He'd be an idiot to play for NZ over the US if he feels 50/50. Good on the kid, he's backed himself to do this and now it looks like he's got a real shot.
Tyler Boyd - USA (Nashville SC | USA)
he can fudge off
He always has been a arrogant, pretentious, materialistic, unloyal shark whom even as a teenager has always been looking after number 1
Actually rereading the above he is a perfect American.
Please don't visit our country again Tyler
People seem to forget that he got chucked in as a 17 year old by Ricki Herbert. A completely selfish move by a coach trying to save his job, Boyd was clearly not ready but showed enough to stay on. Rarely got a look in under Ernie and was frozen out.
Yet people seem to demand ultimate loyalty to the NZ cause.
Given playing for the NZ mens team seems an entirely hypothetical prospect, and he has clear links to the US, and the US has a much better national team programme that plays all the time, he has made an entirely natural decision!
Its not clear to me that NZF has the funds to pay more often.
They probably don't re AWs and this year the FFs (who in massive contrast will play at least 11 times in 2019), Mens U20's & Mens U23's are all taking precedence over AWs.
It's crazy really that Wood, Marinovic, Smith, Wynne, Tuiloma - and many of the other first choice players haven't now played for the national team in over 18 months. Even Wood after a longest club season, must be itching to play for NZ in a game or two again.
I see AFC still haven't formed a Nations League (UEFA, CAF & CONCACAF all have). The Global Nations League is a pet project of Infantino's and one of it's supposed goals is apparently more internationals for minnow nations like NZ. So sooner FIFA put pressure on AFC to create a Nations League (which hopefully the OFC nations would be added to) the better.
But still I'm not sure that even that, would have stopped Boyd trying his luck with the Yankees. Regular games against likes of Mexico & Costa Rica - plus the odd high profile friendly (USA played England & Italy in Nov last year) - compared to playing Malaysia, Singapore & India.
If he cracks the Team USA side and goes well, it can only help his profile & club career. All comes down now to whether he's good enough to do it.
I wonder if we had this duration of lack of games when Reid was making a decision, if he would have chose Denmark instead?
I wonder if we had this duration of lack of games when Reid was making a decision, if he would have chose Denmark instead?
Well, he literally decided to switch to NZ with the World Cup was right there and already qualified for.
I wonder if we had this duration of lack of games when Reid was making a decision, if he would have chose Denmark instead?
Well, he literally decided to switch to NZ with the World Cup was right there and already qualified for.
Denmark also qualified for South Africa 2010, but from memory Reid wasn't close to their senior team then.
They missed Brazil 2014.
Made Russia 2018 but Reid did his knee early 2018, so in theory wouldn't have been there with either NZ or Denmark.
FYI - Denmark didn't qualify for the Euros in either 2012 or 2016. I guess it's all regular high quality qualifiers over the years, that he's really missed out on.
But then there's no gtee he would even make the Danish starting side these days. In Russia they had Mathias Jørgensen (Huddersfield) & Simon Kjaer (Sevilla) as their CBs.
I wonder if we had this duration of lack of games when Reid was making a decision, if he would have chose Denmark instead?
Well, he literally decided to switch to NZ with the World Cup was right there and already qualified for.
True. Opted for the "here and now" on the face of it.
Although Denmark also qualified that year, and Reid had 10 U-21 caps for Denmark. Arguably he was an outside chance of selection for the first team in 2010 but maybe would have had to bide his time. If he had, potentially would have had a lot more internationals, higher profile matches and less travel for them.
Credit to him though, he wanted to represent NZ as country of his birth, and his tie to Denmark was through his step-father IIRC (and growing up there from around 10yr old) And he backed up his NZ allegiance with scholarships to Phoenix academy for rising kiwi stars - with Sarpreet being one if first recipients. So Kudos Winston.
He was signed to the premier league off the back of the worldcup. Was a good move for Reid.
We don't now care of course, but scores again as Ankaragucu beat Sivasspor 3-1.
Ankaragucu climb to 12th and are now safe from relegation, with one game to go to finish their season.
He was signed to the premier league off the back of the worldcup. Was a good move for Reid.
That's not quite what I've read elsewhere. Sure exposure did no harm to price, but had been scouted in Danish leagues extensively by English clubs.
