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Posted April 01, 2018 05:05 · last edited April 01, 2018 05:49

patrick478 wrote:

valeo wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Jesus Patrick, Can you not read what she is saying? It's not the amount of games but the lack of results and the quality of too much of the play in them. On paper our squad should really have delivered and they haven't.

Stop defending every criticism of the club like it is a personal insult to you. Or are you saying that for $169 a season we get the quality we deserve? 

They have delivered a failed product. How many games at "home" have we won compared to those we have lost? And let's be honest, most of the play has been stagnant and defensive. The good news is, is that when things have clicked and the planets aligned, some of the Nix play was outstanding and we really should have thrashed some teams. That 3-3 game, we should have won for example.

All I'm saying that that the club never promised that you'd be buying a season pass to witness the team win their games.

You're not an investor in the club just because you spent $169 on a season pass.

Uhh, what? The fans are the biggest investors and stakeholders in the club and the game.

This is blatantly not true, Welnix and Huawei both invest more money into the Phoenix than ticket sales bring to the club.

So if all the fans stopped going how long do you think the club would survive? If people suddenly stopped watching football on TV how long would the lucrative TV deals last? Why do big clubs keep increasing their grounds capacity? Why do clubs bother selling replica shirts at all if fans are such small fry?

Why do companies want to want to sponsor football clubs in the first place? To sell their tat to football fans obviously.  Fans are as much a revenue for the clubs as sponsorship. They are more important because without them clubs won't exist. 

Also I've had to put up with some bullshark on the pitch in a terrible stadium that suffers when it's empty and my attendance is down due to work but I still fork out the cost of a season ticket and will do next year. That's why we are the biggest stakeholders. 

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Unknown editor edited April 01, 2018 05:49
patrick478 wrote:
valeo wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:

Jesus Patrick, Can you not read what she is saying? It's not the amount of games but the lack of results and the quality of too much of the play in them. On paper our squad should really have delivered and they haven't.

Stop defending every criticism of the club like it is a personal insult to you. Or are you saying that for $169 a season we get the quality we deserve? 

They have delivered a failed product. How many games at "home" have we won compared to those we have lost? And let's be honest, most of the play has been stagnant and defensive. The good news is, is that when things have clicked and the planets aligned, some of the Nix play was outstanding and we really should have thrashed some teams. That 3-3 game, we should have won for example.

All I'm saying that that the club never promised that you'd be buying a season pass to witness the team win their games.

You're not an investor in the club just because you spent $169 on a season pass.

Uhh, what? The fans are the biggest investors and stakeholders in the club and the game.

This is blatantly not true, Welnix and Huawei both invest more money into the Phoenix than ticket sales bring to the club.

So if all the fans stopped going how long do you think the club would survive? If people suddenly stopped watching football on TV how long would the lucrative TV deals last? Why do big clubs keep increasing their grounds capacity? Why do clubs bother selling replica shirts at all if fans are such small fry?

Why do companies want to want to sponsor football clubs in the first place? To sell their tat to football fan's obviously.  Fans are as much a revenue for the clubs as sponsorship. They are more important because without them clubs won't exist. 

Also I've had to put up with some bullshark on the pitch in a terrible stadium that suffers when it's empty and my attendance is down due to work but I still fork out the cost of a season ticket and will do next year. That's why we are the biggest stakeholders. 

Unknown editor edited April 01, 2018 05:28
patrick478 wrote:
valeo wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:

Jesus Patrick, Can you not read what she is saying? It's not the amount of games but the lack of results and the quality of too much of the play in them. On paper our squad should really have delivered and they haven't.

Stop defending every criticism of the club like it is a personal insult to you. Or are you saying that for $169 a season we get the quality we deserve? 

They have delivered a failed product. How many games at "home" have we won compared to those we have lost? And let's be honest, most of the play has been stagnant and defensive. The good news is, is that when things have clicked and the planets aligned, some of the Nix play was outstanding and we really should have thrashed some teams. That 3-3 game, we should have won for example.

All I'm saying that that the club never promised that you'd be buying a season pass to witness the team win their games.

You're not an investor in the club just because you spent $169 on a season pass.

Uhh, what? The fans are the biggest investors and stakeholders in the club and the game.

This is blatantly not true, Welnix and Huawei both invest more money into the Phoenix than ticket sales bring to the club.

So if all the fans stopped going how long do you think the club would survive? If people suddenly stopped watching football on TV how long would the lucrative TV deals last? Why  do big clubs keep increasing their grounds capacity? Why do clubs bother selling replica shirts at all if fans are such small fry?

Why do companies want to want to sponsor football clubs in the first place? To sell their tat to football fan's obviously.  Fans are as much a revenue for the clubs as sponsorship. They are more important because without them clubs won't exist. 

Also I've had to put up with some bullshark on the pitch in a terrible stadium that suffers when it's empty and my attendance is down due to work but I still fork out the cost of a season ticket and will do next year. That's why we are the biggest stakeholders.