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Posted August 15, 2018 00:45 · last edited August 15, 2018 00:49

Yakcall wrote:

Continue discussion on the regrading rule

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

what are people's thoughts on the 12 game rule?

Not a fan personally - I'm coaching women's Div 1 and our season ends 5 games after our first team's (Cap Prem) season ends. If I'm dropping down 3 players maximum why does there need to be a 12 game limit on it? Just means I have to be short on players for the last few games (love Uni holidays) cos all the 1st team players are tied. It makes player eligibility inconsistent between the start and end of the season which makes no real sense to me.

I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points. Happy to be proven wrong though.

ah i dont really know what that all means. Women's Prem? that is still going? you saying you have six more weeks of Div1??

The Women's structure this season is:

W-League (6 teams)

Women's Prem (8)

Women's Div 1 (10)

Div 2 (8)

Div 3 (idk)

We have 3 league games and up to 2 cup games remaining (different eligibility rules for those though), the 1st team have their final game on Sunday. 2 of those league games are being played midweek to allow the Executive Plate and Kelly Cup finals to both be September 2.

ok cool.

One thing that is needed for the rule is a managed approach from the club. Maybe make Alex aware of that. It can't 'trip you up' if you look at the CF stats.

And the rule for Cup comp is that they can only play in one - and it has been like that for about five years after some teams were playing the same squad in both.

I'm well aware of the rules and which players are eligible for what - no one will be getting tripped up over anything (aside from Olympic). We've tracked appearances independently from Capital Football and know exactly who can play for who for the remainder of the season - it wouldn't look good for us to have eligibility issues after whinging about Miramar last season! Like I said, this rule is not a massive issue for our club this year, I was just giving an overall opinion on the 12 game rule like you asked for and providing some context, and that opinion is my personal one and not the opinion of VUWAFC or any other coach at the club.

ok but with your quote below - you don't think the % rule has an effect on drop downs in the big picture?

"I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points."

I think it definitely has an effect (so I misspoke), however, I also think the rule could be vastly improved to allow for more flexibility in clubs at the end of the season while still preventing the abuse of the ability to drop players down.

I was more referring it to limiting it to 3 "first team players" per week and not allowing progressively more than that 3 one week, 6 the next etc. Have a lower threshold for what makes a "first team" player but allow up to 3 of them to be dropped down.

And going back to the Cup thing - we will make sure that no player plays both Kelly Cup and Executive Plate, players that played Kate Sheppard Cup can still play Executive Plate though.

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Yakcall wrote:

Continue discussion on the regrading rule

Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:

what are people's thoughts on the 12 game rule?

Not a fan personally - I'm coaching women's Div 1 and our season ends 5 games after our first team's (Cap Prem) season ends. If I'm dropping down 3 players maximum why does there need to be a 12 game limit on it? Just means I have to be short on players for the last few games (love Uni holidays) cos all the 1st team players are tied. It makes player eligibility inconsistent between the start and end of the season which makes no real sense to me.

I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points. Happy to be proven wrong though.

ah i dont really know what that all means. Women's Prem? that is still going? you saying you have six more weeks of Div1??

The Women's structure this season is:

W-League (6 teams)

Women's Prem (8)

Women's Div 1 (10)

Div 2 (8)

Div 3 (idk)

We have 3 league games and up to 2 cup games remaining (different eligibility rules for those though), the 1st team have their final game on Sunday. 2 of those league games are being played midweek to allow the Executive Plate and Kelly Cup finals to both be September 2.

ok cool.

One thing that is needed for the rule is a managed approach from the club. Maybe make Alex aware of that. It can't 'trip you up' if you look at the CF stats.

And the rule for Cup comp is that they can only play in one - and it has been like that for about five years after some teams were playing the same squad in both.

