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Posted October 22, 2015 21:00 · last edited October 22, 2015 21:14

Global Game wrote:

Hard News wrote:

It would be typically short sighted of them though.  

The same geniuses that thought Clive Palmer and Nathan Tinkler were good ideas are behind putting a club in a non-footballing stronghold who's limited football fanbase is generally aligned to Sydney FC.

Cannibalisation won't grow the league it will just dilute the market you have.

Mind you this is also the geniuses who think the opposing teams in a derby match lining up facing each other isn't remotely contrived or embarrassing.


De Bohun needs to spend more time making this league viable and less time out on this piss until four in the morning.

If you are referring to Sutherland, you are seriously misinformed. The people of the Sutherland Shire (and a lot of Wollongong/Illawarra) would support Sutherland and Sydney FC would lose about one third of its fan base.

On this wider issue though, there is a natural untapped derby "market" of 1.2 million in Auckland. From a franchising perspective it sharks all over supposed other Aussie regional or even Sydney/Melbourne new entry markets. Hyundai as major sponsor would surely want Auckland in the mix too. League, basketball "Aussie" leagues have been trans Tasman leagues for years. Our primary rugby and netball competitions don't work without Kiwis and Aussies working together. As much as we love to hate each other, we desperately need each other. The posturing is getting ridiculous now and both key parties need to put an end to it quickly.

On the first issue, Global Game is right - Sutherland Shire (where Graeme Arnold was a junior player) is pretty much a cradle of NSW football as much as Northern NSW. These are people who supported local football for generations, side by side with other codes; much like the South Coast (Woollongong / Illawarra).  

On the second issue, "yes, but".  There would need to be serious grassroots movement in Auckland first, clamouring for a licence to play in the A-League. Yes there has been a large population growth in Auckland in the last decade. However, it came largely from countries with minor footballing cultures (India, PRC). Getting an A-league class franchise off the ground in Auckland would need some serious corporate funding and a concerted media beat-up, while at the same time protecting the ongoing interests of the Phoenix. I know Gareth Morgan said several times that Auckland is the natural place to grow football in this country and he would be keen to give it a leg-up, but i would not want to whiteant The Nix just to grow football in Auckland.

Finally, all other Trans-Tasman competitions are not subject to overarching regulations by regional and global federations, and do not seem to have the same long-entrenched political infighting over serious money both from TV broadcasters and from FIFA. Note that I said "do not seem to have", so anyone with an insider's view on netball, basketball, NRL inside politics etc is free to correct me.

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Mainland FC edited October 22, 2015 21:14
Global Game wrote:
Hard News wrote:

It would be typically short sighted of them though.  

The same geniuses that thought Clive Palmer and Nathan Tinkler were good ideas are behind putting a club in a non-footballing stronghold who's limited football fanbase is generally aligned to Sydney FC.

Cannibalisation won't grow the league it will just dilute the market you have.

Mind you this is also the geniuses who think the opposing teams in a derby match lining up facing each other isn't remotely contrived or embarrassing.


De Bohun needs to spend more time making this league viable and less time out on this piss until four in the morning.

If you are referring to Sutherland, you are seriously misinformed. The people of the Sutherland Shire (and a lot of Wollongong/Illawarra) would support Sutherland and Sydney FC would lose about one third of its fan base.

On this wider issue though, there is a natural untapped derby "market" of 1.2 million in Auckland. From a franchising perspective it sharks all over supposed other Aussie regional or even Sydney/Melbourne new entry markets. Hyundai as major sponsor would surely want Auckland in the mix too. League, basketball "Aussie" leagues have been trans Tasman leagues for years. Our primary rugby and netball competitions don't work without Kiwis and Aussies working together. As much as we love to hate each other, we desperately need each other. The posturing is getting ridiculous now and both key parties need to put an end to it quickly.

On the first issue, Global Game is right - Sutherland Shire (where Graeme Arnold was a junior player) is pretty much a cradle of NSW football as much as Northern NSW. These are people who supported local football for generations, side by side with other codes; much like the South Coast (Woollongong / Illawarra).  

On the second issue, "yes, but".  There would need to be serious grassroots movement in Auckland first, clamouring for a licence to play in the A-League. Yes there has been a large population growth in Auckland in the last decade. However, it came largely from countries with minor footballing cultures (India, PRC). Getting an A-league class franchise off the ground in Auckland would need some serious corporate funding and a concerted media beat-up, while at the same time protecting the ongoing interests of the Phoenix. I know Gareth Morgan said several times that Auckland is the natural place to grow football in this country and he would be keen to give it a leg-up, but i would not want to whiteant The Nix just to grow football in Auckland.

Finally, all other Trans-Tasman competitions are not subject to overarching regulations by regional and global federations, and do not seem to have the same long-entrenched political infighting over serious money both from TV is from FIFA. Note that I said "do not seem to have", so anyone with an insider's view on netball, basketball, NRL inside politics etc is free to correct me.

Mainland FC edited October 22, 2015 21:13
Global Game wrote:
Hard News wrote:

It would be typically short sighted of them though.  

The same geniuses that thought Clive Palmer and Nathan Tinkler were good ideas are behind putting a club in a non-footballing stronghold who's limited football fanbase is generally aligned to Sydney FC.

Cannibalisation won't grow the league it will just dilute the market you have.

Mind you this is also the geniuses who think the opposing teams in a derby match lining up facing each other isn't remotely contrived or embarrassing.


De Bohun needs to spend more time making this league viable and less time out on this piss until four in the morning.

If you are referring to Sutherland, you are seriously misinformed. The people of the Sutherland Shire (and a lot of Wollongong/Illawarra) would support Sutherland and Sydney FC would lose about one third of its fan base.

