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Posted November 09, 2018 21:20 · last edited November 10, 2018 00:25

Kyle1502 wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

if Durant was a pen this was... if not more so as he was facing the ball. Can't blame VAR as the told ref you have made a mistake guving a free kick.... expecting a penalty and the ref has just fudge ed yp royally

The difference is that Durante extended his arm beyond his body, and in the incident tonight the arm was in front of the chest, so a stronger argument exists for the arm in natural position test.

Wonder how this handball would go in the 'natural position' test you refer to. Arm literally beside his body. 

The LOTG state that "the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence", so I don't understand the whole "natural position" 

Well, natural position is a test, but not the only one, hence the instruction that it's not the only thing to be considered. 

Look, the thing is, the player's arms have to be somewhere. So when the ball strikes the player's arm, you have to consider - is it to be expected for the arm to be in that position given the physical action the player is taking? And the thing is, with both Singh and Durante, their arms were outside of their body making contact with the ball, when the movement they were making did not entail that their arms needed to be in that position. The incident last night, the situation is a lot murkier, because the arm is in front of the chest and face, and can be seen as a natural defensive movement. 

The way VAR arrived at that decision was farcical, but that's a VAR issue.

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Kyle1502 wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
MetalLegNZ wrote:

if Durant was a pen this was... if not more so as he was facing the ball. Can't blame VAR as the told ref you have made a mistake guving a free kick.... expecting a penalty and the ref has just fudge ed yp royally

The difference is that Durante extended his arm beyond his body, and in the incident tonight the arm was in front of the chest, so a stronger argument exists for the arm in natural position test.

Wonder how this handball would go in the 'natural position' test you refer to. Arm literally beside his body. 

The LOTG state that "the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence", so I don't understand the whole "natural position" 

Well, natural position us a test, but not the only one, hence the instruction that it's not the only thing to be considered. 

Look, the thing is, the player's arms have to be somewhere. So when the ball strikes the player's arm, you have to consider - is it to be expected for the arm to be in that position given the physical action the player is taking? And the thing is, with both Singh and Durante, their arms were outside of their body making contact with the ball, when the movement they were making did not entail that their arms needed to be in that position. The incident last night, the situation is a lot murkier, because the arm is in front of the chest and face, and can be seen as a natural defensive movement. 

The way VAR arrived at that decision was farcical, but that's a VAR issue.