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Posted January 24, 2013 21:50 · last edited January 24, 2013 21:58

terminator_x wrote:

james dean wrote:

terminator_x wrote:

You know what? A lot of our angst has its roots in 2 very flawed assumptions:

1. That having high expectations actually means shit. Just because we all thought this season would be good doesn't make it good. There's any number of things that could have gone wrong this season, apart from the stuff that's actually happened. That's football. Somebody has to be last. We all need to stop being a bunch of arrogant, self-entitled pussies, man the fuck up and support this team.

2. That our season is actually over already. It ain't. We beat the Jets on Sunday and we are right back in the play-off mix. At the end of this weekend we could easily be within 3 pts of 5th place, maybe even 2 pts if things go our way. This is precisely the wrong time for us as Nix supporters to go all sulky and emo. Again, we need to get our shit together and then unleash some very, very, very pent up angry shit on the Jets.

I am already over today's minor kerfuffle. Peace.

#dontstopbelievin



Sorry that's got nothing to do with Gareth's rant and it's just not reality.

We're last for a reason and we should be able to get pissed off about that and demand better.

I think there is a flawed assumption at the heart of all of this and it's that all of these terrible results are going to be good for us in the long term?  Someone needs to tell me why that is because I can't see ANYTHING good that is coming out of this.


You've obviously forgotten about Brisbane Roar's 2009/2010 season then. They found themselves in almost exactly the same position (finished 9th) while implementing a new style before going on to win the title the following year. A lot of the same growing pains are evident with us, including rumours of players not wanting to buy in to the changes. If you can't see ANYTHING good coming out of this then you just don't want to look.



Certainly haven't forgotten it - in fact it provides quite a good comparison to what we're doing.  Here are the players released by Ange during that season at the Roar left from the Farina regime.  He unceremoniously shipped out the old guard who wouldn't respond to his changes and brought in his own players the next season and went on to win the league.  In the next off season he signed 12 new players.  Are we prepared to do the same and would Ricki have the balls to get rid of guys of that standing - basically half of their starting XI?  Gareth has already ruled out drastic off season changes (for what it is worth)

Liam Reddy

Craig Moore

Charlie Miller

Tahj Minniecon

Chris Grossman

Ben Griffen

Seo Hyuk-Su

Bob Malcolm

Danny Tiatto

All we have to show for our change of style are a lot of goals against and a couple of halves where we knocked round some niceish triangles in games we lost, and didn't score in.  It's not a lot to cling on to is it?


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james dean edited January 24, 2013 21:58
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

You know what? A lot of our angst has its roots in 2 very flawed assumptions:

1. That having high expectations actually means shit. Just because we all thought this season would be good doesn't make it good. There's any number of things that could have gone wrong this season, apart from the stuff that's actually happened. That's football. Somebody has to be last. We all need to stop being a bunch of arrogant, self-entitled pussies, man the fuck up and support this team.

2. That our season is actually over already. It ain't. We beat the Jets on Sunday and we are right back in the play-off mix. At the end of this weekend we could easily be within 3 pts of 5th place, maybe even 2 pts if things go our way. This is precisely the wrong time for us as Nix supporters to go all sulky and emo. Again, we need to get our shit together and then unleash some very, very, very pent up angry shit on the Jets.

I am already over today's minor kerfuffle. Peace.

#dontstopbelievin



Sorry that's got nothing to do with Gareth's rant and it's just not reality.

We're last for a reason and we should be able to get pissed off about that and demand better.

I think there is a flawed assumption at the heart of all of this and it's that all of these terrible results are going to be good for us in the long term?  Someone needs to tell me why that is because I can't see ANYTHING good that is coming out of this.


You've obviously forgotten about Brisbane Roar's 2009/2010 season then. They found themselves in almost exactly the same position (finished 9th) while implementing a new style before going on to win the title the following year. A lot of the same growing pains are evident with us, including rumours of players not wanting to buy in to the changes. If you can't see ANYTHING good coming out of this then you just don't want to look.



Certainly haven't forgotten it - in fact it provides quite a good comparison to what we're doing.  Here are the players released by Ange during that season at the Roar left from the Farina regime.  He unceremoniously shipped out the old guard who wouldn't respond to his changes and brought in his own players the next season and went on to win the league.  In the next off season he signed 12 new players.  Are we prepared to do the same and would Ricki have the balls to get rid of guys of that standing - basically half of their starting XI?  Gareth has already ruled out drastic off season changes (for what it is worth)

Liam Reddy

Craig Moore

Charlie Miller

Tahj Minniecon

Chris Grossman

Ben Griffen

Seo Hyuk-Su

Bob Malcolm

Danny Tiatto



james dean edited January 24, 2013 21:56
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

You know what? A lot of our angst has its roots in 2 very flawed assumptions:

1. That having high expectations actually means shit. Just because we all thought this season would be good doesn't make it good. There's any number of things that could have gone wrong this season, apart from the stuff that's actually happened. That's football. Somebody has to be last. We all need to stop being a bunch of arrogant, self-entitled pussies, man the fuck up and support this team.

2. That our season is actually over already. It ain't. We beat the Jets on Sunday and we are right back in the play-off mix. At the end of this weekend we could easily be within 3 pts of 5th place, maybe even 2 pts if things go our way. This is precisely the wrong time for us as Nix supporters to go all sulky and emo. Again, we need to get our shit together and then unleash some very, very, very pent up angry shit on the Jets.

I am already over today's minor kerfuffle. Peace.

#dontstopbelievin



Sorry that's got nothing to do with Gareth's rant and it's just not reality.

We're last for a reason and we should be able to get pissed off about that and demand better.

I think there is a flawed assumption at the heart of all of this and it's that all of these terrible results are going to be good for us in the long term?  Someone needs to tell me why that is because I can't see ANYTHING good that is coming out of this.


You've obviously forgotten about Brisbane Roar's 2009/2010 season then. They found themselves in almost exactly the same position (finished 9th) while implementing a new style before going on to win the title the following year. A lot of the same growing pains are evident with us, including rumours of players not wanting to buy in to the changes. If you can't see ANYTHING good coming out of this then you just don't want to look.



Certainly haven't forgotten it - in fact it provides quite a good comparison.  Here are the players released by Ange during that season at the Roar left from the Farina regime.  He basically shipped out the old guard who wouldn't respond to his changes and brought in his own players the next season and went on to win the league.  In the next off season he signed 12 new players.  Are we prepared to do the same?  Not according to Gareth

No. Position Player
1 Australia GK Liam Reddy (to Wellington Phoenix)
4 Australia DF Craig Moore (to AO Kavala)
10 Scotland MF Charlie Miller (to Gold Coast United)
12 Australia FW Tahj Minniecon (to Gold Coast United)
13 Australia MF Chris Grossman (to North Queensland Fury)
14 Australia DF Ben Griffin (to Mitchelton Football Club)
16 South Korea DF Seo Hyuk-Su (to Brisbane Olympic)
16 Scotland DF Bob Malcolm (to Dundee)
18 Australia DF Danny Tiatto (to Melbourne Knights)