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Dead Ant wrote:

On reflection, and i bet there is a lot of that going on, Wilkinson should not have been on the tour. She looked well out of order when she came on briefly, even hesitant to shoot in the box when had the opportunity. She may be right for Tokyo. Several are indicating on insta that they are now looking ahead to #tokyo2020...rather entitled perhaps? ..i dont think the team for that has been named yet...apart from Tom,

He needs to take a glass boot on a tour of the country to find a star striker ..a Kerr, Marta or Maartens. We need a rockstar.

But she sings a nice song and plays guitar good for bonding around camp fire...to be honest singer than footballer.

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yes agree wilkinson was not fit for world cup football, can only think her inclusion was because she is a part of this tight knit self selected group.  For me the big question would be Kete, Why would you select someone who hasn't come off the bench since 2012 for NZ, does not even play local football, is 31yrs old and unlikely to offer any thing further to NZ football on the playing front.  This is a spot that should have been used for the upcoming players, who while may not get much game time but would gain a wealth of experience from being in the world cup environment and this would built to the future of stronger ferns teams.  From the news articles written at her time of selection it was clear she is in the old girls club. Her quote to the local paper on her selection..

"I saw him outside the locker room, said hi, and he was like 'Are you still playing? You should be playing,' so we had that chat, and then he got this job and I reached out and said congratulations, hoping he would give me an invite. 

There is some quality players in this team but the culture is there biggest issue,(no amount of instagram, tweets and facebook posts can cover this up) and while that is still there I think the younger players have dodge a bullet!  

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So I've bit my toungue until now... I don't understand how Hannah Wilkinson is in the squad?
How can you pick someone who has not played a full game?
I feel sorry for Emma Rolston - she would have been my pick. And if not Emma, one of the other up and comers.
For me it looks like too much power has been given to the senior players to influence and pick the squad.

If she is that important off the field name her as a welfare manager or whatever...



I've read through a lot of the comments on here - and totally agree with the majority. There is too much player power/involvement in making the decisions about who is in the team and there is no succession planning / blooding of youngies. Worse still - its not, let's hold on to these oldies who can get the job done. It is let's bring back these oldies (who haven't even been playing) because we all get along and we will have a tight group so we will do well right ... you are professional players aren't you? Stop acting like youngsters ... and NZF grow some balls and give the coach the mandate/backing he needs. You have given ALL the power to players.

While we are here, can I raise the elephant in the room ... related to the above. Is any coach ever going to bench Sarah Gregorious? I would be interested to know what her hit rate is (goals per match) against non oceania teams - anyone? To me it appears that she leads the 'player-power' and their control over the coach etc so no coach seems to want to upset her. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a fantastic advocate for the sport, but it is time that she step away from the international game in terms of playing and we start blooding more of the up and coming players; particularly strikers.

On another note, I was really impressed with Olivia Chance and I look forward to seeing her continue to grow and develop.
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I've read through a lot of the comments on here - and totally agree with the majority. There is too much player power/involvement in making the decisions about who is in the team and there is no succession planning / blooding of youngies. Worse still - its not, let's hold on to these oldies who can get the job done. It is let's bring back these oldies (who haven't even been playing) because we all get along and we will have a tight group so we will do well right ... you are professional players aren't you? Stop acting like youngsters ... and NZF grow some balls and give the coach the mandate/backing he needs. You have given ALL the power to players.

While we are here, can I raise the elephant in the room ... related to the above. Is any coach ever going to bench Sarah Gregorious? I would be interested to know what her hit rate is (goals per match) against non oceania teams - anyone? To me it appears that she leads the 'player-power' and their control over the coach etc so no coach seems to want to upset her. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a fantastic advocate for the sport, but it is time that she step away from the international game in terms of playing and we start blooding more of the up and coming players; particularly strikers.

On another note, I was really impressed with Olivia Chance and I look forward to seeing her continue to grow and develop.

