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Posted December 15, 2012 04:06 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:33

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I understand what you are saying in a lot of respects you are right. We really can't self destruct and blow the club up. Without YF, there would be a rather large hole that simply would not be filled. You also said you have a few choice words to add, so please, share them.

I guess its a bit of kidology really so follow me if you will

For so long, YF has had an 'inactive' involvement with the club with Tony P being on here, the Retro Ricki, the scholarship and as I mentioned the other day re:Marco and the canning of the scholarship. It think when you have such a sense of engagement with the club to the point that you basically find them the star of the league (right now) you come to take that engagement or 'ownership' for granted. I understand reading on here that the YF exec have pulled money from their own pockets for this club in terms of supporter related events. No one asked them to, they just did it themselves (whats a server and internet cost to run a forum?) Its fair to say that YF and the club have been very intertwined for a long time. No one asked YF to, its just progressed that way rightly or wrongly.

Now the club have had a horrible week from a PR point no doubt and its making people question what it is about the club that kept them engaged when that engagement has been taken away. No more scholarship (I can't say I agree but its their toy), an owner speaking up about how the team must play (and again, find me where that happens anywhere in the world). If you've bought into this and as a fan, you feel that sense of engagement or 'ownership' then how would you react. If I give a kid a toy for an hour and then take it away while they are still playing with it, whats the kid going to do? Lets be real, when you are whinging about crowds and moving games away from Wellington ('we bought the club because its all about Wellington') you ditch the scholarship and then cross over into the coaches role, its hardly a charm offensive that says to people 'get on board and follow us'  - in fact quite the opposite.

As stated by others, the club wanted the Sunday afternoon 'family friendly' time for home games but then aim all their marketing around the Fever zone.... So again, if you remove that engagement and the reason to come for the solid, loyal fan base, yet market to that particular section for the ground when the target time zone is 'families' .... what the...? As mentioned above, they wont come on here and read the comments nor really care what the majority of us think, yet they want us to come to the games and market the game around the Fever zone, want to play 'total football' but don't want to bring in the players that con do it tomorrow. Someone really has not thought this through at all before they opened their mouth OR acted.

The fact of the matter is they are not experienced at running a football club and they should really be keeping their noses out of the jobs that others are paid to do coach, marketing etc... Gareth is not the most eloquent man to be talking (more like Farmer Joe) so even more reason for him to stay silent. Again I respect that this is his club and he is entitled to run it as he sees fit but I wonder if he has really sat back and thought this one through. He is meant to be a smart guy from what I gather but this week, he is leaving a strong impression that he is anything but.

When you read the above, and think about the costs to go, kids, food, travel, time... its far easier to say 'fudge it, I already pay for Sky' and stay home. ESPECIALLY when its universally accepted its not a flash product on the pitch right now.

You might call it self destruction and ludicrous speak but there is a danger that if they run to the well once too often and call fire when its just smouldering, they might find that next time the well will be empty and it will keep blazing away.

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I understand what you are saying in a lot of respects you are right. We really can't self destruct and blow the club up. Without YF, there would be a rather large hole that simply would not be filled. You also said you have a few choice words to add, so please, share them.

I guess its a bit of kidology really so follow me if you will

For so long, YF has had an 'inactive' involvement with the club with Tony P being on here, the Retro Ricki, the scholarship and as I mentioned the other day re:Marco and the canning of the scholarship. It think when you have such a sense of engagement with the club to the point that you basically find them the star of the league (right now) you come to take that engagement or 'ownership' for granted. I understand reading on here that the YF exec have pulled money from their own pockets for this club in terms of supporter related events. No one asked them to, they just did it themselves (whats a server and internet cost to run a forum?) Its fair to say that YF and the club have been very intertwined for a long time. No one asked YF to, its just progressed that way rightly or wrongly.

Now the club have had a horrible week from a PR point no doubt and its making people question what it is about the club that kept them engaged when that engagement has been taken away. No more scholarship (I can't say I agree but its their toy), an owner speaking up about how the team must play (and again, find me where that happens anywhere in the world). If you've bought into this and as a fan, you feel that sense of engagement or 'ownership' then how would you react. If I give a kid a toy for an hour and then take it away while they are still playing with it, whats the kid going to do? Lets be real, when you are whinging about crowds and moving games away from Wellington ('we bought the club because its all about Wellington') you ditch the scholarship and then cross over into the coaches role, its hardly a charm offensive that says to people 'get on board and follow us'  - in fact quite the opposite.