I'm well aware of the rules and which players are eligible for what - no one will be getting tripped up over anything (aside from Olympic). We've tracked appearances independently from Capital Football and know exactly who can play for who for the remainder of the season - it wouldn't look good for us to have eligibility issues after whinging about Miramar last season! Like I said, this rule is not a massive issue for our club this year, I was just giving an overall opinion on the 12 game rule like you asked for and providing some context, and that opinion is my personal one and not the opinion of VUWAFC or any other coach at the club.

ok but with your quote below - you don't think the % rule has an effect on drop downs in the big picture?

"I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points."

I think it definitely has an effect (so I misspoke), however, I also think the rule could be vastly improved to allow for more flexibility in clubs at the end of the season while still preventing the abuse of the ability to drop players down.

I was more referring it to limiting it to 3 "first team players" per week and not allowing progressively more than that 3 one week, 6 the next etc. Have a lower threshold for what makes a "first team" player but allow up to 3 of them to be dropped down.

And going back to the Cup thing - we will make sure that no player plays both Kelly Cup and Executive Plate (or that they play plate for our 2nds and 3rds etc), players that played Kate Sheppard Cup can still play Executive Plate though.

Unknown editor edited August 15, 2018 00:49
Yakcall wrote:

Continue discussion on the regrading rule

Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:

what are people's thoughts on the 12 game rule?

Not a fan personally - I'm coaching women's Div 1 and our season ends 5 games after our first team's (Cap Prem) season ends. If I'm dropping down 3 players maximum why does there need to be a 12 game limit on it? Just means I have to be short on players for the last few games (love Uni holidays) cos all the 1st team players are tied. It makes player eligibility inconsistent between the start and end of the season which makes no real sense to me.

I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points. Happy to be proven wrong though.

ah i dont really know what that all means. Women's Prem? that is still going? you saying you have six more weeks of Div1??

The Women's structure this season is:

W-League (6 teams)

Women's Prem (8)

Women's Div 1 (10)

Div 2 (8)

Div 3 (idk)

We have 3 league games and up to 2 cup games remaining (different eligibility rules for those though), the 1st team have their final game on Sunday. 2 of those league games are being played midweek to allow the Executive Plate and Kelly Cup finals to both be September 2.

ok cool.

One thing that is needed for the rule is a managed approach from the club. Maybe make Alex aware of that. It can't 'trip you up' if you look at the CF stats.

And the rule for Cup comp is that they can only play in one - and it has been like that for about five years after some teams were playing the same squad in both.

I'm well aware of the rules and which players are eligible for what - no one will be getting tripped up over anything (aside from Olympic). We've tracked appearances independently from Capital Football and know exactly who can play for who for the remainder of the season - it wouldn't look good for us to have eligibility issues after whinging about Miramar last season! Like I said, this rule is not a massive issue for our club this year, I was just giving an overall opinion on the 12 game rule like you asked for and providing some context, and that opinion is my personal one and not the opinion of VUWAFC or any other coach at the club.

ok but with your quote below - you don't think the % rule has an effect on drop downs in the big picture?

"I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points."

I think it definitely has an effect (so I misspoke), however, I also think the rule could be vastly improved to allow for more flexibility in clubs at the end of the season while still preventing the abuse of the ability to drop players down.

I was more referring it to limiting it to 3 "first team players" per week and not allowing progressively more than that 3 one week, 6 the next etc. Have a lower threshold for what makes a "first team" player but allow up to 3 of them to be dropped down.

Unknown editor edited August 15, 2018 00:48
Yakcall wrote:

Continue discussion on the regrading rule

Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:

what are people's thoughts on the 12 game rule?

Not a fan personally - I'm coaching women's Div 1 and our season ends 5 games after our first team's (Cap Prem) season ends. If I'm dropping down 3 players maximum why does there need to be a 12 game limit on it? Just means I have to be short on players for the last few games (love Uni holidays) cos all the 1st team players are tied. It makes player eligibility inconsistent between the start and end of the season which makes no real sense to me.