Approximately 82 games(incl 18 off the bench) for 13 goals against non OFC competition 

Total of 94 games 34 goals 

Just a quick scan so might be out by 1 or 2

Credit ScouseKiwi

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ClubOranje wrote:

I've read through a lot of the comments on here - and totally agree with the majority. There is too much player power/involvement in making the decisions about who is in the team and there is no succession planning / blooding of youngies. Worse still - its not, let's hold on to these oldies who can get the job done. It is let's bring back these oldies (who haven't even been playing) because we all get along and we will have a tight group so we will do well right ... you are professional players aren't you? Stop acting like youngsters ... and NZF grow some balls and give the coach the mandate/backing he needs. You have given ALL the power to players.

While we are here, can I raise the elephant in the room ... related to the above. Is any coach ever going to bench Sarah Gregorious? I would be interested to know what her hit rate is (goals per match) against non oceania teams - anyone? To me it appears that she leads the 'player-power' and their control over the coach etc so no coach seems to want to upset her. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a fantastic advocate for the sport, but it is time that she step away from the international game in terms of playing and we start blooding more of the up and coming players; particularly strikers.

On another note, I was really impressed with Olivia Chance and I look forward to seeing her continue to grow and develop.

Approximately 82 games(incl 18 off the bench) for 13 goals against non OFC competition 

Total of 94 games 34 goals 

Just a quick scan so might be out by 1 or 2

Credit ScouseKiwi



Cheers ... I think that says it all does it not?
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Not an outstanding rate, but I'd be interested in seeing how it lines up with her peers.

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ClubOranje wrote:

I've read through a lot of the comments on here - and totally agree with the majority. There is too much player power/involvement in making the decisions about who is in the team and there is no succession planning / blooding of youngies. Worse still - its not, let's hold on to these oldies who can get the job done. It is let's bring back these oldies (who haven't even been playing) because we all get along and we will have a tight group so we will do well right ... you are professional players aren't you? Stop acting like youngsters ... and NZF grow some balls and give the coach the mandate/backing he needs. You have given ALL the power to players.

While we are here, can I raise the elephant in the room ... related to the above. Is any coach ever going to bench Sarah Gregorious? I would be interested to know what her hit rate is (goals per match) against non oceania teams - anyone? To me it appears that she leads the 'player-power' and their control over the coach etc so no coach seems to want to upset her. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a fantastic advocate for the sport, but it is time that she step away from the international game in terms of playing and we start blooding more of the up and coming players; particularly strikers.

On another note, I was really impressed with Olivia Chance and I look forward to seeing her continue to grow and develop.

Approximately 82 games(incl 18 off the bench) for 13 goals against non OFC competition 

Total of 94 games 34 goals 

Just a quick scan so might be out by 1 or 2

Credit ScouseKiwi



Cheers ... I think that says it all does it not?

I think you need to take those stats in context. While it would be nice to have another Amber Hearn (our leading goal scorer), you need to compare Gregorius to Wilkinson and White who are still current Ferns, who have played about the same number of games.

Gregorius has had 34 goals of which 13 are against non OFC. (34 goals from 97 games total)

Wilkinson has had 25 goals of which 16 are against non OFC. (25 goals from 89 games total)

White has had 24 goals of which 6 are against non OFC. (24 goals from 104 games total)

So Hearn hasn't played since the Japan game in 2018 and we haven't found a replacement for her. With Wilkinson our next best against non OFC not being match fit for the recent WWC, we really didn't seem to have another plan apart from Gregorius. 

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So I've bit my toungue until now... I don't understand how Hannah Wilkinson is in the squad?
How can you pick someone who has not played a full game?
I feel sorry for Emma Rolston - she would have been my pick. And if not Emma, one of the other up and comers.
For me it looks like too much power has been given to the senior players to influence and pick the squad.

If she is that important off the field name her as a welfare manager or whatever...



