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Racist KFC ad

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el grapadura wrote:
Wolfben wrote:

However, still irrelevant as the ad was in Australia, where the stereotype does not exist.


Brilliant argument. So what's to stop me from dressing up in some white sheets, and burn a cross on some poor black family's front yard? No history/tradition of KKK here, so such an act would clearly not be racist.

Yeah right.


There's plenty of history of racism in NZ though.

Three for me, and two for them.

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timmymadden wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
However, still irrelevant as the ad was in Australia, where the stereotype does not exist.
Brilliant argument. So what's to stop me from dressing up in some white sheets, and burn a cross on some poor black family's front yard? No history/tradition of KKK here, so such an act would clearly not be racist. Yeah right.
Except doing that would be directly implying some intent on hatered toward black people. I think you nailed it before when you said poor research was involved. Maybe ignorance is a better term than racism.


so what was ignorant exactly? that it could be perceived as racist, maybe?
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Ignorance, by KFC, that it could have been percieved as racist. Realistically how many Australians associate fried chicken and African American slavery? I personally would never have put the two together if it weren't for this incident, not because I'm racist, but because I've never known any better.
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timmymadden wrote:
Ignorance, by KFC,�that it could have been percieved as racist. Realistically how many Australians associate fried chicken and African American slavery? I personally would never have put the two together if it weren't for this incident, not because I'm racist, but because I've never known any better.


Fair enough

I find it hard to believe KFC, with all their money thrown in to marketing and market research, could fail to see the link when some average joes* on a football forum can, but it's possible I guess.

* I mean that lovingly.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Buffon II wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Wolfben wrote:

However, still irrelevant as the ad was in Australia, where the stereotype does not exist.


Brilliant argument. So what's to stop me from dressing up in some white sheets, and burn a cross on some poor black family's front yard? No history/tradition of KKK here, so such an act would clearly not be racist.

Yeah right.
There's plenty of history of racism in NZ though.


There sure is Buffy, but I'm afraid it's not something we've come to grips with as yet.
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So Timmy, if an overseas corporation makes an ad that stereotypes Maori in some way it's not racist as long as they are ignorant of that stereotype? To me that just makes it worse.

 
First of all, ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking it and neither should ignorance be an excuse for racism.
 
Also, whether something is racist or not isn't determined by borders and boundaries. Quite the opposite. It's national borders and boundaries that create the geographical, social, cultural, economic differences between us that allow racism to fester in the first place.
 
And let's not forget that the ad in question was created by a multi-national corporation whose world headquarters are in Louisville, Kentucky and whose parent company trumpets their global diversity programmes!
 
Australia is not some global backwater, they really should have known better.
 
 

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For some reason, reading term_x post reminded me of when the Spice Girls did a concert here and did the All Blacks Haka. I was not a happy chappy when they showed it on the news. Still I saw it more as pure ignorance rather than racism, they weren't out to offend anybody, but really should have known better. If I was to move to the USA today, make friends with an African American and offer to buy them some KFC (assuming this whole current KFC saga never happened, and I didn't know how offended people would get), would I be racist?
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The text comments on that video...oh dear. There's some hateful people out there.
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el grapadura wrote:
The text comments on that video...oh dear. There's some hateful people out there.


Youtube comments. The worst thing on the internet.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Regardless of race, there are more important things in life than getting their chicken!!
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Wongo wrote:
Regardless of race, there are more important things in life than getting their chicken!!


BUT WHAT WILL THE FAMILY EAT???!

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Buffon II wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
The text comments on that video...oh dear. There's some hateful people out there.
Youtube comments. The worst thing on the internet.


Makes for some good trolling action though.
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el grapadura wrote:
Wolfben wrote:

However, still irrelevant as the ad was in Australia, where the stereotype does not exist.


Brilliant argument. So what's to stop me from dressing up in some white sheets, and burn a cross on some poor black family's front yard? No history/tradition of KKK here, so such an act would clearly not be racist.

