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Posted May 22, 2017 23:18 · last edited May 22, 2017 23:19

ConanTroutman wrote:

james dean wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Smithy wrote:

martinb wrote:

Moss made very few errors IIRC. A very tidy keeper. Some debate about speed off his line, distribution and in the air, but he consistently ranked better as a keeper than we did as a team.

But to assess his worth we need to know what he cost. I have no idea but without that fact it's impossible.

I heard that he was asking for 50k more than any other keeper in the league is paid. Easy to see why the Phoenix balked at that.

Very.  He's an exceptional shot stopper, but his distribution is not strong (the long punt up the middle or the long kick up the middle) and he was never a commanding presence on cross - he really didn't come out for much at all.  I think he can be replaced

I think people have a tendency to overvalue shot stopping because it's more obviously linked to an outcome. Good distribution which 5 passes later leads to a goal, or a good piece of communication leading to a defender shutting down a chance, or a good grab of a cross before it gets into a dangerous area, are easier to overlook but equally important in terms of contributing to match results.

I agree.  Good shot stopping alone would be expected from a young, athletic keeper, and Italiano would (should) be just as good at that.

The other skills you mention (organising defence, communication skills) are developed with age, time and exposure to playing at a decent level, if the individual potential is there.  While I am not sure if Italiano has that potential or not, I am prepared to give him a chance to prove it rather than just cutting him loose, unless he wanted to go elsewhere for a guaranteed starting spot / better money / family proximity / etc.

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ConanTroutman wrote:
james dean wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
Smithy wrote:
martinb wrote:

Moss made very few errors IIRC. A very tidy keeper. Some debate about speed off his line, distribution and in the air, but he consistently ranked better as a keeper than we did as a team.

But to assess his worth we need to know what he cost. I have no idea but without that fact it's impossible.

I heard that he was asking for 50k more than any other keeper in the league is paid. Easy to see why the Phoenix balked at that.

Very.  He's an exceptional shot stopper, but his distribution is not strong (the long punt up the middle or the long kick up the middle) and he was never a commanding presence on cross - he really didn't come out for much at all.  I think he can be replaced

I think people have a tendency to overvalue shot stopping because it's more obviously linked to an outcome. Good distribution which 5 passes later leads to a goal, or a good piece of communication leading to a defender shutting down a chance, or a good grab of a cross before it gets into a dangerous area, are easier to overlook but equally important in terms of contributing to match results.

I agree.  Good shot stopping alone would be expected from a young, athletic keeper, and Italiano would (should) be just as good at that.

The other skills you mention (organising defence, communication skills) are developed with age, time and exposure to play at a high level, if the potential is there.  While I am not sure if Italiano has that potential or not, I am prepared to give him a chance to prove it rather than just cutting him loose, unless he wanted to go elsewhere for a guaranteed starting spot / better money / family proximity / etc.