I've read through a lot of the comments on here - and totally agree with the majority. There is too much player power/involvement in making the decisions about who is in the team and there is no succession planning / blooding of youngies. Worse still - its not, let's hold on to these oldies who can get the job done. It is let's bring back these oldies (who haven't even been playing) because we all get along and we will have a tight group so we will do well right ... you are professional players aren't you? Stop acting like youngsters ... and NZF grow some balls and give the coach the mandate/backing he needs. You have given ALL the power to players.

While we are here, can I raise the elephant in the room ... related to the above. Is any coach ever going to bench Sarah Gregorious? I would be interested to know what her hit rate is (goals per match) against non oceania teams - anyone? To me it appears that she leads the 'player-power' and their control over the coach etc so no coach seems to want to upset her. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a fantastic advocate for the sport, but it is time that she step away from the international game in terms of playing and we start blooding more of the up and coming players; particularly strikers.

On another note, I was really impressed with Olivia Chance and I look forward to seeing her continue to grow and develop.

I always find this sort of approach a bit strange, whats it based on exactly?

This whole "given all the power to the players" angle is really weird. Quite baffling

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AlfStamp wrote:

So I've bit my toungue until now... I don't understand how Hannah Wilkinson is in the squad?
How can you pick someone who has not played a full game?
I feel sorry for Emma Rolston - she would have been my pick. And if not Emma, one of the other up and comers.
For me it looks like too much power has been given to the senior players to influence and pick the squad.

If she is that important off the field name her as a welfare manager or whatever...



I've read through a lot of the comments on here - and totally agree with the majority. There is too much player power/involvement in making the decisions about who is in the team and there is no succession planning / blooding of youngies. Worse still - its not, let's hold on to these oldies who can get the job done. It is let's bring back these oldies (who haven't even been playing) because we all get along and we will have a tight group so we will do well right ... you are professional players aren't you? Stop acting like youngsters ... and NZF grow some balls and give the coach the mandate/backing he needs. You have given ALL the power to players.

While we are here, can I raise the elephant in the room ... related to the above. Is any coach ever going to bench Sarah Gregorious? I would be interested to know what her hit rate is (goals per match) against non oceania teams - anyone? To me it appears that she leads the 'player-power' and their control over the coach etc so no coach seems to want to upset her. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a fantastic advocate for the sport, but it is time that she step away from the international game in terms of playing and we start blooding more of the up and coming players; particularly strikers.

On another note, I was really impressed with Olivia Chance and I look forward to seeing her continue to grow and develop.

I always find this sort of approach a bit strange, whats it based on exactly?

This whole "given all the power to the players" angle is really weird. Quite baffling

Seems to be a bit of a conspiracy theory re the Heraf debacle. Apparently rejecting an incompetnet coach instead of accepting what he's saying is an indication that the players have too much influence.
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I don't have any real insight into this, but recall that when the independent review into Heraf's appointment/sacking was completed, it noted that only about half of the Ferns participated in it, and others chose not to (and again, this is my recollection, I haven't bothered looking it up again). 

I remember that raising a few eyebrows at the time, and there were suggestions floating around that not all Ferns thought that Heraf was the worst human being ever.

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AlfStamp wrote:

So I've bit my toungue until now... I don't understand how Hannah Wilkinson is in the squad?
How can you pick someone who has not played a full game?
I feel sorry for Emma Rolston - she would have been my pick. And if not Emma, one of the other up and comers.
For me it looks like too much power has been given to the senior players to influence and pick the squad.

If she is that important off the field name her as a welfare manager or whatever...



I've read through a lot of the comments on here - and totally agree with the majority. There is too much player power/involvement in making the decisions about who is in the team and there is no succession planning / blooding of youngies. Worse still - its not, let's hold on to these oldies who can get the job done. It is let's bring back these oldies (who haven't even been playing) because we all get along and we will have a tight group so we will do well right ... you are professional players aren't you? Stop acting like youngsters ... and NZF grow some balls and give the coach the mandate/backing he needs. You have given ALL the power to players.

