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Posted December 16, 2013 09:15 · last edited December 16, 2013 09:17

Whitby boy wrote:

I suspect none of us think there are any more Terry S's waiting in the wings to write off $Ms on the Nix so the only way the Nix will endure is if the business model is sustainable. Identifying, growing and, occassionally, flogging off NZ talent seems to be a key part of that model. It is also complementary to the owners' ownership motivation of wanting to advance NZ football.

I don't think Ernie can get much more out of the squad he inherited (too many ageing / average payers being paid > their value). He will have the opportunity to make the squad his own this coming off season when a decent number of players are off contract - then the pressure will rightly be on him to deliver.

I think the owners committed to 5 years (?) so there's a couple more seasons after this one for the Nix to solidify (on and off the pitch). I think they too are going through a learning curve - optimum youth development structures, importance of playing at home etc

I wouldn't worry at all about the FFA's commitment - they have bent over backwards to keep the Nix in the past and clearly want NZ as part of the A-League advertising / sponsorship market.

I also think the growing success of the A-League, in terms of its marketability, will financially assist all clubs including the Nix.

I frankly don't see any other option than the path currently being taken if there is to be a Nix in 10 years.

No point worrying about it - just be there and sing.



I agree with quite a lot of the above, and would add to it, as follows:

- the only thing that FFA and the owners really care about (short term) is how many people come through the turnstiles;
- while Phoenix remains relatively competitive (and we are, we did not cop 4:0 like CCM did and they are unquestionably a good team) we are quite an attractive addition in the league (and we do not take a space away from anyone else);
- Ernie is a decent coach and with time and the right players our fortunes will improve, including an unexpected win or two;
- the best we can do to help is to turn up to the games whenever we can;
- a lot could be improved by Gareth & Co at Welnix by spending more money on better publicity - the Breakers still get coverage even when they lose; the NZ Warriors get coverage even when they lose; we do not get much coverage whether we win, lose, play well or not.


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Mainland FC edited December 16, 2013 09:17
Whitby boy wrote:

I suspect none of us think there are any more Terry S's waiting in the wings to write off $Ms on the Nix so the only way the Nix will endure is if the business model is sustainable. Identifying, growing and, occassionally, flogging off NZ talent seems to be a key part of that model. It is also complementary to the owners' ownership motivation of wanting to advance NZ football.

I don't think Ernie can get much more out of the squad he inherited (too many ageing / average payers being paid > their value). He will have the opportunity to make the squad his own this coming off season when a decent number of players are off contract - then the pressure will rightly be on him to deliver.

I think the owners committed to 5 years (?) so there's a couple more seasons after this one for the Nix to solidify (on and off the pitch). I think they too are going through a learning curve - optimum youth development structures, importance of playing at home etc

I wouldn't worry at all about the FFA's commitment - they have bent over backwards to keep the Nix in the past and clearly want NZ as part of the A-League advertising / sponsorship market.

I also think the growing success of the A-League, in terms of its marketability, will financially assist all clubs including the Nix.

I frankly don't see any other option than the path currently being taken if there is to be a Nix in 10 years.

No point worrying about it - just be there and sing.



I agree with quite a lot of the above, and would add to it, as follows:

- the only thing that FFA and the owners really care about (short term) is how many people come through the turnstiles;
- while Phoenix remains relatively competitive (and we are, we did not cop 4:0 like CCM did and they are unquestionably a good team) we are quite an attractive addition in the league (and we do not take a space away from anyone else);
- Ernie is a decent coach and with time and the right personnel our fortunes will improve, including an unexpected win or two;
- the best we can do to help is to turn up to the games whenever we can;
- a lot could be improved by Gareth & Co at Welnix by spending more money on better publicity - the Breakers still get coverage even when they lose; the NZ Warriors get coverage even when they lose; we do not get much coverage whether we win, lose, play well or not.


Mainland FC edited December 16, 2013 09:17
Whitby boy wrote:

I suspect none of us think there are any more Terry S's waiting in the wings to write off $Ms on the Nix so the only way the Nix will endure is if the business model is sustainable. Identifying, growing and, occassionally, flogging off NZ talent seems to be a key part of that model. It is also complementary to the owners' ownership motivation of wanting to advance NZ football.

I don't think Ernie can get much more out of the squad he inherited (too many ageing / average payers being paid > their value). He will have the opportunity to make the squad his own this coming off season when a decent number of players are off contract - then the pressure will rightly be on him to deliver.

I think the owners committed to 5 years (?) so there's a couple more seasons after this one for the Nix to solidify (on and off the pitch). I think they too are going through a learning curve - optimum youth development structures, importance of playing at home etc

I wouldn't worry at all about the FFA's commitment - they have bent over backwards to keep the Nix in the past and clearly want NZ as part of the A-League advertising / sponsorship market.

I also think the growing success of the A-League, in terms of its marketability, will financially assist all clubs including the Nix.

I frankly don't see any other option than the path currently being taken if there is to be a Nix in 10 years.

No point worrying about it - just be there and sing.



I agree with quite a lot of the above, and would add to it, as follows:

- the only thing that FFA and the owners really care about (short term) is how many people come through the turnstiles;
- there is no relegation or promotion, so while Phoenix remains relatively competitive (and we are, we did not cop 4:0 like CCM did) we are quite an attractive addition in the league (and we do not take a space away from anyone else);
- Ernie is a decent coach and with time and the right personnel our fortunes will improve, including an unexpected win or two;
- the best we can do to help is to turn up to the games whenever we can;
- a lot could be improved by Gareth & Co at Welnix by spending more money on better publicity - the Breakers still get coverage even when they lose; the NZ Warriors get coverage even when they lose; we do not get much coverage whether we win, lose, play well or not.