I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points. Happy to be proven wrong though.

ah i dont really know what that all means. Women's Prem? that is still going? you saying you have six more weeks of Div1??

The Women's structure this season is:

W-League (6 teams)

Women's Prem (8)

Women's Div 1 (10)

Div 2 (8)

Div 3 (idk)

We have 3 league games and up to 2 cup games remaining (different eligibility rules for those though), the 1st team have their final game on Sunday. 2 of those league games are being played midweek to allow the Executive Plate and Kelly Cup finals to both be September 2.

ok cool.

One thing that is needed for the rule is a managed approach from the club. Maybe make Alex aware of that. It can't 'trip you up' if you look at the CF stats.

And the rule for Cup comp is that they can only play in one - and it has been like that for about five years after some teams were playing the same squad in both.

I'm well aware of the rules and which players are eligible for what - no one will be getting tripped up over anything (aside from Olympic). We've tracked appearances independently from Capital Football and know exactly who can play for who for the remainder of the season - it wouldn't look good for us to have eligibility issues after whinging about Miramar last season! Like I said, this rule is not a massive issue for our club this year, I was just giving an overall opinion on the 12 game rule like you asked for and providing some context, and that opinion is my personal one and not the opinion of VUWAFC or any other coach at the club.

ok but with your quote below - you don't think the % rule has an effect on drop downs in the big picture?

"I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points."

I think it definitely has an effect (so I misspoke), however, I also think the rule could be vastly improved to allow for more flexibility in clubs at the end of the season while still preventing the abuse of the ability to drop players down.

I was more referring it to limiting it to 3 "first team players" per week and not allowing progressively more than that. Have a lower threshold for what makes a "first team" player but allow up to 3 of them to be dropped down.

Unknown editor edited August 15, 2018 00:47
Yakcall wrote:

Continue discussion on the regrading rule

Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Feverish wrote:

what are people's thoughts on the 12 game rule?

Not a fan personally - I'm coaching women's Div 1 and our season ends 5 games after our first team's (Cap Prem) season ends. If I'm dropping down 3 players maximum why does there need to be a 12 game limit on it? Just means I have to be short on players for the last few games (love Uni holidays) cos all the 1st team players are tied. It makes player eligibility inconsistent between the start and end of the season which makes no real sense to me.

I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points. Happy to be proven wrong though.

ah i dont really know what that all means. Women's Prem? that is still going? you saying you have six more weeks of Div1??

The Women's structure this season is:

W-League (6 teams)

Women's Prem (8)

Women's Div 1 (10)

Div 2 (8)

Div 3 (idk)

We have 3 league games and up to 2 cup games remaining (different eligibility rules for those though), the 1st team have their final game on Sunday. 2 of those league games are being played midweek to allow the Executive Plate and Kelly Cup finals to both be September 2.

ok cool.

One thing that is needed for the rule is a managed approach from the club. Maybe make Alex aware of that. It can't 'trip you up' if you look at the CF stats.

And the rule for Cup comp is that they can only play in one - and it has been like that for about five years after some teams were playing the same squad in both.

I'm well aware of the rules and which players are eligible for what - no one will be getting tripped up over anything (aside from Olympic). We've tracked appearances independently from Capital Football and know exactly who can play for who for the remainder of the season - it wouldn't look good for us to have eligibility issues after whinging about Miramar last season! Like I said, this rule is not a massive issue for our club this year, I was just giving an overall opinion on the 12 game rule like you asked for and providing some context, and that opinion is my personal one and not the opinion of VUWAFC or any other coach at the club.

ok but with your quote below - you don't think the % rule has an effect on drop downs in the big picture?

"I can see how it would be abused but I think limiting it to 3 mitigates the unfairness of it enough that the 12 game rule has no real effect but to trip people up and lose points."

I think it definitely has an effect (so I misspoke), however, I also think the rule could be vastly improved to allow for more flexibility in clubs at the end of the season while still preventing the abuse of the ability to drop players down