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Posted September 24, 2021 05:57 · last edited September 24, 2021 07:44

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with Auckland only have 9 new cases today I'd be expecting level 2 announcement by Oct 4 and hopefully level 1 within a week or so afterwards.  Whole country could be level 1 by 18 October. Bubble back up and running by November for vaxed Aussies?

Getting Vaxed is great and all, but from a bubble with Aussie perspective I don't see how it helps much. If I understand correctly (and correct me if I'm wrong) Delta is still very contagious even for vaccinated people, what the vaccine mostly does is make it's effects MUCH less likely to be severe/fatal when you do get it, rather than meaning you aren't going to catch it.

So if we have very low case numbers, letting in Australians with higher case numbers (assuming that stays the same) isn't a good idea, even if the people coming are vaccinated.

Basically you are wrong. Go and do some reading on effectiveness of the vaccines in stopping transmission.  

And if Aussie gets 90% if it’s age 12 plus popn double vaccinated, in conjunction with mask wearing and other continuing restrictions etc they stand a reasonable chance of reducing the current case numbers. Even once lockdowns end. That optimistic view improves further if vaccinations for kids younger than 12 become available 

Any reading you would recommend? I have done a little, but as a non scientist, it's not always easy to know where to find data or how to interpret it. I have read several articles on mainstream media websites (which I'm sure aren't the best place to get info) saying that the viral load is still very high and just as transmissible in vaccinated people. For example: this one on Forbes.

Just so we are clear, I am very pro vaccine (had my 2nd jab today actually!), but my understanding is that its main protection is in limiting the severity of the virus if you get infected, but doesn't necessarily make a big difference in terms of catching it or spreading it to others.


Replied in Covid thread. And Nix will definitely host home games in NZ season 2021/22 - with regular season I presume now not finishing until June 2022 

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siac
coochiee
siac
theprof
with Auckland only have 9 new cases today I'd be expecting level 2 announcement by Oct 4 and hopefully level 1 within a week or so afterwards.  Whole country could be level 1 by 18 October. Bubble back up and running by November for vaxed Aussies?

Getting Vaxed is great and all, but from a bubble with Aussie perspective I don't see how it helps much. If I understand correctly (and correct me if I'm wrong) Delta is still very contagious even for vaccinated people, what the vaccine mostly does is make it's effects MUCH less likely to be severe/fatal when you do get it, rather than meaning you aren't going to catch it.

So if we have very low case numbers, letting in Australians with higher case numbers (assuming that stays the same) isn't a good idea, even if the people coming are vaccinated.

Basically you are wrong. Go and do some reading on effectiveness of the vaccines in stopping transmission.  

And if Aussie gets 90% if it’s age 12 plus popn double vaccinated, in conjunction with mask wearing and other continuing restrictions etc they stand a reasonable chance of reducing the current case numbers. Even once lockdowns end. That optimistic view improves further if vaccinations for kids younger than 12 become available 

Any reading you would recommend? I have done a little, but as a non scientist, it's not always easy to know where to find data or how to interpret it. I have read several articles on mainstream media websites (which I'm sure aren't the best place to get info) saying that the viral load is still very high and just as transmissible in vaccinated people. For example: this one on Forbes.

Just so we are clear, I am very pro vaccine (had my 2nd jab today actually!), but my understanding is that its main protection is in limiting the severity of the virus if you get infected, but doesn't necessarily make a big difference in terms of catching it or spreading it to others.


Replied in Covid thread. And Nix will definitely host home games in NZ season 2021/22 - with regular season I presuming now not finishing until June 2022 
Unknown editor edited September 24, 2021 06:00
siac
coochiee
siac
theprof
with Auckland only have 9 new cases today I'd be expecting level 2 announcement by Oct 4 and hopefully level 1 within a week or so afterwards.  Whole country could be level 1 by 18 October. Bubble back up and running by November for vaxed Aussies?

Getting Vaxed is great and all, but from a bubble with Aussie perspective I don't see how it helps much. If I understand correctly (and correct me if I'm wrong) Delta is still very contagious even for vaccinated people, what the vaccine mostly does is make it's effects MUCH less likely to be severe/fatal when you do get it, rather than meaning you aren't going to catch it.

So if we have very low case numbers, letting in Australians with higher case numbers (assuming that stays the same) isn't a good idea, even if the people coming are vaccinated.

Basically you are wrong. Go and do some reading on effectiveness of the vaccines in stopping transmission.  

And if Aussie gets 90% if it’s age 12 plus popn double vaccinated, in conjunction with mask wearing and other continuing restrictions etc they stand a reasonable chance of reducing the current case numbers. Even once lockdowns end. That optimistic view improves further if vaccinations for kids younger than 12 become available 

Any reading you would recommend? I have done a little, but as a non scientist, it's not always easy to know where to find data or how to interpret it. I have read several articles on mainstream media websites (which I'm sure aren't the best place to get info) saying that the viral load is still very high and just as transmissible in vaccinated people. For example: this one on Forbes.

Just so we are clear, I am very pro vaccine (had my 2nd jab today actually!), but my understanding is that its main protection is in limiting the severity of the virus if you get infected, but doesn't necessarily make a big difference in terms of catching it or spreading it to others.


Replied in Covid thread.