What about old Adam Fisher?
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Actually it seems that mainland is no more or less competent than other Feds (though we do look after our money here, but at what cost is another question). For example, have you seen the shite fite in cap prems about promo/relegation? 11 team div 1/9 team div 2, appeals to NZF, club favoritism at board level accusations, and more. Hauntingly familiar; and just makes me rather sad for our sport in this country.
Wow, how did I miss that thread. Or the North Wellington AFC social Facebook page. Brilliant!
And you thought our bitch-fighting was bad!
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What about old Adam Fisher?
Brent Fisher as well.
Forget Jeff Fleming
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What about old Adam Fisher?
Brent Fisher as well.
Forget Jeff Fleming
and Jack Pelter
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Really Smithy? Didn't know that. APFA academy attendance (strictly enforced) is 5 trainings per week and rest days monitored, effectively precluding them from club and FTC training.
Do you know WYNRS take on this matter?
APFA are not very felxible that is why they are leaving town, they think that they can do what they like and still make NTC teams, Mainland even changed the rules to 50% attendence for them. There is no doubt about the quality of there players how ever the quality of there business management is the down fall.
Everyone needs to get a long and that means everyone not just one side of the fence , for all this to work. APFA should have considered the needs of their customers better and hence been fleixible enough to make it work instead of laying all the blame on Mainland Football and poisoning all the parents against them.They seems to live in there own little world.
Private academys are the future of NZ Football the sooner some one at NZF Level starts to govern it, the better will be for all our success.
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Serious question here: in the LAST 20 YEARS (since 1993), besides Ryan Nelsen, how many Chch juniors have gone on to maintain any sort of pro career; as opposed to short term failed trials etc. Without knowing the answer, I'd speculate for a population the size of Chch we have underperformed in the NZ context. Surely the advent of academy style training (clubs have tried with varying success, plus mainland with their pride academy, school of football, then FTC, plus APFA and Burnley) in the last 5 years is a positive reaction to address the issue of producing professional class players. Given the tightening of Euro visas and the glut of South American, African and Asian players into major and minor leagues worldwide, we need a total re-think of what we (Chch, NZ) are capable of realistically producing - and also give time, environment and opportunity for the product of these academies to ripen (the oldest of these players are 18). Some of the coaches involved have been knowledgeable and experienced coaches: Danny Halligan, Ceri Evans, Korosh Monsef plus good junior coaches like Terry Hall and Glen Lapslie. So before we question whether they have been a success, I would say: let's give it a few years; and ask, what did we produce in the 20 years prior to now anyway?
The female game is a different story due to the tiny player base and earlier maturation; but Coastal (particularly) at club level and Pride at Fed level and Ferns are achieving amazing results.
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Former ChCh United keeper Jordan Dupee (unsure of spelling)
Brent Fisher played in Scandanavia.
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Great article in yesterday's Herald on Player Development. Worth a read.
Interesting to learn that Coastal are trying to transfer/ register at least 4 players from the U16 Canterbury rep team coached by Big Red.
Looking to take them to Auckland for the ACFC coached by Big Red. None have played for the club this year. They may well be others.
Also interesting they have left out one of their own Canterbury U16 reps (club member for many years) to accommodate the new ones. Really working hard at development there.
Caution: Taking pot shots from the moral high ground only ever serves to make yourself into a nicely silhouetted target for everyone else.
Totally agree.
You mentioned Coastal specifically, which indicates you have an issue with that club, or a reason to wish them ill (whatever that issue may be, it may be relevant or not), yet you have not identified which club you are involved with. Probably CashTech, (if you really are Fred Simpson, if you are not, then thats a WHOLE new issue) but it doesn't really matter much for the purposes of this post. You are accusatory, yet anonymous, which indicates to me that you feel that recognition would reduce the effectiveness of your attempts to stir trouble/draw attention.
One would therefore suspect that were your club named, that they too would then have accusations leveled at them for similar examples of either poaching or nepotism/favouritism for whatever age group/reason/what have you.
Even worse, perhaps you yourself are involved with Coastal, and upset by the non selection of this unnamed U16 player (friend or relative, team mate or previous coach scenario springs to mind here) and were you to name either yourself/the player or both, that would again render your argument invalid through bias.
Hopefully that is not too blunt.
Coastal because the coach comes from Coastal. Aware he is not the first probably not the last.
Does not mean I have to like it.
Fact is two new players with no history with coastal played in Lotto for Coastal. Both in coaches rep. team.
Second, rumoured, at least 2 more same criteria no background with Coastal also asked and named in squad for Auckland also rumoured player with history with Coastal played in Lotto U19 not selected for Auckland U17 so these two could be fitted in.
