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Posted January 07, 2016 23:19 · last edited January 07, 2016 23:20

Drunk_Monk wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

What ever man. So you are telling me if you lived in Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane, you could live on that? That would include training, gym and all the other stuff that would go along with it? Also is that before tax? The rents are higher in Australia too.

Not sure what you earn but $25k, you feel that's an excellent return for what they do? Pay peanuts, get monkeys and I think it adequately reflects what we see on TV. Personally I don't think that's even close to a decent wage where anyone would have the right to rag on refs expecting 'EPL performances on an NRFL budget'

I think having seen that, I feel for them seriously. If the referees were getting closer to 50k, then I think it would be a lot fairer to give them shark. They don't even make the minimum player wage but have a much bigger part in the game.

Wait are you even reading the posts?

"you feel that's an excellent return for what they do? Pay peanuts, get monkeys and I think it adequately reflects what we see on TV. Personally I don't think that's even close to a decent wage where anyone would have the right to rag on refs expecting 'EPL performances on an NRFL budget'"

So you are saying that that what we are seeing on TV reflects the wages.  Except in that first post it says not only are the numbers not right, that was 3 years ago, pre-professional refs.  

SO you are arguing pay peanuts, get monkeys.  But the A league clearly isn't, but still getting monkeys (according to you).  That's a great argument against the rest of your post.

But on the topic you are suggesting that 25K isn't a livable part time wage in Sydney, Brisbane, and Melbourne working from October to May.  First rent isn't that much higher, its about the 10% wage increase, at least for Sydney.  Melbourne I could rent a slightly better place for the amount I currently pay.  That's based on when I was looking 6 months ago and getting advice from my 35+ co workers living in those cities.

And it also depends what they do with the rest of their part time hours.  

Well no offense but if someone cant live off part time wages in a non-professional position, they need to find another part time job or full time work.  If I was working 1 in every 2 weeks and earning that I would be dancing.

ALSO your numbers are based on them working just under 1 in every 2 weeks in the football calendar.  Lets say they work 9 months, and only work 1 week in every 2.  Lets say hypothetically they worked another job that filled in the other hours, they could easily live off that.

Or a crazy idea, lets say during the season they worked a hypothetical every week.

So lets say they work every week, and only do a quarter out of town (it could be higher and therefore the wages higher) then based on your calculations they would earn $45,250 for working 3/4 of the years.  If they do other stuff to fill in the week, maybe extra work for the A League, that could be much higher.  And that's for part time UNPROFESSIONAL work.

Hypothetically In a professional position they could be earning well in excess of that so above your acceptable threshold.

Ok so that was rates from 2 years ago. Thats fair. Have they changed the rates since then? There are 3 full time guys but what the rates for the others?

I also used an average above and the likes of Williams get used every other week so they would get more cash. But what if you are a new guy that does maybe 1 or 2 games? And you are still expected to perform top level? If I put a player in a team in round 1 and then next at round 10, I doubt he would play at the same level because of match fitness. Where do these guys get their match fitness from in the offseason? Not in NPL.... O'Leary would have been lucky cause he could have refereed in the ASBP on weekends he was not doing the A League but the others would not and I don;t think O'Leary was used too often.

Either way, I still hold true that for what they get for shark from the fans and expectation of performances vs the level of remuneration, it does not stack up.

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Drunk_Monk wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

What ever man. So you are telling me if you lived in Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane, you could live on that? That would include training, gym and all the other stuff that would go along with it? Also is that before tax? The rents are higher in Australia too.

Not sure what you earn but $25k, you feel that's an excellent return for what they do? Pay peanuts, get monkeys and I think it adequately reflects what we see on TV. Personally I don't think that's even close to a decent wage where anyone would have the right to rag on refs expecting 'EPL performances on an NRFL budget'

I think having seen that, I feel for them seriously. If the referees were getting closer to 50k, then I think it would be a lot fairer to give them shark. They don't even make the minimum player wage but have a much bigger part in the game.

Wait are you even reading the posts?

"you feel that's an excellent return for what they do? Pay peanuts, get monkeys and I think it adequately reflects what we see on TV. Personally I don't think that's even close to a decent wage where anyone would have the right to rag on refs expecting 'EPL performances on an NRFL budget'"

So you are saying that that what we are seeing on TV reflects the wages.  Except in that first post it says not only are the numbers not right, that was 3 years ago, pre-professional refs.  

SO you are arguing pay peanuts, get monkeys.  But the A league clearly isn't, but still getting monkeys (according to you).  That's a great argument against the rest of your post.

But on the topic you are suggesting that 25K isn't a livable part time wage in Sydney, Brisbane, and Melbourne working from October to May.  First rent isn't that much higher, its about the 10% wage increase, at least for Sydney.  Melbourne I could rent a slightly better place for the amount I currently pay.  That's based on when I was looking 6 months ago and getting advice from my 35+ co workers living in those cities.

And it also depends what they do with the rest of their part time hours.  

Well no offense but if someone cant live off part time wages in a non-professional position, they need to find another part time job or full time work.  If I was working 1 in every 2 weeks and earning that I would be dancing.

ALSO your numbers are based on them working just under 1 in every 2 weeks in the football calendar.  Lets say they work 9 months, and only work 1 week in every 2.  Lets say hypothetically they worked another job that filled in the other hours, they could easily live off that.

Or a crazy idea, lets say during the season they worked a hypothetical every week.

So lets say they work every week, and only do a quarter out of town (it could be higher and therefore the wages higher) then based on your calculations they would earn $45,250 for working 3/4 of the years.  If they do other stuff to fill in the week, maybe extra work for the A League, that could be much higher.  And that's for part time UNPROFESSIONAL work.

Hypothetically In a professional position they could be earning well in excess of that so above your acceptable threshold.

Ok so that was rates from 2 years ago. Thats fair. Have they changed the rates since then? There are 3 full time guys but what the rates for the others?

I also used an average above and the likes of Williams get used every other week so they would get more cash. But what if you are a new guy that does maybe 1 or 2 games? And you are still expected to perform top level? If I put a player in a team in round 1 and then next at round 10, I doubt he would play at the same level because of match fitness. Where do these guys get their match fitness from in the offseason? Not in NPL.... O'Leary would have been lucky cause he could have refereed in the ASBP on weekends he was not doing the A League but the others would not and I don;t think O'Leary was used too often.

Either way, I still hold true that for what they get for shark from the fans and expectation of performances vs the level of remuneration does not stack up.