Post history

History for valeo

R19 vs Sydney FC | Thur 9th Feb | 9:50pm | SS2

Back to topic

Current version

Posted February 11, 2017 02:52 · last edited February 11, 2017 02:56

ConanTroutman wrote:

valeo wrote:

Smithy wrote:

bennie99 wrote:

As a side note, does Andy Harper get more knobish with each passing year? I'm sure slater was miles worst when the A league first started but Harper is just awful to listen to now. Doesn't help that his beloved Sydney FC are finally living up to his hype after all these years.

Also Finkler is a complete waste of money sadly. I'm sure he's a good bloke but he just hasn't delivered at all this season.

 

Yes to both of these things.

Finkler perhaps the worst value for money signing we've ever made?

Yep. 

It wasn't exactly hard to predict, either. All you had to do was ask Victory fans who previously loved the bloke - his star had faded considerably in his final season there and his limited pace was becoming a huge issue.

I do find it funny that Hernandez got a lot more criticism despite producing far more than Finkler or Rodriguez ever have.

I thought that signing Finkler was truly batshark crazy considering the other holes in our squad at the time.

A-Rod might not have made a lot of goals or assists but he's got the best passing accuracy and most passes per 90 min of any of our mids this year (and only 10% of those passes are backwards) and has won a higher percentage of challenges than Lia (who has been getting a lot of praise this season) as well. I think he gets way more criticism than he deserves because he isn't flashy or anything. At the very least it's not fair to compare a deeper-lying, distributing midfielder's output to that of two genuine no 10s. Also A-Rod and Finkler have the same number of assists this season and. Finkler has only scored one more goal despite playing in a much more advanced role.

Edit: I know stats don't tell everything but A-Rod is there to recycle possession and feed the ball to more advanced mids or wingers, and to break up attacks, and those stats are actually a pretty good measure of how much he does. 

I feel like a broken record constantly defending A-Rod but I always wonder how people miss how much work he gets through

I think A-Rod is incapable of driving the team by himself, but when the other two midfielders are playing well and covering him he's good at recycling possession quickly.

In saying that, a lot of his flaws don't really become apparent just purely by looking at his stats. He gets pushed off the ball easily. Pressured easily. He doesn't play anything incisive. He's not great at tracking his man. Most of the balls he loses are in dangeorus positions. Just watch the game against Sydney. He did not cover himself in glory, despite the goal. (which was lucky but inventive) . I think he just seems a bit of a lightweight in our midfield, personally. Now - a guy like Ridenton probably has similar issues, but he's a kiwi and not an import.

Now, this could be said for most of our midfield so it's not just him. But as an import, we need to have higher standards. A-Rod would not play for any team in the top 4.

Previous versions

4 versions
valeo edited February 11, 2017 02:56
ConanTroutman wrote:
valeo wrote:
Smithy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:

As a side note, does Andy Harper get more knobish with each passing year? I'm sure slater was miles worst when the A league first started but Harper is just awful to listen to now. Doesn't help that his beloved Sydney FC are finally living up to his hype after all these years.

Also Finkler is a complete waste of money sadly. I'm sure he's a good bloke but he just hasn't delivered at all this season.

[/quote] 

Yes to both of these things.

Finkler perhaps the worst value for money signing we've ever made?

Yep. 

It wasn't exactly hard to predict, either. All you had to do was ask Victory fans who previously loved the bloke - his star had faded considerably in his final season there and his limited pace was becoming a huge issue.

I do find it funny that Hernandez got a lot more criticism despite producing far more than Finkler or Rodriguez ever have.

I thought that signing Finkler was truly batshark crazy considering the other holes in our squad at the time.

A-Rod might not have made a lot of goals or assists but he's got the best passing accuracy and most passes per 90 min of any of our mids this year (and only 10% of those passes are backwards) and has won a higher percentage of challenges than Lia (who has been getting a lot of praise this season) as well. I think he gets way more criticism than he deserves because he isn't flashy or anything. At the very least it's not fair to compare a deeper-lying, distributing midfielder's output to that of two genuine no 10s. Also A-Rod and Finkler have the same number of assists this season and. Finkler has only scored one more goal despite playing in a much more advanced role.