If untrue, no worry. If true I am concerned as Coastal have a reputation for developing players.
No Grudges, No family connections. Just commenting.
Why get upset if there is no truth in it, just say so if you know.
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Heard there were 5 boys picked for that coastal team heading to Auckland who hadn't played for coastal before lotto tournament: 3 from schools and 2 cashmere players whose transfer requests have been initially declined. Can't comment on how many were in coach's rep team but as has been said on here recently: where ambition meets opportunity you will find player movement.
Looks to me like coastal are taking a leaf out of cashmere technical's well worn player selection approach that has served them so well over the last 7-8 years for Napier U 19 tournaments.
I'm not really surprised at any of the above. My only surprise is that the 2 cashmere players feel there is more opportunity at coastal than at cashmere. Why would that be?
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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Heard there were 5 boys picked for that coastal team heading to Auckland who hadn't played for coastal before lotto tournament: 3 from schools and 2 cashmere players whose transfer requests have been initially declined. Can't comment on how many were in coach's rep team but as has been said on here recently: where ambition meets opportunity you will find player movement.
Looks to me like coastal are taking a leaf out of cashmere technical's well worn player selection approach that has served them so well over the last 7-8 years for Napier U 19 tournaments.
I'm not really surprised at any of the above. My only surprise is that the 2 cashmere players feel there is more opportunity at coastal than at cashmere. Why would that be?
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Heard there were 5 boys picked for that coastal team heading to Auckland who hadn't played for coastal before lotto tournament: 3 from schools and 2 cashmere players whose transfer requests have been initially declined. Can't comment on how many were in coach's rep team but as has been said on here recently: where ambition meets opportunity you will find player movement.
Looks to me like coastal are taking a leaf out of cashmere technical's well worn player selection approach that has served them so well over the last 7-8 years for Napier U 19 tournaments.
I'm not really surprised at any of the above. My only surprise is that the 2 cashmere players feel there is more opportunity at coastal than at cashmere. Why would that be?
Looks to me like Coastal are just playing to the tournament rules, as do Cashmere no doubt. The point I'm making is that Cashmere Tech have always used Napier tournament as means of player & coach opportunity.
Over the last 3 years players that have either guested or switched clubs to play in the tournament include James Gribben, Joel Stevens, Aaron Spain, Kaz Koyama, Ed Ashton, Jamie Draper, Cory Mitchell, Chris Braithwaite, Preston Bell, Oscar Evans, Shawn O'Brien, Ken Yamamoto, Tane Gent, Jordan and Danny Halligan; and they're just the ones I know of. Nothing wrong with it.
Cashmere Technical is probably Christchurch's most ambitious club and Coastal would have their own ambitions I'm sure. If everyone is playing within the rules it's not really a problem is it? But my real question is why would two cashmere tech boys (both decent players and doing well at cashmere) want to switch?
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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Heard there were 5 boys picked for that coastal team heading to Auckland who hadn't played for coastal before lotto tournament: 3 from schools and 2 cashmere players whose transfer requests have been initially declined. Can't comment on how many were in coach's rep team but as has been said on here recently: where ambition meets opportunity you will find player movement.
Looks to me like coastal are taking a leaf out of cashmere technical's well worn player selection approach that has served them so well over the last 7-8 years for Napier U 19 tournaments.
I'm not really surprised at any of the above. My only surprise is that the 2 cashmere players feel there is more opportunity at coastal than at cashmere. Why would that be?
Looks to me like Coastal are just playing to the tournament rules, as do Cashmere no doubt. The point I'm making is that Cashmere Tech have always used Napier tournament as means of player & coach opportunity.
Over the last 3 years players that have either guested or switched clubs to play in the tournament include James Gribben, Joel Stevens, Aaron Spain, Kaz Koyama, Ed Ashton, Jamie Draper, Cory Mitchell, Chris Braithwaite, Preston Bell, Oscar Evans, Shawn O'Brien, Ken Yamamoto, Tane Gent, Jordan and Danny Halligan; and they're just the ones I know of. Nothing wrong with it.
Cashmere Technical is probably Christchurch's most ambitious club and Coastal would have their own ambitions I'm sure. If everyone is playing within the rules it's not really a problem is it? But my real question is why would two cashmere tech boys (both decent players and doing well at cashmere) want to switch?
My original point was based on protocols around coaching a Canterbury Junior rep team. I agree, why would two CTFC players want to switch?
Maybe they don't!
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Who knows, must be something there, perhaps they weren't in the top tier at Cashmere and think they can get further there. Or perhaps like Coastal's pathway better than Techs. You'd have to ask them I suppose.
