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Posted August 01, 2014 05:49 · last edited August 01, 2014 05:57

TopLeft07 wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

Whether it is Caira or BS that's expendable is moot to me - I'll leave that to Ernie.  But we've now got a bit of a glut at FB.  Plus I've already said my opinion is that Doyle is not dead set better than Caira.  On playing time given I would have thought BS was the most vulnerable.  But they are both contracted till the end of this coming season and Lia till the end of the season after that.  You either have to convince your Board to pay out on one of those contracts to pick up Doyle, now, and incur that double cost, or you wait till the end of the season and weigh up which two you most want to have - Caira, BS or Doyle.  

What I was not getting was the seeming enthusiasm for signing Doyle now, plus the seeming belief he was a clear better player than Caira to justify breaking Caira's contract.  Can't see it myself.

It's not really about breaking his contract as such. He left WSW with a year left on his contract looking for more game time. He's an AUS U23 rep so likely to get itchy feet again if he's not playing. Basically ideally, he'll request a release if another club who needs a LB want him. 

[Credit Ryans Rovers for most of this info]

Also mine or your opinion doesn't mean anything in regards to who is better. If Ernie picks Doyle we should trust that he is right.

lols if we just trusted Ernie and never offered any thoughts of our own it would be a quiet Fever chat site.  

Sure, if Caira is wanting to go, I'd have no problem signing Doyle as a replacement.  That is a bit different from arguing that Doyle's great, exceptional, we must sign him now.  [Though I'd at least wonder if we wanted Watson or another local striker instead].

Doyle's at least solid.  Possibly he may be better than Caira.  But Caira was asked to do a lot more at FB during the season, with less support around him on the field than Doyle was asked to do against the EPL sides.  I think that is fair.  Doyle played primarily defensively against the EPL sides and he had both Riera and Gorrin alongside, plus Burns.  And for those saying Doyle looks great at Central League, well how good might Caira look there?  We seem to be arguing that Doyle is better than an Aus U 23 that we are also saying another club is going to want to sign and give game time to?  

But I guess it is an arbitrage situation.  Doyle would be a normal non-foreign player for us.  Caira would be a non-foreign for any Aussie club.  So if we let Caira go and pick up Doyle that makes sense all round.  Caira is better off and at least Doyle gets a deal, if probably not much game time in our squad.

No matter, just putting a different point of view out there.  

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TopLeft07 wrote:
mjp2 wrote:

Whether it is Caira or BS that's expendable is moot to me - I'll leave that to Ernie.  But we've now got a bit of a glut at FB.  Plus I've already said my opinion is that Doyle is not dead set better than Caira.  On playing time given I would have thought BS was the most vulnerable.  But they are both contracted till the end of this coming season and Lia till the end of the season after that.  You either have to convince your Board to pay out on one of those contracts to pick up Doyle, now, and incur that double cost, or you wait till the end of the season and weigh up which two you most want to have - Caira, BS or Doyle.  

What I was not getting was the seeming enthusiasm for signing Doyle now, plus the seeming belief he was a clear better player than Caira to justify breaking Caira's contract.  Can't see it myself.

It's not really about breaking his contract as such. He left WSW with a year left on his contract looking for more game time. He's an AUS U23 rep so likely to get itchy feet again if he's not playing. Basically ideally, he'll request a release if another club who needs a LB want him. 

[Credit Ryans Rovers for most of this info]

Also mine or your opinion doesn't mean anything in regards to who is better. If Ernie picks Doyle we should trust that he is right.

lols if we just trusted Ernie and never offered any thoughts of our own it would be a quiet Fever chat site.  

Sure, if Caira is wanting to go, I'd have no problem signing Doyle as a replacement.  That is a bit different from arguing that Doyle's great, exceptional, we must sign him now.  [Though I'd at least wonder if we wanted Watson or another local striker instead].

Doyle's at least solid.  Possibly he may be better than Caira.  But Caira was asked to do a lot more at FB during the season, with less support around him on the field than Doyle was asked to do against the EPL sides.  I think that is fair.  Doyle played primarily defensively against the EPL sides and he had both Riera and Gorrin alongside, plus Burns.  And for those saying Doyle looks great at Central League, well how good might Caira look there?  We seem to be arguing that Doyle is better than an Aus U 23 that we are also saying another club is going to want to sign and give game time to?  

But I guess it is an arbitrage situation.  Doyle would be a normal non-foreign player for us.  Caira would be a non-foreign for any Aussie club.  If Doyle is better than Caira, and we think Caira would get offered game time for another A League side, then Doyle would personally be better off going to that A league side and getting the game time.  But he would have to take a foreign spot.  So if we let Caira go and pick up Doyle that makes sense all round.  Caira is better off and at least Doyle gets a deal, if probably not much game time in our squad.

No matter, just putting a different point of view out there.