completely different systems of economics and therefore the value of money is different. However, of course Cuba is going to have low wages when it's effectively isolated from any trading partner in the region, I'm sure they had a very good quality of life when they could trade and were supported by the Soviet Union. You also can't compare wages in a communist country with a capitalist one because of the amount of support people get from the state, wages are higher in the far East of Europe now than when they were part of the Soviet Union but the standard of living is much lower.