Agree with Stretford, that Tech have been doing it for years, why is this such a big deal now that Coastal have 2 players that may or may not be coming for whatever reason...
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Heard there were 5 boys picked for that coastal team heading to Auckland who hadn't played for coastal before lotto tournament: 3 from schools and 2 cashmere players whose transfer requests have been initially declined. Can't comment on how many were in coach's rep team but as has been said on here recently: where ambition meets opportunity you will find player movement.
Looks to me like coastal are taking a leaf out of cashmere technical's well worn player selection approach that has served them so well over the last 7-8 years for Napier U 19 tournaments.
I'm not really surprised at any of the above. My only surprise is that the 2 cashmere players feel there is more opportunity at coastal than at cashmere. Why would that be?
Looks to me like Coastal are just playing to the tournament rules, as do Cashmere no doubt. The point I'm making is that Cashmere Tech have always used Napier tournament as means of player & coach opportunity.
Over the last 3 years players that have either guested or switched clubs to play in the tournament include James Gribben, Joel Stevens, Aaron Spain, Kaz Koyama, Ed Ashton, Jamie Draper, Cory Mitchell, Chris Braithwaite, Preston Bell, Oscar Evans, Shawn O'Brien, Ken Yamamoto, Tane Gent, Jordan and Danny Halligan; and they're just the ones I know of. Nothing wrong with it.
Cashmere Technical is probably Christchurch's most ambitious club and Coastal would have their own ambitions I'm sure. If everyone is playing within the rules it's not really a problem is it? But my real question is why would two cashmere tech boys (both decent players and doing well at cashmere) want to switch?
My original point was based on protocols around coaching a Canterbury Junior rep team. I agree, why would two CTFC players want to switch?
Maybe they don't!
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Former ChCh United keeper Jordan Dupee (unsure of spelling)
Crikey there's a name I haven't heard for a while (like from when I used to play in our Shamrock juniors team with him and aaran lines) - where did I go wrong?
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Great article in yesterday's Herald on Player Development. Worth a read.
Interesting to learn that Coastal are trying to transfer/ register at least 4 players from the U16 Canterbury rep team coached by Big Red.
Looking to take them to Auckland for the ACFC coached by Big Red. None have played for the club this year. They may well be others.
Also interesting they have left out one of their own Canterbury U16 reps (club member for many years) to accommodate the new ones. Really working hard at development there.
Caution: Taking pot shots from the moral high ground only ever serves to make yourself into a nicely silhouetted target for everyone else.
Totally agree.
You mentioned Coastal specifically, which indicates you have an issue with that club, or a reason to wish them ill (whatever that issue may be, it may be relevant or not), yet you have not identified which club you are involved with. Probably CashTech, (if you really are Fred Simpson, if you are not, then thats a WHOLE new issue) but it doesn't really matter much for the purposes of this post. You are accusatory, yet anonymous, which indicates to me that you feel that recognition would reduce the effectiveness of your attempts to stir trouble/draw attention.
One would therefore suspect that were your club named, that they too would then have accusations leveled at them for similar examples of either poaching or nepotism/favouritism for whatever age group/reason/what have you.
Even worse, perhaps you yourself are involved with Coastal, and upset by the non selection of this unnamed U16 player (friend or relative, team mate or previous coach scenario springs to mind here) and were you to name either yourself/the player or both, that would again render your argument invalid through bias.
Hopefully that is not too blunt.
Coastal because the coach comes from Coastal. Aware he is not the first probably not the last.
Does not mean I have to like it.
Fact is two new players with no history with coastal played in Lotto for Coastal. Both in coaches rep. team.
Second, rumoured, at least 2 more same criteria no background with Coastal also asked and named in squad for Auckland also rumoured player with history with Coastal played in Lotto U19 not selected for Auckland U17 so these two could be fitted in.
If untrue, no worry. If true I am concerned as Coastal have a reputation for developing players.
No Grudges, No family connections. Just commenting.
Why get upset if there is no truth in it, just say so if you know.
The truth of it was irrelevant, I am not terribly upset one way or another, as I know pretty much nothing about the truth of what you brought up. The presentation was designed to create speculation and suspicion, under the cover of internet anonymity. That was all.
You can ascertain what your opponent is afraid of by observing the means by which he attempts to frighten you
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Ha. But That's what online forums are all about!!
For the record, I have had a hug since your last post EB, and it changed sweet FA, so best you GTFO.
This post brought to you by the society for creative anacronyms-ism. :)
You can ascertain what your opponent is afraid of by observing the means by which he attempts to frighten you
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Ha. But That's what online forums are all about!!
Apparently not!!
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Great article in yesterday's Herald on Player Development. Worth a read.
