ACFC U17 tourney

Wow, what better way to say that you pretty much have to play for Central if you want to play ASBP than putting it in a graphic.

Coastal boys win 6-0 

Big Red Gordon strikes again. 

Cashmere boys doing ok in a bloody tough group. Waitakere, western springs, Napier city rovers, Hamilton Wanderers, three kings

10 man Birko crash 0-2 to pacy Coastal. The Yammamoto kid looks the goods.

Getting to the pointy end of the tournament some good games coming up.

Quarter finals in the championship.

Three Kings 1   East Coast Bays 0

Cashmere Technical 1    FC 20    0

Ellerslie 5   Coastal Spirit 4  in penalties

Onehunga 3   Central 2.

Semis 

Ellerslie V Onehunga

Three Kings v Cashmere Technical.

Tournament being well run and looking forward to some exciting football tomorrow.

Ellerslie win the final 2-0 over Three Kings - Onehunga lose to Cashmere Tech in the 3rd and 4th playoff.

I hear Onehunga Sports (Wynrs) ended the game with 8 men and one of those sent off was for striking the referee.

Anyone watch the game and can offer some insight ?

Gota wonder what's going on there cheating with the nike cup trying to bend the rules now 3 sent off and apparently the player is facing a year ban if not longer......NZF have promised to clamp down on this kinda crap heavily......

But then again it's wynrs they will probably get away with it!

crikey, hope it's not true

U-17  striking ref = awful

yep that's kinda true - first red was a second yellow for backchat and straight after there was another red for a pretty reckless challenge.

last red was another second yellow i think for pushing an ellerslie player after a tangle after a header - that player after getting his card appeared to throw his elbow into the referee.  

Three Onehunga players were sent off in the semi final against Ellerslie when they were down a goal. After the third player received his red card, there was physical contact by the player on the referee. 

Second half was pretty ugly and marred by lots of direct chat at referee by players. Ref called both captains together to warn them to stop. Ellerslie did. Onehunga didn't.

Ellerslie scored one more goal when Onehunga had only 8 players on the field.

I wonder if they will get banned from nike cup and this tournament.....

Apparently they refused to play in the satellite like all clubs have to to get into the main draw at napier...

i don't see any rules or precedent to ban them from any of the competitions.

Wow. I ducked in yesterday morning to watch a game but looks like I missed the action.

Striking a referee = career over for that kid.

I totally get what you are saying but one thing we always teach our kids it to respect your elders. Yeah its a different generation and all that and back chat is quite common (as evidenced by one of the yellows above) but striking an official? Would that kid have a crack at a cop? Police and referees are not the same in comparison but the role they play in context to what they do is. I can get some kid getting lippy and telling a ref to fuck off but to strike? That requires a completely different level of stupidity that you can't excuse for being young.

Yeah I agree that maybe I am taking it too far. I have no idea about harsher penalties meaning less crime but I am also not talking about crime here in a societal sense.

In isolation, there needs to be 'decent action' because the message that every other u17 kid has seen is that its ok to crack the ref one if its just a smack on the hand for a punishment. That would just lead there to be less refs in the game. As much as everyone hates on refs, I know I used to whinge when we never had one. I see that Samoan guy from Manukau got his bit and the cop in CHR has had stuff all happen to him as far as I can tell but as the paper reads 'that young referee is now gone from the game'. It leads to a whole other conversation around referees, developing them, pathways etc which is too long winded for the point here.

18 months and no reps or tournaments for 3 (assuming he is a decent player). See how much he enjoys watching his mates play and not being able to partake. That may ram the point home.

If you could read properly, you would note that I said 'I missed all the action'

It all sounds pretty unclear about what happened, and probably not a lot in it (you don't need to do much to get sent off these days). Words such as 'strike', 'made contact', 'threw an elbow', kind of sounds like everybody who 'saw' it didn't actually but just heard about it.

Agree - it would be nice to hear from someone who saw the incident.

However I was at this tournament and another (U14) one at the weekend and did witness some appalling behaviour from some of the Onehunga parents - particularly at the U14 games, storming the pitch to admonish officials etc. apples falling far from trees etc.......

AJ13

I saw the incident and used the words "made contact". 

I was on the sideline where the team benches were and had a similar view to the assistant referee who was the closest to the incident. 

To be clear, the contact was made after the red card was given. 

Not passing judgement on what happens from here. 

What I don't get is that we are now into this 'made contact/striking/whatever' conversation. Does it actually matter? If he had loaded up and king hit him, maybe but that seems not to what has happened in this case.

The basic tenement of any sport is you don't touch the officials. If you do so, you may as well play Russian roulette.

Football needs a 10 metre walk. At any dissent or failure to retire, the ref instantly advances the free kick by 10 metres. And if that takes it into the penalty area, too bad, tough titty.   

I remember reading that they investigated this 10 years ago or about then I think.

They trialed it in some Scandinavian lower league. The main issue was that with free kicks close to goal, teams would deliberately dissent so as to move the freekick forward and reduce the effective angle to goal because of distances etc.

You would think the easiest option would be to ask the team if they wanted to move 10 forward or as an alternative move the wall back an extra 10 to 20. Would save the need to curl it around walls....

Could be a disadvantage.

You've got a free kick 25 out, and they march you into the area. That makes it a lot easier to defend.

Edit - sorry, should read to end of page before posting. What Jeff said.

Getting back to the ACFC tournament.

Once again what a good effort by the organisers. Only real concerns were, firstly, the standard of refs in some early games. Try hard but not up to it especially without linesmen.  

Having travelled from the South island, one of 9 teams, spending $15,000 plus per team to support it, it would be nice to get that extra coverage. 

Secondly it would be nice to get one or two of the Auckland based (aren't they all) age group selectors actually watching some of the South Island players. Saw a couple of recent coaches, always seemed to be watching Auckland clubs play each other. Same last year, same in Napier at the U19's.

A few years ago at tournaments coaches would have been tapped on the shoulder and asked who is worth a look at in the squad. Did not seem to be any interest even though we had 3 teams in the last 8 of the boys and girls tournaments.

Maybe the money we spend would be better used to give the players a real over the water experience, Aussie or even L.A. run good tournaments.

It annoys me because we seem to have been dropped off the map. Simply cant seem to get any boys selected to play age group football for NZ any more.

Here is a good exercise, out of the last 2 U20 and 2 U17 squads both initial and final squads name the South Island players. Anyone up there interested.

Our best All Whites have always come from right across the country, not just north of the Bombays.

So other than that a great weekend, thanks to our opponents and the organisers. Please remember how much it costs us. I doubt it costs as much to travel from Ellerslie or East Coast Bays.

Fuck me you south islanders have a chip on your shoulder.

Maybe your players just actually aren't that good?

One of those rare moments i agree with you 10,000% Smithy.

Their attempts to denigrate the Napier u19s tournament because of the lack of South Island teams is tragic.

Mathematically unsound Buffy but I'll take it ;)

I hear what you saying.

The Coastal Spirit Mens team were really good and filled with talent. Perhaps a little unlucky with who they got in the Q/F.

Also saw a couple of talented young men in the Richmond team. 

Didn't get to see Cashmere and FC Twenty but Cashmere must have talent to get to the semis.

Great to see the South Islands teams making the trip. I hope the selectors were just being discrete and were watching those teams.