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Posted August 16, 2025 21:58 · last edited August 16, 2025 22:18

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theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
austin111
I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.
Chief always talks about coaches like Biesla as an example of how he wants to play and what his belief in football is. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. 

The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch last season probably reflects a lack of confidence after the team started to flounder, and potentially a lack of ability in the coaching staff and player group to implement it, rather than his belief in how football should be played. He said it would take a couple of months until the team was playing how he wanted, but after a strong start the season started to fall apart and I wonder if that shook him.

I also wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant and worked wonders with both WSW and then us defensively, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to bring in staff to help implement the system that the Phoenix want to play.

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Unknown editor edited August 16, 2025 22:18
Monto
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
austin111
I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.
Chief always talks about coaches like Biesla as an example of how he wants to play and what his belief in football is. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. 

The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch last season probably reflects a lack of confidence after the team started to flounder, and potentially a lack of ability in the coaching staff and player group to implement it, rather than his belief in how football should be played. He said it would take a couple of months until the team was playing how he wanted, but after a strong start the season started to fall apart and I wonder if that shook him.

I also wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant and worked wonders with both WSW and then us defensively, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to change that.
Unknown editor edited August 16, 2025 22:17
Monto
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
austin111
I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.
Chief always talks about coaches like Biesla as an example of how he wants to play and what his belief in football is. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. 

The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch last season probably reflects a lack of confidence after the team started to flounder, and potentially a lack of ability in the coaching staff and player group to implement it, rather than his belief in how football should be played. He said it would take a couple of months until the team was playing how he wanted, but after a strong start the season started to fall apart and I wonder if that shook him.

I wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to change that.
Unknown editor edited August 16, 2025 22:17
Monto
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
austin111
I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.
Chief always talks about coaches like Biesla as an example of how he wants to play and what his belief in football is. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. 

The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch probably reflects a lack of confidence after the team started to flounder, and lack of ability to implement it, rather than his belief in how football should be played. He said it would take a couple of months until the team was playing how he wanted, but after a strong start the season started to fall apart and I wonder if that shook him.

I wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to change that.
Unknown editor edited August 16, 2025 22:16
Monto
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
austin111
I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.
Chief always talks about coaches like Biesla as to how he wants to play and what his belief in football. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. 

The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch probably reflects a lack of confidence after the team started to flounder, and lack of ability to implement it, rather than his belief in how football should be played. He said it would take a couple of months until the team was playing how he wanted, but after a strong start the season started to fall apart and I wonder if that shook him.

I wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to change that.
Unknown editor edited August 16, 2025 22:15
Monto
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
austin111
I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.
Chief always talks about coaches like Biesla as to how he wants to play and what his belief in football. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. 

The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch probably reflects a lack of confidence after the team started to flounder and ability to implement it rather than his belief in how football should be played, but after a strong start the season started to fall apart.

I wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to change that.
Unknown editor edited August 16, 2025 22:14
Monto
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
austin111
I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.
Chief always talks about coaches like Biesla as to how he wants to play and what his belief in football. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch probably reflects a lack of confidence and ability to implement it rather than his belief in how football should be played.

I wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to change that.
Unknown editor edited August 16, 2025 21:58
Monto
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
theprof
MetalLegNZ
I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.
austin111
I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.
He always talks about coaches like Biesla as to how he wants to play and what his belief in football. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch probably reflects a lack of confidence and ability to implement it rather than his belief in how football should be played.

I wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to change that.