Interesting to learn that Coastal are trying to transfer/ register at least 4 players from the U16 Canterbury rep team coached by Big Red.
Looking to take them to Auckland for the ACFC coached by Big Red. None have played for the club this year. They may well be others.
Also interesting they have left out one of their own Canterbury U16 reps (club member for many years) to accommodate the new ones. Really working hard at development there.
Caution: Taking pot shots from the moral high ground only ever serves to make yourself into a nicely silhouetted target for everyone else.
Totally agree.
You mentioned Coastal specifically, which indicates you have an issue with that club, or a reason to wish them ill (whatever that issue may be, it may be relevant or not), yet you have not identified which club you are involved with. Probably CashTech, (if you really are Fred Simpson, if you are not, then thats a WHOLE new issue) but it doesn't really matter much for the purposes of this post. You are accusatory, yet anonymous, which indicates to me that you feel that recognition would reduce the effectiveness of your attempts to stir trouble/draw attention.
One would therefore suspect that were your club named, that they too would then have accusations leveled at them for similar examples of either poaching or nepotism/favouritism for whatever age group/reason/what have you.
Even worse, perhaps you yourself are involved with Coastal, and upset by the non selection of this unnamed U16 player (friend or relative, team mate or previous coach scenario springs to mind here) and were you to name either yourself/the player or both, that would again render your argument invalid through bias.
Hopefully that is not too blunt.
Coastal because the coach comes from Coastal. Aware he is not the first probably not the last.
Does not mean I have to like it.
Fact is two new players with no history with coastal played in Lotto for Coastal. Both in coaches rep. team.
Second, rumoured, at least 2 more same criteria no background with Coastal also asked and named in squad for Auckland also rumoured player with history with Coastal played in Lotto U19 not selected for Auckland U17 so these two could be fitted in.
If untrue, no worry. If true I am concerned as Coastal have a reputation for developing players.
No Grudges, No family connections. Just commenting.
Why get upset if there is no truth in it, just say so if you know.
The truth of it was irrelevant, I am not terribly upset one way or another, as I know pretty much nothing about the truth of what you brought up. The presentation was designed to create speculation and suspicion, under the cover of internet anonymity. That was all.
Now I get you "The Truth is Irrelevant" says it all doesn't it.
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Former ChCh United keeper Jordan Dupee (unsure of spelling)
Crikey there's a name I haven't heard for a while (like from when I used to play in our Shamrock juniors team with him and aaran lines) - where did I go wrong?
What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?
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Heard there were 5 boys picked for that coastal team heading to Auckland who hadn't played for coastal before lotto tournament: 3 from schools and 2 cashmere players whose transfer requests have been initially declined. Can't comment on how many were in coach's rep team but as has been said on here recently: where ambition meets opportunity you will find player movement.
Looks to me like coastal are taking a leaf out of cashmere technical's well worn player selection approach that has served them so well over the last 7-8 years for Napier U 19 tournaments.
I'm not really surprised at any of the above. My only surprise is that the 2 cashmere players feel there is more opportunity at coastal than at cashmere. Why would that be?
[/quote] How does that work. Do enlighten me. Thought Napier strict on players being registered for club during season and 2 guests if wanted.[/quote]
Looks to me like Coastal are just playing to the tournament rules, as do Cashmere no doubt. The point I'm making is that Cashmere Tech have always used Napier tournament as means of player & coach opportunity.
Over the last 3 years players that have either guested or switched clubs to play in the tournament include James Gribben, Joel Stevens, Aaron Spain, Kaz Koyama, Ed Ashton, Jamie Draper, Cory Mitchell, Chris Braithwaite, Preston Bell, Oscar Evans, Shawn O'Brien, Ken Yamamoto, Tane Gent, Jordan and Danny Halligan; and they're just the ones I know of. Nothing wrong with it.
Cashmere Technical is probably Christchurch's most ambitious club and Coastal would have their own ambitions I'm sure. If everyone is playing within the rules it's not really a problem is it? But my real question is why would two cashmere tech boys (both decent players and doing well at cashmere) want to switch?
Stratford out of the players named above would be interested to know how many of the players went back to their original club after guesting at Napier and how many stayed at Cashmere Technical,
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Who knows, must be something there, perhaps they weren't in the top tier at Cashmere and think they can get further there. Or perhaps like Coastal's pathway better than Techs. You'd have to ask them I suppose.
Agree with Stretford, that Tech have been doing it for years, why is this such a big deal now that Coastal have 2 players that may or may not be coming for whatever reason...
What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?
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Former ChCh United keeper Jordan Dupee (unsure of spelling)
Crikey there's a name I haven't heard for a while (like from when I used to play in our Shamrock juniors team with him and aaran lines) - where did I go wrong?