Yeah right.


Is that the level of comprehension for you? I now understand why you think its racist. remember to look left and right before crossing the road, dear.
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If the crowd was white and the guy was black would there be such an up roar??
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5kux wrote:
If the crowd was white and the guy was black would there be such an up roar??


Yes, because he's the only black person in the crowd, therefore black people are disproportionately represented in cricket crowds.
Wongo2010-01-12 08:56:34
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5kux wrote:
If the crowd was white and the guy was black would there be such an up roar??


Facepalm.
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Wolfben wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Wolfben wrote:

However, still irrelevant as the ad was in Australia, where the stereotype does not exist.


Brilliant argument. So what's to stop me from dressing up in some white sheets, and burn a cross on some poor black family's front yard? No history/tradition of KKK here, so such an act would clearly not be racist.

Yeah right.
Is that the level of comprehension for you? I now understand why you think its racist. remember to look left and right before crossing the road, dear.


Another facepalm.
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This reminds me of an advertisment that appeared somewhat briefly on Australian television in the mid 90's for a brand of sunscreen.
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Transcript below:
 
Caption: "This message is for Whites"
 
<A white man appears on the screen, looking very boring in a shirt
and tie.>

White man (very serious): "White skin contains precious little
melanin, the body's natural protection against the sun. So whenever
you're outside, you need to apply a sunscreen - like 'UV' - to
reflect away harmful rays."

Caption: "This message is for blacks"

Black man (happy and enthusiastic): "We've got LOADS of melanin!"

<He and others proceed to dance around in the sun, accompanied by
lots of happy music and laughter.>

Caption: "UV protection. The next best thing to being black."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Apparently this was seen as racist.
 
Political Correctness gone very wrong me thinks!!!
C-Diddy2010-01-12 13:08:20

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Just out of curiosity - how do the people who feel the ad was racist feel about these?



Bearing in mind that "eskimo" is outright a racist ethnic slur, yet this context is all but unheard of in NZ (indeed I'd probably not even know were it not for a Canadian ex). Just putting it out there.

I'm personally in the "racist by ignorance rather than intent" camp for both issues and think KFC should have been a hell of a lot smarter, especially in this globalized world. Even though only Americans would find it offensive, there's nothing stopping it from reaching America and causing offence - not the best move for a business. Unless you're good at it a la Hell Pizza
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Wasn't keen to get back into this thread, but for what it's worth i do respect that it is racism by ignorance (as i did not know that it was a slur before the Canadian tourist brought it up - and then a bit of internet trawling).
 
So i never thought anything of it until then.  Now I wouldn't actually buy them if they were labelled as such.
 
Same thing applies to the reindeer herders - they are Saani and the term Laplander is a perjorative name given by the Scandinavians.
 
Nice to be enlightened every now and then.
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Yeah but criticising KFC for something they clearly didnt intend is a bit rough. Same with Allens with eskimos,they didnt intend it and i dont see anyone going around criticising them for it.

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
Yeah but criticising KFC for something they clearly didnt intend is a bit rough.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Well I think it's more important how an organisation or someone responds to having the information that something is offensive.
 
I think if something is done in ignorance and there is no intention to offend then that is not a hanging offence (!).  But if there is no change in behaviour or the product is still offered then that deserves a b*llocking.
 
I don't have any ill-will to KFC (they did respond very swiftly).  I think Allens initially said it had no plans to change.
 
Right that's it, no more on this from me!!
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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el grapadura wrote:
Tegal wrote:
Yeah but criticising KFC for something they clearly didnt intend is a bit rough.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
So everyone should never do anything ever,for fear that it may offend someone...?
 
Im not saying it didnt offend,just that its a bit hard to criticise them when it clearly wasnt meant in such a context at all. As soon as it was bought to their attention,they withdrew it.

Allegedly

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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
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el grapadura wrote:
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
 
See: England and their involvement (or lack of) in the Spanish Civil War.
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Has this become the el g clich� quote dump thread now?