Edit: I know stats don't tell everything but A-Rod is there to recycle possession and feed the ball to more advanced mids or wingers, and to break up attacks, and those stats are actually a pretty good measure of how much he does. 

I feel like a broken record constantly defending A-Rod but I always wonder how people miss how much work he gets through

I think A-Rod is incapable of driving the team by himself, but when the other two midfielders are playing well and covering him he's good at recycling possession quickly.

In saying that, a lot of his flaws don't really become apparent just purely by looking at his stats. He gets pushed off the ball easily. Pressured easily. He doesn't play anything incisive. He's not great at tracking his man. Most of the balls he loses are in dangeorus positions. Just watch the game against Sydney. He did not cover himself in glory, despite the goal. (which was lucky but inventive) . I think he just seems a bit of a lightweight in our midfield, personally. Now - a guy like Ridenton probably has similar issues, but he's a kiwi and not an import.

Now, this could be said for most of our midfield so it's not just him. But as an import, we need to have higher standards. A-Rod would not play for any team in the top 4.

[quote=Lonegunmen]

Yep, I had higher expectations too but sadly he has not consistantly performed as well as he did at the Victory. Do the Nix have a habit of turning a good player into a crap one?? Kosta being another example.

Victory had a proper philosophy and players to back the likes of Kosta up. We just seem to give the ball to Kosta, expect him to beat 2 players and score by himself.

Finkler was already a fading star far before we got him. Anyone could see that; really surprised Ernie didn't.

valeo edited February 11, 2017 02:56
ConanTroutman wrote:
valeo wrote:
Smithy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:

As a side note, does Andy Harper get more knobish with each passing year? I'm sure slater was miles worst when the A league first started but Harper is just awful to listen to now. Doesn't help that his beloved Sydney FC are finally living up to his hype after all these years.

Also Finkler is a complete waste of money sadly. I'm sure he's a good bloke but he just hasn't delivered at all this season.

 

Yes to both of these things.

Finkler perhaps the worst value for money signing we've ever made?

Yep. 

It wasn't exactly hard to predict, either. All you had to do was ask Victory fans who previously loved the bloke - his star had faded considerably in his final season there and his limited pace was becoming a huge issue.

I do find it funny that Hernandez got a lot more criticism despite producing far more than Finkler or Rodriguez ever have.

I thought that signing Finkler was truly batshark crazy considering the other holes in our squad at the time.

A-Rod might not have made a lot of goals or assists but he's got the best passing accuracy and most passes per 90 min of any of our mids this year (and only 10% of those passes are backwards) and has won a higher percentage of challenges than Lia (who has been getting a lot of praise this season) as well. I think he gets way more criticism than he deserves because he isn't flashy or anything. At the very least it's not fair to compare a deeper-lying, distributing midfielder's output to that of two genuine no 10s. Also A-Rod and Finkler have the same number of assists this season and. Finkler has only scored one more goal despite playing in a much more advanced role.

Edit: I know stats don't tell everything but A-Rod is there to recycle possession and feed the ball to more advanced mids or wingers, and to break up attacks, and those stats are actually a pretty good measure of how much he does. 

I feel like a broken record constantly defending A-Rod but I always wonder how people miss how much work he gets through

I think A-Rod is incapable of driving the team by himself, but when the other two midfielders are playing well and covering him he's good at recycling possession quickly.

In saying that, a lot of his flaws don't really become apparent just purely by looking at his stats. He gets pushed off the ball easily. Pressured easily. He doesn't play anything incisive. He's not great at tracking his man. Most of the balls he loses are in dangeorus positions. Just watch the game against Sydney. He did not cover himself in glory, despite the goal. (which was lucky but inventive) . I think he just seems a bit of a lightweight in our midfield, personally. Now - a guy like Ridenton probably has similar issues, but he's a kiwi and not an import.

Now, this could be said for most of our midfield so it's not just him. But as an import, we need to have higher standards. A-Rod would not play for any team in the top 4.

valeo edited February 11, 2017 02:54
ConanTroutman wrote:
valeo wrote:
Smithy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:

As a side note, does Andy Harper get more knobish with each passing year? I'm sure slater was miles worst when the A league first started but Harper is just awful to listen to now. Doesn't help that his beloved Sydney FC are finally living up to his hype after all these years.