Oh that was it! Though sometimes I'd be lucky to have 2 left ones
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Heard there were 5 boys picked for that coastal team heading to Auckland who hadn't played for coastal before lotto tournament: 3 from schools and 2 cashmere players whose transfer requests have been initially declined. Can't comment on how many were in coach's rep team but as has been said on here recently: where ambition meets opportunity you will find player movement.
Looks to me like coastal are taking a leaf out of cashmere technical's well worn player selection approach that has served them so well over the last 7-8 years for Napier U 19 tournaments.
I'm not really surprised at any of the above. My only surprise is that the 2 cashmere players feel there is more opportunity at coastal than at cashmere. Why would that be?
[/quote] How does that work. Do enlighten me. Thought Napier strict on players being registered for club during season and 2 guests if wanted.[/quote]
Looks to me like Coastal are just playing to the tournament rules, as do Cashmere no doubt. The point I'm making is that Cashmere Tech have always used Napier tournament as means of player & coach opportunity.
Over the last 3 years players that have either guested or switched clubs to play in the tournament include James Gribben, Joel Stevens, Aaron Spain, Kaz Koyama, Ed Ashton, Jamie Draper, Cory Mitchell, Chris Braithwaite, Preston Bell, Oscar Evans, Shawn O'Brien, Ken Yamamoto, Tane Gent, Jordan and Danny Halligan; and they're just the ones I know of. Nothing wrong with it.
Cashmere Technical is probably Christchurch's most ambitious club and Coastal would have their own ambitions I'm sure. If everyone is playing within the rules it's not really a problem is it? But my real question is why would two cashmere tech boys (both decent players and doing well at cashmere) want to switch?
Stratford out of the players named above would be interested to know how many of the players went back to their original club after guesting at Napier and how many stayed at Cashmere Technical,
AW, you have a far greater knowledge of chch players than me, but still with Cashmere are: Cory, Shawn, Jordan, Oscar - with Jordan likely to move to Bays and Oscar TBA I guess depending on what happens with APFA maybe. The rest are a case of WAMO "where ambition meets opportunity" .... Tane is on a US scholarship, Ken studying/playing in Auckland, Jamie at Bays, Kaz and Preston at Nomads, Joel back to Dndn and now at TeeDub I believe, Chris is playing school football i think, Ed to Coastal, James in Wellington and Aaron will return to Coastal or else have to deal with Vim!
Prickly's gripe that a longtime Coastal player had been overlooked due to a more recent import is only a replica of what Danny's move to Cashmere would have prompted. No doubt there would have been plenty of longtime Cashmere tech boys wanting to go to Napier but Danny's influx of players scuppered those dreams. Welcome to football. WAMO.
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Really Smithy? Didn't know that. APFA academy attendance (strictly enforced) is 5 trainings per week and rest days monitored, effectively precluding them from club and FTC training.
Do you know WYNRS take on this matter?
APFA are not very felxible that is why they are leaving town, they think that they can do what they like and still make NTC teams, Mainland even changed the rules to 50% attendence for them. There is no doubt about the quality of there players how ever the quality of there business management is the down fall.
Everyone needs to get a long and that means everyone not just one side of the fence , for all this to work. APFA should have considered the needs of their customers better and hence been fleixible enough to make it work instead of laying all the blame on Mainland Football and poisoning all the parents against them.They seems to live in there own little world.
Private academys are the future of NZ Football the sooner some one at NZF Level starts to govern it, the better will be for all our success.
Interesting position. I reckon Marco Rojas, Louis Fenton, Tyler Boyd and others might have something to say about that.
The proven path to professionalism in this country is to excel at a young age in the ASB Premiership.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Really Smithy? Didn't know that. APFA academy attendance (strictly enforced) is 5 trainings per week and rest days monitored, effectively precluding them from club and FTC training.
Do you know WYNRS take on this matter?
APFA are not very felxible that is why they are leaving town, they think that they can do what they like and still make NTC teams, Mainland even changed the rules to 50% attendence for them. There is no doubt about the quality of there players how ever the quality of there business management is the down fall.
Everyone needs to get a long and that means everyone not just one side of the fence , for all this to work. APFA should have considered the needs of their customers better and hence been fleixible enough to make it work instead of laying all the blame on Mainland Football and poisoning all the parents against them.They seems to live in there own little world.
Private academys are the future of NZ Football the sooner some one at NZF Level starts to govern it, the better will be for all our success.
Interesting position. I reckon Marco Rojas, Louis Fenton, Tyler Boyd and others might have something to say about that.
The proven path to professionalism in this country is to excel at a young age in the ASB Premiership.
