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Posted April 14, 2014 10:10 · last edited April 14, 2014 10:15

Smithy wrote:
f.barisi wrote:

Boxall's never been given a good string of games in his preferred CB role cause:

A) he was needed at right back where's been fine, for a massive hulking CB, who's slow on the turn

B) ernie could't break up our stable and experienced CB pairing to reward Boxall because every other part of the pitch had people out position/less than 5 A league games/and or 17 years old.

He's a better footballer than siggie, suited to ernies game, and in a fair and just universe should win a starting place next season...


 


I love the way you can say this:


He hasn't played many games THEREFORE he's better than siggy AND suited to Ernie's game AND SO he should start next year?


I mean, I'm not a philosophy major or anything but there are some logical gaps the size of the Old Hard News in that argument.


What we know about Boxall is this:
 

1. he is a sub-par A-League right back

2. he was no worse than anyone else in a molestation of the All Whites by Japan (but didn't shine)

3. Ernie preferred Siggy to him, and then Luke Adams to him, at centre back

4. Ernie played him at centre back once and never again

5. he was an unsuccessful MLS centre back where he played 19 games in one season (Vancouver finished last) before being cut early in his second after never playing a first team game.

 

So, while I think Boxall is the future (and miles better than Adams) I think you are all getting carried away calling for him to replace Siggy immediately. He has yet to prove anything, anywhere and I'm sick of us putting players into our starting XI before they have proven themselves.


I'd like to see Boxall win his way into the A-League through the ASB Premiership like Sigmund had to. Or like Riera has done. This signing kids for the sake of Gareth's youth policy bullshit is taking us no place.



3. is wrong in regards to Luke Adams.


Also..

Tyler Boyd/Louis Fenton are good examples of signing kids. Both standouts at their level. But Luke Adams wasn't. Neither was JBS in Australia, he only stood out in an average league and not for his country. What about other NZ U20 standouts say Storm Roux and Bill Tuiloma? I think the NZ talent is there, we just need to sign the right ones.


BTW, didn't Boxall have time at Auckland City before going to the States/Canada? I'm sure being a MLS player and an All White outweighs coming through ASB Premiership. Can't see the relevance of that argument.

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Luis Garcia edited April 14, 2014 10:15
Smithy wrote:
f.barisi wrote:

Boxall's never been given a good string of games in his preferred CB role cause:

A) he was needed at right back where's been fine, for a massive hulking CB, who's slow on the turn

B) ernie could't break up our stable and experienced CB pairing to reward Boxall because every other part of the pitch had people out position/less than 5 A league games/and or 17 years old.

He's a better footballer than siggie, suited to ernies game, and in a fair and just universe should win a starting place next season...


 


I love the way you can say this:


He hasn't played many games THEREFORE he's better than siggy AND suited to Ernie's game AND SO he should start next year?


I mean, I'm not a philosophy major or anything but there are some logical gaps the size of the Old Hard News in that argument.


What we know about Boxall is this:
 

1. he is a sub-par A-League right back

2. he was no worse than anyone else in a molestation of the All Whites by Japan (but didn't shine)

3. Ernie preferred Siggy to him, and then Luke Adams to him, at centre back

4. Ernie played him at centre back once and never again

5. he was an unsuccessful MLS centre back where he played 19 games in one season (Vancouver finished last) before being cut early in his second after never playing a first team game.

So, while I think Boxall is the future (and miles better than Adams) I think you are all getting carried away calling for him to replace Siggy immediately. He has yet to prove anything, anywhere and I'm sick of us putting players into our starting XI before they have proven themselves.


I'd like to see Boxall win his way into the A-League through the ASB Premiership like Sigmund had to. Or like Riera has done. This signing kids for the sake of Gareth's youth policy bullshit is taking us no place.



3. is wrong.


Also..

Tyler Boyd/Louis Fenton are good examples of signing kids. Both standouts at their level. But Luke Adams wasn't. Neither was JBS in Australia, he only stood out in an average league and not for his country. What about other NZ U20 standouts say Storm Roux and Bill Tuiloma? I think the NZ talent is there, we just need to sign the right ones.


BTW, didn't Boxall have time at Auckland City before going to the States/Canada? I'm sure being a MLS player and an All White outweighs coming through ASB Premiership. Can't see the relevance of that argument.

Luis Garcia edited April 14, 2014 10:14
Smithy wrote:
f.barisi wrote:

Boxall's never been given a good string of games in his preferred CB role cause:

A) he was needed at right back where's been fine, for a massive hulking CB, who's slow on the turn

B) ernie could't break up our stable and experienced CB pairing to reward Boxall because every other part of the pitch had people out position/less than 5 A league games/and or 17 years old.

He's a better footballer than siggie, suited to ernies game, and in a fair and just universe should win a starting place next season...


 


I love the way you can say this:


He hasn't played many games THEREFORE he's better than siggy AND suited to Ernie's game AND SO he should start next year?


I mean, I'm not a philosophy major or anything but there are some logical gaps the size of the Old Hard News in that argument.


What we know about Boxall is this:
 

1. he is a sub-par A-League right back

2. he was no worse than anyone else in a molestation of the All Whites by Japan (but didn't shine)

3. Ernie preferred Siggy to him, and then Luke Adams to him, at centre back

4. Ernie played him at centre back once and never again

5. he was an unsuccessful MLS centre back where he played 19 games in one season (Vancouver finished last) before being cut early in his second after never playing a first team game.

So, while I think Boxall is the future (and miles better than Adams) I think you are all getting carried away calling for him to replace Siggy immediately. He has yet to prove anything, anywhere and I'm sick of us putting players into our starting XI before they have proven themselves.


I'd like to see Boxall win his way into the A-League through the ASB Premiership like Sigmund had to. Or like Riera has done. This signing kids for the sake of Gareth's youth policy bullshit is taking us no place.



3. is wrong.


Also..


BTW, didn't Boxall have time at Auckland City before going to the States/Canada? I'm sure being a MLS player and an All White outweighs coming through ASB Premiership. Can't see the relevance of that argument.

Luis Garcia edited April 14, 2014 10:12
Smithy wrote:
f.barisi wrote:

Boxall's never been given a good string of games in his preferred CB role cause:

A) he was needed at right back where's been fine, for a massive hulking CB, who's slow on the turn

B) ernie could't break up our stable and experienced CB pairing to reward Boxall because every other part of the pitch had people out position/less than 5 A league games/and or 17 years old.

He's a better footballer than siggie, suited to ernies game, and in a fair and just universe should win a starting place next season...


 


I love the way you can say this:


He hasn't played many games THEREFORE he's better than siggy AND suited to Ernie's game AND SO he should start next year?


I mean, I'm not a philosophy major or anything but there are some logical gaps the size of the Old Hard News in that argument.


What we know about Boxall is this:
 

1. he is a sub-par A-League right back

2. he was no worse than anyone else in a molestation of the All Whites by Japan (but didn't shine)

3. Ernie preferred Siggy to him, and then Luke Adams to him, at centre back

4. Ernie played him at centre back once and never again

5. he was an unsuccessful MLS centre back where he played 19 games in one season (Vancouver finished last) before being cut early in his second after never playing a first team game.

So, while I think Boxall is the future (and miles better than Adams) I think you are all getting carried away calling for him to replace Siggy immediately. He has yet to prove anything, anywhere and I'm sick of us putting players into our starting XI before they have proven themselves.


I'd like to see Boxall win his way into the A-League through the ASB Premiership like Sigmund had to. Or like Riera has done. This signing kids for the sake of Gareth's youth policy bullshit is taking us no place.



3. is wrong.