Also Finkler is a complete waste of money sadly. I'm sure he's a good bloke but he just hasn't delivered at all this season.

 

Yes to both of these things.

Finkler perhaps the worst value for money signing we've ever made?

Yep. 

It wasn't exactly hard to predict, either. All you had to do was ask Victory fans who previously loved the bloke - his star had faded considerably in his final season there and his limited pace was becoming a huge issue.

I do find it funny that Hernandez got a lot more criticism despite producing far more than Finkler or Rodriguez ever have.

I thought that signing Finkler was truly batshark crazy considering the other holes in our squad at the time.

A-Rod might not have made a lot of goals or assists but he's got the best passing accuracy and most passes per 90 min of any of our mids this year (and only 10% of those passes are backwards) and has won a higher percentage of challenges than Lia (who has been getting a lot of praise this season) as well. I think he gets way more criticism than he deserves because he isn't flashy or anything. At the very least it's not fair to compare a deeper-lying, distributing midfielder's output to that of two genuine no 10s. Also A-Rod and Finkler have the same number of assists this season and. Finkler has only scored one more goal despite playing in a much more advanced role.

Edit: I know stats don't tell everything but A-Rod is there to recycle possession and feed the ball to more advanced mids or wingers, and to break up attacks, and those stats are actually a pretty good measure of how much he does. 

I feel like a broken record constantly defending A-Rod but I always wonder how people miss how much work he gets through

I think A-Rod is incapable of driving the team by himself, but when the other two midfielders are playing well he's good at recycling possession quickly.

In saying that, a lot of his flaws don't really become apparent just purely by looking at his stats. He gets pushed off the ball easily. Pressured easily. He doesn't play anything incisive. He's not great at tracking his man. etc. I think he just seems a bit of a lightweight in our midfield, personally. Now - a guy like Ridenton probably has similar issues, but he's a kiwi and not an import.

Now, this could be said for most of our midfield so it's not just him. But as an import, we need to have higher standards. A-Rod would not play for any team in the top 4.

valeo edited February 11, 2017 02:53
ConanTroutman wrote:
valeo wrote:
Smithy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:

As a side note, does Andy Harper get more knobish with each passing year? I'm sure slater was miles worst when the A league first started but Harper is just awful to listen to now. Doesn't help that his beloved Sydney FC are finally living up to his hype after all these years.

Also Finkler is a complete waste of money sadly. I'm sure he's a good bloke but he just hasn't delivered at all this season.

 

Yes to both of these things.

Finkler perhaps the worst value for money signing we've ever made?

Yep. 

It wasn't exactly hard to predict, either. All you had to do was ask Victory fans who previously loved the bloke - his star had faded considerably in his final season there and his limited pace was becoming a huge issue.

I do find it funny that Hernandez got a lot more criticism despite producing far more than Finkler or Rodriguez ever have.

I thought that signing Finkler was truly batshark crazy considering the other holes in our squad at the time.

A-Rod might not have made a lot of goals or assists but he's got the best passing accuracy and most passes per 90 min of any of our mids this year (and only 10% of those passes are backwards) and has won a higher percentage of challenges than Lia (who has been getting a lot of praise this season) as well. I think he gets way more criticism than he deserves because he isn't flashy or anything. At the very least it's not fair to compare a deeper-lying, distributing midfielder's output to that of two genuine no 10s. Also A-Rod and Finkler have the same number of assists this season and. Finkler has only scored one more goal despite playing in a much more advanced role.

Edit: I know stats don't tell everything but A-Rod is there to recycle possession and feed the ball to more advanced mids or wingers, and to break up attacks, and those stats are actually a pretty good measure of how much he does. 

I feel like a broken record constantly defending A-Rod but I always wonder how people miss how much work he gets through

I think A-Rod is incapable of driving the team by himself, but when the other two midfielders are playing well he's good at recycling possession quickly.

In saying that, a lot of his flaws don't really become apparent just purely by looking at his stats. He gets pushed off the ball easily. Pressured easily. He doesn't play anything incisive. He's not great at tracking his man. etc.

Now, this could be said for most of our midfield so it's not just him. But as an import, we need to have higher standards. A-Rod would not play for any team in the top 4.