Historically, I agree Smithy; but we're more regularly seeing players come through other avenues too - Tuiloma, Howieson, Payne, Wood, various other WYNRS, Ole graduates - all played small amounts of ASB football, if any. As has been said ad infinitum - there are many paths that can be followed. I'm more interested in Grizly's view that NZF should control/govern academies. This is an incredible statement - based on my limited experience with NZF, I'd say there are valid reasons to keep them arm's length! Grizly, are you proposing an English, Dutch or German model where the FA governs academies (which are usually tied to professional clubs)? Not sure how the Phoenix would feel about NZF governing FSE operations.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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Really Smithy? Didn't know that. APFA academy attendance (strictly enforced) is 5 trainings per week and rest days monitored, effectively precluding them from club and FTC training.
Do you know WYNRS take on this matter?
APFA are not very felxible that is why they are leaving town, they think that they can do what they like and still make NTC teams, Mainland even changed the rules to 50% attendence for them. There is no doubt about the quality of there players how ever the quality of there business management is the down fall.
Everyone needs to get a long and that means everyone not just one side of the fence , for all this to work. APFA should have considered the needs of their customers better and hence been fleixible enough to make it work instead of laying all the blame on Mainland Football and poisoning all the parents against them.They seems to live in there own little world.
Private academys are the future of NZ Football the sooner some one at NZF Level starts to govern it, the better will be for all our success.
Interesting position. I reckon Marco Rojas, Louis Fenton, Tyler Boyd and others might have something to say about that.
The proven path to professionalism in this country is to excel at a young age in the ASB Premiership.
Historically, I agree Smithy; but we're more regularly seeing players come through other avenues too - Tuiloma, Howieson, Payne, Wood, various other WYNRS, Ole graduates - all played small amounts of ASB football, if any. As has been said ad infinitum - there are many paths that can be followed. I'm more interested in Grizly's view that NZF should control/govern academies. This is an incredible statement - based on my limited experience with NZF, I'd say there are valid reasons to keep them arm's length! Grizly, are you proposing an English, Dutch or German model where the FA governs academies (which are usually tied to professional clubs)? Not sure how the Phoenix would feel about NZF governing FSE operations.
In England, the FA doesn't govern academies directly. It offers leagues for them and to qualify for those leagues you have to meet certain criteria. There's nothing to stop NZF doing the same. Effectively an ASB Premiership for academies.
Pretty sure the same sort of thing applies in the Netherlands and Ze Fatherland.
NZF need to offer something to these organisations if they're going to get something back (a bit of control).
Federations are doing that in a limited way around the country, but are constrained in their ability to collaborate by NZF's (ludicrous) doctrinal approach.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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It should be said that it's a two way street, APFA and Ole have hardly got track records of wanting to work with the establishment.
In the most recent newspaper piece about Ole Declan Edge said something along the lines of "we don't need the Phoenix, they need us."
He was talking about the Phoenix but it gives you a bit of an insight into where their thinking is at.
Both sides need to want to come to the table.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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It should be said that it's a two way street, APFA and Ole have hardly got track records of wanting to work with the establishment.
Both sides need to want to come to the table.
Well amen to that n' all
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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It should be said that it's a two way street, APFA and Ole have hardly got track records of wanting to work with the establishment.
Both sides need to want to come to the table.
Well amen to that n' all
It got to the point in NSW that academies were setting up their own leagues. Bigger popn. base per geographic spread obviously. Mariners now have Central Coast Football academy (federation) under its wing.
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Really Smithy? Didn't know that. APFA academy attendance (strictly enforced) is 5 trainings per week and rest days monitored, effectively precluding them from club and FTC training.
Do you know WYNRS take on this matter?
APFA are not very felxible that is why they are leaving town, they think that they can do what they like and still make NTC teams, Mainland even changed the rules to 50% attendence for them. There is no doubt about the quality of there players how ever the quality of there business management is the down fall.
Everyone needs to get a long and that means everyone not just one side of the fence , for all this to work. APFA should have considered the needs of their customers better and hence been fleixible enough to make it work instead of laying all the blame on Mainland Football and poisoning all the parents against them.They seems to live in there own little world.
Private academys are the future of NZ Football the sooner some one at NZF Level starts to govern it, the better will be for all our success.
Interesting position. I reckon Marco Rojas, Louis Fenton, Tyler Boyd and others might have something to say about that.
The proven path to professionalism in this country is to excel at a young age in the ASB Premiership.