While we are here, can I raise the elephant in the room ... related to the above. Is any coach ever going to bench Sarah Gregorious? I would be interested to know what her hit rate is (goals per match) against non oceania teams - anyone? To me it appears that she leads the 'player-power' and their control over the coach etc so no coach seems to want to upset her. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a fantastic advocate for the sport, but it is time that she step away from the international game in terms of playing and we start blooding more of the up and coming players; particularly strikers.

On another note, I was really impressed with Olivia Chance and I look forward to seeing her continue to grow and develop.

I always find this sort of approach a bit strange, whats it based on exactly?

This whole "given all the power to the players" angle is really weird. Quite baffling

Sarah Gregoriou is now 31 so she wont be around for the next world cup. She is one of the leaders in the group and a bit of a spokeswomen, I thought she came across really well as a TV pundit at half time for some of the Nix home games. Her knowledge of the game and tactics was pretty good. I don't quite get the player power thing either. Sermmani has been around long enough not to buy into that sort of thing.

I think for this world cup it was a case of Sermanni getting the role late and deciding to pick experience over youth due to limited prep time he had. He has a year now before the olympics, so I hope we now see a bit more focus on youth in this team. 

White and Wilkinson are still 26 and 27 yrs old. They still need to be part of the FF's at the moment. But they need to get themselves back in pro environments playing football weekly. Not on teams where they will be bench warmers.

The rest of the world and particularly Europe are now taking the womens game more seriously and we are at a big risk of being left behind. NZF are trying to do the right thing with the FFDP and helping girls into pro contracts or US university programs. Not easy to do from here but exposure at international level and Fifa age group tournaments helps.

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el grapadura wrote:

I don't have any real insight into this, but recall that when the independent review into Heraf's appointment/sacking was completed, it noted that only about half of the Ferns participated in it, and others chose not to (and again, this is my recollection, I haven't bothered looking it up again). 

I remember that raising a few eyebrows at the time, and there were suggestions floating around that not all Ferns thought that Heraf was the worst human being ever.

Heraf was unpopular most of the football people who interacted with him, in my experience. Most of the women didn't like him and for me that's enough. There's always going to be some in a team that don't speak up because they aren't comfortable doing so (and moreso in women's football). But complaints about a coach's approach and conduct don't have to be universal for them to be worth listening to and enough players were uncomfortable with him that they did speak up, in an unprecedented manner.

Even if it is the worst case scenario, a player power/culture issue that requires addressing, if its a trade-off between Erceg and Heraf, Erceg wins every time. One of the world's best defenders vs a coach that couldn't tailor his approach to the women's game, or the NZ psyche. No brainer.

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Heraf was obviously a fudgewit and had to go. As bad as this tournament was, it still light miles ahead of that performance against Japan under Heraf. To blame a bad tournament on "player power" based on distant observations is clearly short sighted. Also shorted sighted is clear out/build for the future approach, firstly because we don't have depth to arbitrarily discard players, secondly we have the Olympics next year and thirdly it has been proven time and again across many sports that the best way to bring young players through is to blend them in with experienced players around them. If there is an attitude issue within the team then that will only really be known by those very close to the team, the rest is just speculation.

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Yeovil wrote:

Heraf was obviously a fudgewit and had to go. As bad as this tournament was, it still light miles ahead of that performance against Japan under Heraf. To blame a bad tournament on "player power" based on distant observations is clearly short sighted. Also shorted sighted is clear out/build for the future approach, firstly because we don't have depth to arbitrarily discard players, secondly we have the Olympics next year and thirdly it has been proven time and again across many sports that the best way to bring young players through is to blend them in with experienced players around them. If there is an attitude issue within the team then that will only really be known by those very close to the team, the rest is just speculation.

