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Posted October 09, 2019 23:14 · last edited October 09, 2019 23:16

el grapadura wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

ballane wrote:

Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.

That's right. The other thing also, going back to Krishna, is that he managed to get to the A-league only on his third go - his first two trials with A-league clubs failed. It is a bigger step up than most people realise (although it's probably a bit easier now than a few years back).

When were Krishna's other attempts at the A League? Were they just trials we gave him?

Very early on with us, maybe around 2008? And then with North Queensland Fury, which may have been around 2010 or 2011?

Ah right. I don't think that failing to get a contract from a trial can really be held up as proof of not being good enough as such, just that you weren't what the club was after at that point. I think it's difficult for OFC players because they don't have the buffer of being local in the A League so they have to be that much better to get the attention of A League clubs. If Semmy was a kiwi we would have signed him already.

The point I guess is that it took Krishna years to get to the A-league - it wasn't just one year of adjusting to the league. it took a lot of hard work from him to get there, and even then he needed an adjustment period. Like I said, it's a big step up; it's not just a matter of playing against better players, but levels of fitness, tactical understanding, developing consistency and maintaining it for a longer period of time, mental aspects of the game are all much bigger factors in the professional game and they're not attained easily (or at all for some players).

The comment about if Semmy was a Kiwi is interesting, because on the flipside you have someone like Hamish Watson whose record at Handy Prem is very similar (34 goals in 64 games) and achieved over a longer period of time than Semmy's. Yet no-one is really calling for Watto to be signed (well. not seriously) because he just isn't good enough at the A-league level. So why should Semmy be signed, when he brings the additional baggage of being an import?

Watson was signed though and given a chance to develop in a pro environment. He failed to step up and went back to the Handy. Semmy might do better given the chance. Or worse. Butyou don't know until he gets the shot.

To flip your point about Krishna around though, if he had been given a pro contract and a year to get up to speed earlier, what would his career have looked like? Surely he didn't develop more playing semi-pro (Semmy-Pro?) in NZ than he would have being in a fully professional environment. Other players have made the step up from NZFC/Aus state leagues before too. Sigmund and Manny both spring to mind. I'm sure it is a big step up but now is as good a time as any to give him that opportunity because the opportunity cost to the club is incredibly low IMO

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el grapadura wrote:
ConanTroutman wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
ConanTroutman wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
ballane wrote:

Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.

That's right. The other thing also, going back to Krishna, is that he managed to get to the A-league only on his third go - his first two trials with A-league clubs failed. It is a bigger step up than most people realise (although it's probably a bit easier now than a few years back).

When were Krishna's other attempts at the A League? Were they just trials we gave him?

Very early on with us, maybe around 2008? And then with North Queensland Fury, which may have been around 2010 or 2011?

Ah right. I don't think that failing to get a contract from a trial can really be held up as proof of not being good enough as such, just that you weren't what the club was after at that point. I think it's difficult for OFC players because they don't have the buffer of being local in the A League so they have to be that much better to get the attention of A League clubs. If Semmy was a kiwi we would have signed him already.

The point I guess is that it took Krishna years to get to the A-league - it wasn't just one year of adjusting to the league. it took a lot of hard work from him to get there, and even then he needed an adjustment period. Like I said, it's a big step up; it's not just a matter of playing against better players, but levels of fitness, tactical understanding, developing consistency and maintaining it for a longer period of time, mental aspects of the game are all much bigger factors in the professional game and they're not attained easily (or at all for some players).

The comment about if Semmy was a Kiwi is interesting, because on the flipside you have someone like Hamish Watson whose record at Handy Prem is very similar (34 goals in 64 games) and achieved over a longer period of time than Semmy's. Yet no-one is really calling for Watto to be signed (well. not seriously) because he just isn't good enough at the A-league level. So why should Semmy be signed, when he brings the additional baggage of being an import?

Watson was signed though and given a chance to develop in a pro environment. He failed to step up and went back to the Handy.

To flip your point about Krishna around though, if he had been given a pro contract and a year to get up to speed earlier, what would his career have looked like? Surely he didn't develop more playing semi-pro (Semmy-Pro?) in NZ than he would have being in a fully professional environment. Other players have made the step up from NZFC/Aus state leagues before too. Sigmund and Manny both spring to mind. I'm sure it is a big step up but now is as good a time as any to give him that opportunity because the opportunity cost to the club is incredibly low IMO