Historically, I agree Smithy; but we're more regularly seeing players come through other avenues too - Tuiloma, Howieson, Payne, Wood, various other WYNRS, Ole graduates - all played small amounts of ASB football, if any. As has been said ad infinitum - there are many paths that can be followed. I'm more interested in Grizly's view that NZF should control/govern academies. This is an incredible statement - based on my limited experience with NZF, I'd say there are valid reasons to keep them arm's length! Grizly, are you proposing an English, Dutch or German model where the FA governs academies (which are usually tied to professional clubs)? Not sure how the Phoenix would feel about NZF governing FSE operations.
Sorry dude a bit of a typo there, what I was meaning is the sooner some at NZF starts to include private academies in their planning (eg a workable solution so that all players no matter what path they take can still make national teams etc etc) Then the better for all.
We should be working together, but I must say it is very much the NZF that are less willing than the private providers and I think we all know why ?
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Ha. But That's what online forums are all about!!
For the record, I have had a hug since your last post EB, and it changed sweet FA, so best you GTFO.
This post brought to you by the society for creative anacronyms-ism. :)
Sorry, but your just too easy to stir up.......
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Really Smithy? Didn't know that. APFA academy attendance (strictly enforced) is 5 trainings per week and rest days monitored, effectively precluding them from club and FTC training.
Do you know WYNRS take on this matter?
APFA are not very felxible that is why they are leaving town, they think that they can do what they like and still make NTC teams, Mainland even changed the rules to 50% attendence for them. There is no doubt about the quality of there players how ever the quality of there business management is the down fall.
Everyone needs to get a long and that means everyone not just one side of the fence , for all this to work. APFA should have considered the needs of their customers better and hence been fleixible enough to make it work instead of laying all the blame on Mainland Football and poisoning all the parents against them.They seems to live in there own little world.
Private academys are the future of NZ Football the sooner some one at NZF Level starts to govern it, the better will be for all our success.
Interesting position. I reckon Marco Rojas, Louis Fenton, Tyler Boyd and others might have something to say about that.
The proven path to professionalism in this country is to excel at a young age in the ASB Premiership.
Historically, I agree Smithy; but we're more regularly seeing players come through other avenues too - Tuiloma, Howieson, Payne, Wood, various other WYNRS, Ole graduates - all played small amounts of ASB football, if any. As has been said ad infinitum - there are many paths that can be followed. I'm more interested in Grizly's view that NZF should control/govern academies. This is an incredible statement - based on my limited experience with NZF, I'd say there are valid reasons to keep them arm's length! Grizly, are you proposing an English, Dutch or German model where the FA governs academies (which are usually tied to professional clubs)? Not sure how the Phoenix would feel about NZF governing FSE operations.
Sorry dude a bit of a typo there, what I was meaning is the sooner some at NZF starts to include private academies in their planning (eg a workable solution so that all players no matter what path they take can still make national teams etc etc) Then the better for all.
We should be working together, but I must say it is very much the NZF that are less willing than the private providers and I think we all know why ?
Biggest barrier is living in the South island, if you are male.
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Heard there were 5 boys picked for that coastal team heading to Auckland who hadn't played for coastal before lotto tournament: 3 from schools and 2 cashmere players whose transfer requests have been initially declined. Can't comment on how many were in coach's rep team but as has been said on here recently: where ambition meets opportunity you will find player movement.
Looks to me like coastal are taking a leaf out of cashmere technical's well worn player selection approach that has served them so well over the last 7-8 years for Napier U 19 tournaments.
I'm not really surprised at any of the above. My only surprise is that the 2 cashmere players feel there is more opportunity at coastal than at cashmere. Why would that be?
[/quote] How does that work. Do enlighten me. Thought Napier strict on players being registered for club during season and 2 guests if wanted.[/quote]
Looks to me like Coastal are just playing to the tournament rules, as do Cashmere no doubt. The point I'm making is that Cashmere Tech have always used Napier tournament as means of player & coach opportunity.
Over the last 3 years players that have either guested or switched clubs to play in the tournament include James Gribben, Joel Stevens, Aaron Spain, Kaz Koyama, Ed Ashton, Jamie Draper, Cory Mitchell, Chris Braithwaite, Preston Bell, Oscar Evans, Shawn O'Brien, Ken Yamamoto, Tane Gent, Jordan and Danny Halligan; and they're just the ones I know of. Nothing wrong with it.
Cashmere Technical is probably Christchurch's most ambitious club and Coastal would have their own ambitions I'm sure. If everyone is playing within the rules it's not really a problem is it? But my real question is why would two cashmere tech boys (both decent players and doing well at cashmere) want to switch?