I think from what I know is that there is a gap between the young ones coming through and the experienced players. The gap being that the young ones are possibly not quite ready yet and in between those U20 players and the FF there are very few players for a FF coach to choose from. Hannah Blake for example is an obvious candidate but possibly just needs a season or 2 more at U20 level to be properly ready. There are a few others, Malia Steinmetz, Grace Jale, Nicole Mettam who are all just 18 and 19. Add in Paige Satchel, Jacqui Hand and others and you will see there is an age/experience factor in there that might make a coach at this point anyway go for the experienced players. It seems to me like this campaigns failure is a combination of a perfect storm of a few different factors. We still have a looming problem of the traditionally male strong nations now picking up pace with their female teams meaning its going to be harder for us to be a top 20 team and there will need to be some clever work done to keep up pace with the womens world scene.  I really cant imagine an attitude problem with our FF's, they have worked their arses off for a number of years and have very clearly given their heart and soul to the National team. no shortage of effort or work ethic there.

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Nelfoos wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

I don't have any real insight into this, but recall that when the independent review into Heraf's appointment/sacking was completed, it noted that only about half of the Ferns participated in it, and others chose not to (and again, this is my recollection, I haven't bothered looking it up again). 

I remember that raising a few eyebrows at the time, and there were suggestions floating around that not all Ferns thought that Heraf was the worst human being ever.

Heraf was unpopular most of the football people who interacted with him, in my experience. Most of the women didn't like him and for me that's enough. There's always going to be some in a team that don't speak up because they aren't comfortable doing so (and moreso in women's football). But complaints about a coach's approach and conduct don't have to be universal for them to be worth listening to and enough players were uncomfortable with him that they did speak up, in an unprecedented manner.

Even if it is the worst case scenario, a player power/culture issue that requires addressing, if its a trade-off between Erceg and Heraf, Erceg wins every time. One of the world's best defenders vs a coach that couldn't tailor his approach to the women's game, or the NZ psyche. No brainer.

Erceg rated so highly...... I honestly wasn’t impressed. I saw her make too many basic errors to be given the title of one of the world’s best defenders
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Nelfoos wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

I don't have any real insight into this, but recall that when the independent review into Heraf's appointment/sacking was completed, it noted that only about half of the Ferns participated in it, and others chose not to (and again, this is my recollection, I haven't bothered looking it up again). 

I remember that raising a few eyebrows at the time, and there were suggestions floating around that not all Ferns thought that Heraf was the worst human being ever.

Heraf was unpopular most of the football people who interacted with him, in my experience. Most of the women didn't like him and for me that's enough. There's always going to be some in a team that don't speak up because they aren't comfortable doing so (and moreso in women's football). But complaints about a coach's approach and conduct don't have to be universal for them to be worth listening to and enough players were uncomfortable with him that they did speak up, in an unprecedented manner.

Even if it is the worst case scenario, a player power/culture issue that requires addressing, if its a trade-off between Erceg and Heraf, Erceg wins every time. One of the world's best defenders vs a coach that couldn't tailor his approach to the women's game, or the NZ psyche. No brainer.

Erceg rated so highly...... I honestly wasn’t impressed. I saw her make too many basic errors to be given the title of one of the world’s best defenders

Ok, well you'll be wanting to tell (one of) the best league(s) in the world to take the Defender of the Year title off her.
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She was pretty poor in the tournament. 

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Thought Erceg, Stott and Naylor were our best performers at WWC.

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Haha - all I said was that we need to start blooding some new blood (the ones coming through)
Grego isn't getting any younger (or better at scoring), so at what point do we draw a line and start trying to develop the next player?
And I also said that Wilkinson shouldn't have been brought back in after not playing and also Emma Kete.
I NEVER said Heraf should have stayed - Sermani seems to be a good pick. People make connections rather quickly when a nerve is struck.

It just feels as though the balance of power has tipped heavily in the favour of the players... guess time will tell

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Nelfoos wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

I don't have any real insight into this, but recall that when the independent review into Heraf's appointment/sacking was completed, it noted that only about half of the Ferns participated in it, and others chose not to (and again, this is my recollection, I haven't bothered looking it up again). 

I remember that raising a few eyebrows at the time, and there were suggestions floating around that not all Ferns thought that Heraf was the worst human being ever.