On this wider issue though, there is a natural untapped derby "market" of 1.2 million in Auckland. From a franchising perspective it sharks all over supposed other Aussie regional or even Sydney/Melbourne new entry markets. Hyundai as major sponsor would surely want Auckland in the mix too. League, basketball "Aussie" leagues have been trans Tasman leagues for years. Our primary rugby and netball competitions don't work without Kiwis and Aussies working together. As much as we love to hate each other, we desperately need each other. The posturing is getting ridiculous now and both key parties need to put an end to it quickly.

On the first issue, Global Game is right - Sutherland Shire (where Graeme Arnold was a junior player) is pretty much a cradle of NSW football as much as Northern NSW. These are people who supported local football for generations, side by side with other codes; much like the South Coast (Woollongong / Illawarra).  

On the second issue, "yes, but".  There would need to be serious grassroots movement in Auckland first, clamouring for a licence to play in the A-League. Yes there has been a large population growth in Auckland in the last decade. However, it came largely from countries with minor footballing cultures (India, PRC). Getting an A-league class franchise off the ground would in Auckland would need some serious corporate funding and a concerted media beat-up, while at the same time protecting the ongoing interests of the Phoenix. I know gareth Morgan said several times Auckland is the natural place to grow football in this country and he would be keen to give it a leg-up, but i would not want to whiteant The Nix just to grow football in Auckland.

Finally, all other Trans-Tasman competitions are not subject to overarching regulations by regional and global federations, and do not seem to have the same long-entrenched political infighting over serious money both from TV is from FIFA. Note that I said "do not seem to have", so anyone with an insider's view on netball, basketball, NRL inside politics etc is free to correct me.

Mainland FC edited October 22, 2015 21:11
Global Game wrote:
Hard News wrote:

It would be typically short sighted of them though.  

The same geniuses that thought Clive Palmer and Nathan Tinkler were good ideas are behind putting a club in a non-footballing stronghold who's limited football fanbase is generally aligned to Sydney FC.

Cannibalisation won't grow the league it will just dilute the market you have.

Mind you this is also the geniuses who think the opposing teams in a derby match lining up facing each other isn't remotely contrived or embarrassing.


De Bohun needs to spend more time making this league viable and less time out on this piss until four in the morning.

If you are referring to Sutherland, you are seriously misinformed. The people of the Sutherland Shire (and a lot of Wollongong/Illawarra) would support Sutherland and Sydney FC would lose about one third of its fan base.

On this wider issue though, there is a natural untapped derby "market" of 1.2 million in Auckland. From a franchising perspective it sharks all over supposed other Aussie regional or even Sydney/Melbourne new entry markets. Hyundai as major sponsor would surely want Auckland in the mix too. League, basketball "Aussie" leagues have been trans Tasman leagues for years. Our primary rugby and netball competitions don't work without Kiwis and Aussies working together. As much as we love to hate each other, we desperately need each other. The posturing is getting ridiculous now and both key parties need to put an end to it quickly.

On the first issue, Global Game is right - Sutherland Shire (where Graeme Arnold was a junior player) is pretty much a cradle of NSW football as much as Northern NSW. These are people who supported local football for generations, side by side with other codes; much like the South Coast (Woollongong / Illawarra).  

On the second issue, "yes, but".  There would need to be serious grassroots movement in Auckland first, clamouring for a licence to play in the A-League. large population growth in Auckland in the last decade came largely countries with minor footballing culture (India, PRC, South Africa?) and getting an A-league class franchise off the ground would need serious corporate funding and media beat-up.

Finally, all other Trans-Tasman competitions are not subject to overarching regulations by regional and global federations, and do not seem to have the same long-entrenched political infighting over serious money both from TV is from FIFA.

I said "do not seem to have", so anyone with an insider's view on netball, basketball, NRL inside politics etc is free to correct me.

Mainland FC edited October 22, 2015 21:06
Global Game wrote:
Hard News wrote:

It would be typically short sighted of them though.  

The same geniuses that thought Clive Palmer and Nathan Tinkler were good ideas are behind putting a club in a non-footballing stronghold who's limited football fanbase is generally aligned to Sydney FC.

Cannibalisation won't grow the league it will just dilute the market you have.

Mind you this is also the geniuses who think the opposing teams in a derby match lining up facing each other isn't remotely contrived or embarrassing.


De Bohun needs to spend more time making this league viable and less time out on this piss until four in the morning.

If you are referring to Sutherland, you are seriously misinformed. The people of the Sutherland Shire (and a lot of Wollongong/Illawarra) would support Sutherland and Sydney FC would lose about one third of its fan base.

On this wider issue though, there is a natural untapped derby "market" of 1.2 million in Auckland. From a franchising perspective it sharks all over supposed other Aussie regional or even Sydney/Melbourne new entry markets. Hyundai as major sponsor would surely want Auckland in the mix too. League, basketball "Aussie" leagues have been trans Tasman leagues for years. Our primary rugby and netball competitions don't work without Kiwis and Aussies working together. As much as we love to hate each other, we desperately need each other. The posturing is getting ridiculous now and both key parties need to put an end to it quickly.

On the first issue, Global Game is right - Sutherland Shire (where Graeme Arnold was a junior player) is pretty much a cradle of NSW football as much as Northern NSW. These are people who supported local football for generations, side by side with other codes; much like the South Coast (Woollongong / Illawarra).  

On the second issue, "yes, but".  All other Trans-Tasman competitions are not subject to overarching regulations by regional and global federations, and do not seem to have the same long-entrenched political infighting over serious money both from TV is from FIFA.

I said "do not seem to have", so anyone with an insider's view on netball, basketball, NRL etc is free to correct me.