People claiming he "wasn't involved" don't have much evidence to back that up as far as I can see.
Sauce for that defence?
Well you can hardly (legitimately) be indignant with me for not crediting your sidebar convo with Ernie when you just stated it without any explanation of how you knew what you claimed to know.
Perhaps if you had said "Ernie told me and Dale that..."
You don't have any evidence either by the way. What you have is heresay. But Ernie's word is good enough for me.