Heraf was unpopular most of the football people who interacted with him, in my experience. Most of the women didn't like him and for me that's enough. There's always going to be some in a team that don't speak up because they aren't comfortable doing so (and moreso in women's football). But complaints about a coach's approach and conduct don't have to be universal for them to be worth listening to and enough players were uncomfortable with him that they did speak up, in an unprecedented manner.

Even if it is the worst case scenario, a player power/culture issue that requires addressing, if its a trade-off between Erceg and Heraf, Erceg wins every time. One of the world's best defenders vs a coach that couldn't tailor his approach to the women's game, or the NZ psyche. No brainer.

Erceg rated so highly...... I honestly wasn’t impressed. I saw her make too many basic errors to be given the title of one of the world’s best defenders

Ok, well you'll be wanting to tell (one of) the best league(s) in the world to take the Defender of the Year title off her.

I’m only going on what I saw. If she had a bad tournament then sobeit, but she didn’t impress me. I thought I saw a couple of times where she was caught out and scored against. I wasn’t especially watching her, it was just an impression. 
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Looking back at some old intel, of the group that didn’t complain about Heraf, Muir only spoke to one player. She spoke to all 12 players who complained. Muir was then quoted as saying that unfortunately factions may have developed, between those who have complained and those that did not. Don’t forget there were 15 other squad members who didn’t for whatever reason, side with the 12 complainants. 

You would think as a generalisation the older players may have been the one's to criticise Heraf, the younger ones feeling it wasn't their place to do so. But he really knows for sure.

When the FFs got together for the first camp post Heraf, NZF bought in a mental skills coach for a few sessions. I think Riley commented on at the time, that there needed to be a few internal 'clearing the air' sessions post the Austrian. 

But since then the team have played over a dozen games, had a lot of time together, and in Sermanni they have a very experienced coach, in the women's game. So hopefully any rifts have been mostly smoothed over.

Timing when to drop older long standing players, and replacing them with younger is a challenge for a coach in any sport. Often a lauded skill of the great coaches, making the tough unpopular decisions. Sermanni's been around, and again he'll know he needs to start that process. The last 2 games at the world cup were disappointing, so that gives him some sort of mandate to start tinkering.

Still there is always some value in having an old head in a squad who may not actually get much playing time, and is more there as an off field mentor/mood uplifter. Rory was basically doing that for the AWs in his later years. Just that you can only justify having 1-2 of those players in a 23 person squad, not 5-6.

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Erceg got turned badly for Cameroon's first goal: that's indisputable. Generally she's he's a solid stopper-style of centre half, but I don't think she'll look back fondly on this tournament (who would!). Stott & Nayler were excellent though; they gave everything.

A major question mark for me was the performance (or lack of) from Annalie Longo. A player with over 100 caps yet who was seemingly unable or unwilling to find a quality club. Turning up at a World Cup unattached is pretty poor IMO and certainly gives ammunition to those who consider some senior players " entitled ": White & Kete are in the same boat. I've always been bemused by the infatuation with White: It's like the NZ selectors fell in love with her at 15 and have never snapped out of it. She flatters to deceive: a flick here, a nice touch there and that's it. Her international goal scoring record is worse than Gregorius' too. IMO Kete's selection was an insult to all local forwards and at the age of 31, utterly pointless.Wilkinson should never have been picked: she clearly wasn't fit and for me, that's that...

I think New Zealand are about to enter a fallow period, as some of the older crew definitely need to go and the replacements will take a while to either " sink or swim "at international level. If I'm being truthful I think it could be a difficult few years for the Ferns. Dare I say it, but gradual decline looms.

Interesting times...

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Nelfoos wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

I don't have any real insight into this, but recall that when the independent review into Heraf's appointment/sacking was completed, it noted that only about half of the Ferns participated in it, and others chose not to (and again, this is my recollection, I haven't bothered looking it up again). 

I remember that raising a few eyebrows at the time, and there were suggestions floating around that not all Ferns thought that Heraf was the worst human being ever.