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Arsenal wrote:
Has this become the el g clich� quote dump thread now?
And facepalm.
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Arsenal wrote:
Has this become the el g clich� quote dump thread now?




Glad someone picked up on it.
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Part of the problem with this thread is that too many people are trying to define the KFC ad, the eskimo lollies etc as either "racist" or "not racist", as if they are absolutes. But to do so ignores how racism actually festers within society.
 
Going back to one of my earlier posts - "the oppositional categories commonly used to think about racism�Racist and Not Racist�hide silent racism and other insidious forms such as color-blind racism. Replacing the outdated categories with a continuum labeled More Racist and Less Racist would expose these subtle forms of racism that are more closely linked to racial injustice than outright bigotry is".
 
The point being that some of these examples, taken in isolation and only in the orginal context in which they occured, don't seem particularly racist and would probably appear at the "less racist" end of a continuum. The problem is they don't exist in isolation. As can be seen in this thread you can see many examples around you every day. They are part of a subtle and systematic institutionalisation of such attitudes and prejudices in our society which is exactly how racism is perpetuated.
 
When these type of examples are highlighted as being "racist" it's easy to assess them against a standard of "racist" as meaning "outright bigotry" and conclude that it's all just PC madness. To do so is to miss the big picture, however, and miss an opportunity to actually push back against all the bullsh*t. As Trinity Roots sang "it's the little things that matter".
 

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You probably think the movie Avatar is racist too then.
 
 
Really..? Bit of a stretch. You could analyse anything and come up with racist undertones or come up with something wrong that offends someone,but seriously what is the point in nitpicking.

Allegedly

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terminator_x wrote:

Part of the problem with this thread is that too many people are trying to define the KFC ad, the eskimo lollies etc as either "racist" or "not racist", as if they are absolutes. But to do so ignores how racism actually festers within society.

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The point�being that some of these examples, taken in isolation and only in the orginal context in which they occured, don't seem particularly racist and would probably appear at the "less racist" end of a continuum. The problem is they don't exist in isolation. As can be seen in this thread�you can see many examples around you every day.�They are part of a subtle and�systematic institutionalisation of such attitudes and prejudices in our society which is exactly how racism is perpetuated.

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When these type of examples are highlighted as being "racist" it's easy to assess them against a standard of "racist" as�meaning "outright bigotry" and conclude that it's all just PC madness. To do so is to miss the big picture, however, and miss an opportunity to actually push back against all the bullsh*t. As Trinity Roots sang "it's the little things that matter".

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Therefore, virtually everything in your world is 'racist', as anything that isn't at the absolute end of your 'scale' that you apply must be.

Glad I don't live in your world.

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Arsenal wrote:
Glad I don't live in your world.
Me too. My goodness it must be a sad life if everything you look at has a negative undertone to it somehow. It just makes me frustrated reading posts like that.
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Chill TM.

Term-X is actually giving this a bit of thought and analysis.

Unfortunately life isn't all peachy and luvvly jubbly. A bit of life experience will no doubt help you my young paduan.




"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Tegal wrote:
You could analyse anything and come up with racist undertones or come up with something wrong that offends someone


Yes, you could. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

I am not advocating radical action or protests in the streets about every minor incident of racism that you may encounter on a day to day basis. But I am definitely advocating greater awareness. By being aware of the small stuff you will eventually start to see a bigger picture, and it's the big picture that we should be working on as a society if we really consider ourselves civilised.

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I consider the mark of a civilised society one where people can say and do as they please without others getting unnecessarily offended at everything.

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Arsenal wrote:
Glad I don't live in your world.


You don't have to. Which is a point very much at the heart of this thread.

Try and imagine what your life would be like if you were born a different colour. Would it be better or worse? Is there any reason why it should be better or worse?

If you a really honest are you glad you were born the colour you are or do you wish you could change?



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