As stated by others, the club wanted the Sunday afternoon 'family friendly' time for home games but then aim all their marketing around the Fever zone.... So again, if you remove that engagement and the reason to come for the solid, loyal fan base, yet market to that particular section for the ground when the target time zone is 'families' .... what the...? As mentioned above, they wont come on here and read the comments nor really care what the majority of us think, yet they want us to come to the games and market the game around the Fever zone, want to play 'total football' but don't want to bring in the players that con do it tomorrow. Someone really has not thought this through at all before they opened their mouth OR acted.

The fact of the matter is they are not experienced at running a football club and they should really be keeping their noses out of the jobs that others are paid to do coach, marketing etc... Gareth is not the most eloquent man to be talking (more like Farmer Joe) so even more reason for him to stay silent. Again I respect that this is his club and he is entitled to run it as he sees fit but I wonder if he has really sat back and thought this one through. He is meant to be a smart guy from what I gather but this week, he is leaving a strong impression that he is anything but.

When you read the above, and think about the costs to go, kids, food, travel, time... its far easier to say 'fuck it, I already pay for Sky' and stay home. ESPECIALLY when its universally accepted its not a flash product on the pitch right now.

You might call it self destruction and ludicrous speak but there is a danger that if they run to the well once too often and call fire when its just smouldering, they might find that next time the well will be empty and it will keep blazing away.

Jeff Vader edited December 15, 2012 04:07

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I understand what you are saying in a lot of respect you are right. We really can't self destruct and blow the club up. Without YF, there would be a rather large hole that simply would not be filled. You also said you have a few choice words to add, so please, share them.

I guess its a bit of kidology really so follow me if you will

For so long, YF has had an 'inactive' involvement with the club with Tony P being on here, the Retro Ricki, the scholarship and as I mentioned the other day re:Marco and the canning of the scholarship. It think when you have such a sense of engagement with the club to the point that you basically find them the star of the league (right now) you come to take that engagement or 'ownership' for granted. I understand reading on here that the YF exec have pulled money from their own pockets for this club in terms of supporter related events. No one asked them to, they just did it themselves (whats a server and internet cost to run a forum?) Its fair to say that YF and the club have been very intertwined for a long time. No one asked YF to, its just progressed that way.

Now the club have had a horrible week from a PR point no doubt and its making people question what it is about the club that kept them engaged when that engagement has been taken away. No more scholarship (I can't say I agree but its their toy), an owner speaking up about how the team must play (and again, find me where that happens anywhere in the world). If you've bought into this and as a fan, you feel that sense of engagement or 'ownership' then how would you react. If I give a kid a toy for an hour and then take it away while they are still playing with it, whats the kid going to do? Lets be real, when you are whinging about crowds and moving games away from Wellington ('we bought the club because its all about Wellington') you ditch the scholarship and then cross over into the coaches role, its hardly a charm offensive that says to people 'get on board and follow us'  - in fact quite the opposite.

As stated by others, the club wanted the Sunday afternoon 'family friendly' time for home games but then aim all their marketing around the Fever zone.... So again, if you remove that engagement and the reason to come for the solid, loyal fan base, yet market to that particular section for the ground when the target time zone is 'families' .... what the...? As mentioned above, they wont come on here and read the comments nor really care what the majority of us think, yet they want us to come to the games and market the game around the Fever zone, want to play 'total football' but don't want to bring in the players that con do it tomorrow. Someone really has not thought this through at all before they opened their mouth OR acted.

The fact of the matter is they are not experienced at running a football club and they should really be keeping their noses out of the jobs that others are paid to do coach, marketing etc... Gareth is not the most eloquent man to be talking (more like Farmer Joe) so even more reason for him to stay silent. Again I respect that this is his club and he is entitled to run it as he sees fit but I wonder if he has really sat back and thought this one through. He is meant to be a smart guy from what I gather but this week, he is leaving a strong impression that he is anything but.

When you read the above, and think about the costs to go, kids, food, travel, time... its far easier to say 'fuck it, I already pay for Sky' and stay home. ESPECIALLY when its universally accepted its not a flash product on the pitch right now.

You might call it self destruction and ludicrous speak but there is a danger that if they run to the well once too often and call fire when its just smouldering, they might find that next time the well will be empty and it will keep blazing away.