Heraf was unpopular most of the football people who interacted with him, in my experience. Most of the women didn't like him and for me that's enough. There's always going to be some in a team that don't speak up because they aren't comfortable doing so (and moreso in women's football). But complaints about a coach's approach and conduct don't have to be universal for them to be worth listening to and enough players were uncomfortable with him that they did speak up, in an unprecedented manner.

Even if it is the worst case scenario, a player power/culture issue that requires addressing, if its a trade-off between Erceg and Heraf, Erceg wins every time. One of the world's best defenders vs a coach that couldn't tailor his approach to the women's game, or the NZ psyche. No brainer.

Erceg rated so highly...... I honestly wasn’t impressed. I saw her make too many basic errors to be given the title of one of the world’s best defenders

Ok, well you'll be wanting to tell (one of) the best league(s) in the world to take the Defender of the Year title off her.

I’m only going on what I saw. If she had a bad tournament then sobeit, but she didn’t impress me. I thought I saw a couple of times where she was caught out and scored against. I wasn’t especially watching her, it was just an impression. 

Yeah you're right - she had a poor tournament, as did the Ferns generally. She is a far better player than she showed though.
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I think one problem is expectations of how good the team is.

I didnt think we could get out of that group before the WC as I thought it was one of the toughest groups. However many thought we could get out of the group and should have and I do wonder if thats because there has been an expectation about the team built up over the last decade. The blog quoted earlier in this thread certainly gave the impression we under performed relative to a perception of ability that I think is misguided or inaccurate. We simply arent as good as we like to think we are relative to breaking into the top 10. However we are good enough to pull off the odd result against top 10 teams but not good enough to do it consistently.

I think the key thing is to keep pushing the upskilling and quality of our coaches, keep pushing that harder. The single most important thing in football is player ability. Putting a skoda engine in a Ferrari wont make the engine go faster and in football the engine is and has always been player ability/quality.

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I thought the Phoenix owners were willing to pay for the costs of entering the NZF NWL?

In that case what the hell are NZF thinking, couldn't they just be like 'sweet as bro saved you a space in the wharekai just need a koha higher than X amount so we can get the hangi prepped'. Mind ya these days I'm suprised that there's even dialogue from NZF, would be great if they just pulled finger and found a way forward rather than hold back the game or am I missing something?

Surely more teams able to compete at the highest level is better for the game.

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Sounds like NZF's and the 7 regional federation's fear, is that all the best female young players nationwide, will just head to the Nix, and form a 'super' team - so making the NWL a bit of a lopsided comp. ie the regional fed teams won't be happy if all their best young players are cherry picked off.

Remember this is a comp that is quite different to the Handy Prem, in that most of the teams are very young. You don't have a strong mix of overseas pros, established NZ domestic Handy Prem journeyman and young exciting talent. Pretty much all the players in the NWL are young. 

The best group of young players in the country, are effectively the best players in the country (with the odd exception like Sarah Gregorius or Annalie Longo). So if you group the best of them at the Nix, then yes you likely form an all dominant NWL side.

Then you also have to figure out how FFDP continues to fit in with the pathway.

However the big picture here is, what is the best for NZ Women's football long term. That's the establishment of a Phoenix funded W League team.

It will happen, but a few heads will butt in the process.

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Fudgeing federations.

Might need to go into an NZF thread but I think the federations need to be gone and let a centralised body administer everything much like what they done at NZ Cricket so that rather than federations with competing interests everyone works for the best of the game. Sure NZF have stuffed up many times but atleast everyone knows where the smoke is coming from. You can still keep the teams but free up the politics and administrators to just one federation to be in control, our country and game is far too small and thinly resourced to be wasting resources and time like this.

From: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2019/07/13/new-zealands-little-big-guys-impressive-team-world/

 Ever since, New Zealand have no challenger as, pound-for-pound, the most impressive international cricket team in the world. They are unique in reaching the last four of the previous four World Cups, even while maintaining a strong Test side.

