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Posted December 18, 2012 08:53 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:33

terminator_x wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

We do get our say. We get it relative to the amount contributed. Considering my Sky subscription and what part is football and how much of a minuscule percentage of the total money put in (0.00000000001% would be close) I get my say in this on-line forum and my contribution is accounted for in the exact same worth as I contribute financially i.e. you want a say, pony up some real cold hard Benjamin's cause tickets and a sky subscription entitle us to a say of fudge all....



So you don't believe in any form of consumer advocacy or users associations or collective bargaining power or supporter's trusts then?

What really is the balance of power between "owners" and fans? What should it be?

In the words of the great Jordan Luck "who needs who the most?"



I know what you mean and think you've had some great posts on the thread, but it's just the reality of what they have at risk versus what we do

They need football like a hole in the wallet. 

and footy fans that want an A League team need Welnix more than they need us.

Sure we put up something like 8k*$25*14=$2.8m in ticket sales.  +TV
But if we don't turn up, who's on the hook to fund however much of that $2.8m that might not come in?  Us or them?  In addition to the $2m they are already expecting to front for as a typical loss.
They are the guys with it on the line.

I think they get to make the calls

When you have that much at risk you get to make the calls.  But sure, they should want to know what the fans think.  I think they have a good idea that the wider group of fans want more entertaining and they are not just shooting from the hip with this.

Trouble is they have to make some judgement calls around the bazillion different opinions out there, plus the difference betwen what hardcore might want and what a wider audience might want.  Seems to me they are listening.  When the Fever are chanting "we don't know what we're doing" they are not going to do nothing about it.  Maybe they should have had a committee meeting with James Dean, Steve-O, Hard News and Feverish to decide what to do?  Maybe a public meeting in the CakeTin?  Someone has to make the call and they have. 


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terminator_x wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

We do get our say. We get it relative to the amount contributed. Considering my Sky subscription and what part is football and how much of a minuscule percentage of the total money put in (0.00000000001% would be close) I get my say in this on-line forum and my contribution is accounted for in the exact same worth as I contribute financially i.e. you want a say, pony up some real cold hard Benjamin's cause tickets and a sky subscription entitle us to a say of fuck all....



So you don't believe in any form of consumer advocacy or users associations or collective bargaining power or supporter's trusts then?

What really is the balance of power between "owners" and fans? What should it be?

In the words of the great Jordan Luck "who needs who the most?"



I know what you mean and think you've had some great posts on the thread, but it's just the reality of what they have at risk versus what we do

They need football like a hole in the wallet. 

and footy fans that want an A League team need Welnix more than they need us.

Sure we put up something like 8k*$25*14=$2.8m in ticket sales.  +TV
But if we don't turn up, who's on the hook to fund however much of that $2.8m that might not come in?  Us or them?  In addition to the $2m they are already expecting to front for as a typical loss.
They are the guys with it on the line.

I think they get to make the calls

When you have that much at risk you get to make the calls.  But sure, they should want to know what the fans think.  I think they have a good idea that the wider group of fans want more entertaining and they are not just shooting from the hip with this.

Trouble is they have to make some judgement calls around the bazillion different opinions out there, plus the difference betwen what hardcore might want and what a wider audience might want.  Seems to me they are listening.  When the Fever are chanting "we don't know what we're doing" they are not going to do nothing about it.  Maybe they should have had a committee meeting with James Dean, Steve-O, Hard News and Feverish to decide what to do?  Maybe a public meeting in the CakeTin?  Someone has to make the call and they have.