Stratford out of the players named above would be interested to know how many of the players went back to their original club after guesting at Napier and how many stayed at Cashmere Technical,
AW, you have a far greater knowledge of chch players than me, but still with Cashmere are: Cory, Shawn, Jordan, Oscar - with Jordan likely to move to Bays and Oscar TBA I guess depending on what happens with APFA maybe. The rest are a case of WAMO "where ambition meets opportunity" .... Tane is on a US scholarship, Ken studying/playing in Auckland, Jamie at Bays, Kaz and Preston at Nomads, Joel back to Dndn and now at TeeDub I believe, Chris is playing school football i think, Ed to Coastal, James in Wellington and Aaron will return to Coastal or else have to deal with Vim!
Prickly's gripe that a longtime Coastal player had been overlooked due to a more recent import is only a replica of what Danny's move to Cashmere would have prompted. No doubt there would have been plenty of longtime Cashmere tech boys wanting to go to Napier but Danny's influx of players scuppered those dreams. Welcome to football. WAMO.
cheers for the reply but at times hard to remeber were players have gone.
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Heard there were 5 boys picked for that coastal team heading to Auckland who hadn't played for coastal before lotto tournament: 3 from schools and 2 cashmere players whose transfer requests have been initially declined. Can't comment on how many were in coach's rep team but as has been said on here recently: where ambition meets opportunity you will find player movement.
Looks to me like coastal are taking a leaf out of cashmere technical's well worn player selection approach that has served them so well over the last 7-8 years for Napier U 19 tournaments.
I'm not really surprised at any of the above. My only surprise is that the 2 cashmere players feel there is more opportunity at coastal than at cashmere. Why would that be?
[/quote] How does that work. Do enlighten me. Thought Napier strict on players being registered for club during season and 2 guests if wanted.[/quote]
Looks to me like Coastal are just playing to the tournament rules, as do Cashmere no doubt. The point I'm making is that Cashmere Tech have always used Napier tournament as means of player & coach opportunity.
Over the last 3 years players that have either guested or switched clubs to play in the tournament include James Gribben, Joel Stevens, Aaron Spain, Kaz Koyama, Ed Ashton, Jamie Draper, Cory Mitchell, Chris Braithwaite, Preston Bell, Oscar Evans, Shawn O'Brien, Ken Yamamoto, Tane Gent, Jordan and Danny Halligan; and they're just the ones I know of. Nothing wrong with it.
Cashmere Technical is probably Christchurch's most ambitious club and Coastal would have their own ambitions I'm sure. If everyone is playing within the rules it's not really a problem is it? But my real question is why would two cashmere tech boys (both decent players and doing well at cashmere) want to switch?
Stratford out of the players named above would be interested to know how many of the players went back to their original club after guesting at Napier and how many stayed at Cashmere Technical,
AW, you have a far greater knowledge of chch players than me, but still with Cashmere are: Cory, Shawn, Jordan, Oscar - with Jordan likely to move to Bays and Oscar TBA I guess depending on what happens with APFA maybe. The rest are a case of WAMO "where ambition meets opportunity" .... Tane is on a US scholarship, Ken studying/playing in Auckland, Jamie at Bays, Kaz and Preston at Nomads, Joel back to Dndn and now at TeeDub I believe, Chris is playing school football i think, Ed to Coastal, James in Wellington and Aaron will return to Coastal or else have to deal with Vim!
Prickly's gripe that a longtime Coastal player had been overlooked due to a more recent import is only a replica of what Danny's move to Cashmere would have prompted. No doubt there would have been plenty of longtime Cashmere tech boys wanting to go to Napier but Danny's influx of players scuppered those dreams. Welcome to football. WAMO.
cheers for the reply but at times hard to remeber were players have gone.
Method of introduction via the reps is the point. It is a No - No and we are all aware of it.
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Rep player 1 speaking to rep player 2: "oi bro, you should come and play with my club, we're going to some tournament up north; it's gonna be mean as!"
Rep player 2: "yeah maybe, who's the coach?"
Player 1: that dude we had for the reps
Player 2: oh him, yeah he's the business, who else is in the team?
Player 1: heaps of the boiz you know - from school, from reps, from FTC, from when we played at that club when we was kids
Player 2: sick bro, see you at training
Player 1: churr
Nek minnit: moaning on yellow fever forums
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Rep player 1 speaking to rep player 2: "oi bro, you should come and play with my club, we're going to some tournament up north; it's gonna be mean as!"
Rep player 2: "yeah maybe, who's the coach?"
Player 1: that dude we had for the reps
Player 2: oh him, yeah he's the business, who else is in the team?
Player 1: heaps of the boiz you know - from school, from reps, from FTC, from when we played at that club when we was kids
Player 2: sick bro, see you at training
Player 1: churr
Nek minnit: moaning on yellow fever forums
Actually when you think about it Bays are spending about half what some clubs spend on development to try and win the MPL. Who's right and who's wrong?
What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?
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