To understand why, the simplest explanation is “Cricket in New Zealand is really well run”, says Heath Mills, chief executive of the New Zealand Cricket Players Association. From 1995, a new governance structure was created – effectively, the existing provincial directors, who represented the six provinces, voted themselves out of existence, replaced by appointments on merit. The nub is that the board is independent.

It is a salient contrast with, say, the West Indies, in which there is still no independent board structure. Having independent governance means that administrators are not divided between regional and national loyalties. “The independent governance has been critical to us,” Mills reflects. “I’ve seen other instances where the decision-making of the national body is compromised because of political pressures.”

Opinion Privileges revoked
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The best year I've ever spent in football is when Katie was my coach as OneSports' reserve keeper. I learned more about keeping that year than ever. And Katie made me feel welcome and useful even though I was a 40-something with no special talents playing in a squad with ex-Ferns and 18 year old wondergirls.

That said, I always giggle about how she gets huge press coverage for everything she does because her missus is a PR professional. :D

Starting XI
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Ferns confirmed to play in Invitational tournament in China in November

1st game against China then either Brazil or Canada

Great news, although would be even better if they were to play a game in NZ!

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Fantastic for player development.  I'm sure Tom has spent the winter scouring the country for the next crop, and what better event to get some of our up and comers on the field.   The NWL has already shown up some crackers - Chloe Knott, Nicola Dominikovich to name just a couple. Plus those from the U20s - Kelly Brown, Gabi Rennie & co.  Let's get them out there in the white jersey - perfect opportunity!

Be brave, Tom.

Getting paid to be here
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Ferns confirmed to play in Invitational tournament in China in November

1st game against China then either Brazil or Canada

Great news, although would be even better if they were to play a game in NZ!

If only China would pay for that... :(

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Dead Ant wrote:

Fantastic for player development.  I'm sure Tom has spent the winter scouring the country for the next crop, and what better event to get some of our up and comers on the field.   The NWL has already shown up some crackers - Chloe Knott, Nicola Dominikovich to name just a couple. Plus those from the U20s - Kelly Brown, Gabi Rennie & co.  Let's get them out there in the white jersey - perfect opportunity!

Be brave, Tom.

Not sure he'll be so brave as to pick a Canadian national.

Trialist
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Dead Ant wrote:

Fantastic for player development.  I'm sure Tom has spent the winter scouring the country for the next crop, and what better event to get some of our up and comers on the field.   The NWL has already shown up some crackers - Chloe Knott, Nicola Dominikovich to name just a couple. Plus those from the U20s - Kelly Brown, Gabi Rennie & co.  Let's get them out there in the white jersey - perfect opportunity!

Be brave, Tom.

Not sure he'll be so brave as to pick a Canadian national.

I've heard she's eligible..

Getting paid to be here
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Dead Ant wrote:

Dead Ant wrote:

Fantastic for player development.  I'm sure Tom has spent the winter scouring the country for the next crop, and what better event to get some of our up and comers on the field.   The NWL has already shown up some crackers - Chloe Knott, Nicola Dominikovich to name just a couple. Plus those from the U20s - Kelly Brown, Gabi Rennie & co.  Let's get them out there in the white jersey - perfect opportunity!

Be brave, Tom.

Not sure he'll be so brave as to pick a Canadian national.

I've heard she's eligible..

Hmm. 

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Dead Ant wrote:

Dead Ant wrote:

Fantastic for player development.  I'm sure Tom has spent the winter scouring the country for the next crop, and what better event to get some of our up and comers on the field.   The NWL has already shown up some crackers - Chloe Knott, Nicola Dominikovich to name just a couple. Plus those from the U20s - Kelly Brown, Gabi Rennie & co.  Let's get them out there in the white jersey - perfect opportunity!

Be brave, Tom.

Not sure he'll be so brave as to pick a Canadian national.

I've heard she's eligible..

Hmm. 

Dad was born in NZ if that helps, top sprinter in his day.

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