He was signed to the premier league off the back of the worldcup. Was a good move for Reid.
That's not quite what I've read elsewhere. Sure exposure did no harm to price, but had been scouted in Danish leagues extensively by English clubs.
Being scouted is different from being signed. The press from West Ham at the time said they were talking to a player who "represented his country to distinction" at the world cup.
Boyd has been called up to the 40 man provisional squad for the Gold Cup. https://www.goldcup.org/en/article/provisional-40-player-rosters-announced-for-the-2019-concacaf-gold-cup
Looks like he waited for the phone call before declaring his allegiance. Chancer.
Looks like he waited for the phone call before declaring his allegiance. Chancer.
Well, he'd have been an idiot to make a one-time only decision for no reason.
Looks like his long game is working out. Good on him and best of luck. Shame we won't see him in all white again.
We don't now care of course, but scores again as Ankaragucu beat Sivasspor 3-1.
Ankaragucu climb to 12th and are now safe from relegation, with one game to go to finish their season.
Looks like he waited for the phone call before declaring his allegiance. Chancer.
Well, he'd have been an idiot to make a one-time only decision for no reason.
Time we removed him from Kiwi Players Overseas thread then. He came here when he was 10, learnt all his football here thanks mostly to Declan, now gives us the finger when La La land comes calling.
He was signed to the premier league off the back of the worldcup. Was a good move for Reid.
That's not quite what I've read elsewhere. Sure exposure did no harm to price, but had been scouted in Danish leagues extensively by English clubs.
Ricki was close to Avram grant who was the manager of West Ham, and was being lined up as an assistant. Pretty sure it did come from that link
Ben McKendry is on here still, yet he has made no attempts to join us and is still hanging out to play for Canada.
Whether he plays for USA or us, he's still a kiwi and worth following.
There are a whole host of players with threads in Kiwi Players Overseas who aren't going to play for NZ in the future. He's still a Kiwi playing football overseas, and I for one am keen to keep following his progress. Moving the thread seems pretty fudgeing petty to me.
There are a whole host of players with threads in Kiwi Players Overseas who aren't going to play for NZ in the future. He's still a Kiwi playing football overseas, and I for one am keen to keep following his progress. Moving the thread seems pretty fudgeing petty to me.
But let’s be honest, Boyd is a bit of a unique case of “what could have been”. Hope he does well wherever he goes, but any future tales of success will always be tinged with a bit of sadness he ain’t playing for the AWs. The pain will be real. A bit like seeing an ex partner again early on, esp if they don’t look suitably miserable/fat!
Any others like McKendry will only be journeymen at best. While with a Michael Fitzgerald there is still some hope he could be an AW again, albeit slim.
He's a kiwi player, playing overseas. The choice of national team doesn't change that. Thread stays here, and we don't need devolve into an argument about where the thread should sit because it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Boyd has been called up to the 40 man provisional squad for the Gold Cup. https://www.goldcup.org/en/article/provisional-40-player-rosters-announced-for-the-2019-concacaf-gold-cup
See here that Bonevacia has also been called up for Curacao. Best of luck to him
He's a kiwi player, playing overseas. The choice of national team doesn't change that. Thread stays here, and we don't need devolve into an argument about where the thread should sit because it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Which begs the question "What is the grand scheme of things?"
Boyd has been called up to the 40 man provisional squad for the Gold Cup. https://www.goldcup.org/en/article/provisional-40-player-rosters-announced-for-the-2019-concacaf-gold-cup
See here that Bonevacia has also been called up for Curacao. Best of luck to him
Curacao have a quadrangular tourney in Thailand, early June. Hosts, Vietnam & India are other participants.
Then drawn in pool with El Salvador, Honduras & Jamaica for Gold Cup, later in June.
I guess some minnow nations, get plenty of international action.
Australia are making do with a friendly against South Korea next month. They already played them earlier this year, and have probably played them on average once every two years since joining Asia. Yet we can’t play them in an age.
Sorry off topic.
Also with the new nations cup a lot of minnows have been getting plenty of games, the likes of Montserrat, St Kitts and Nevis, Aruba etc.. It's been great for people like me who love small countries and football!
Didn't Roly turn down a Curacao call up while he was with us?
We should keep this thread up as a constant reminder of how bigger failure NZF is as an organisation.
We should keep this thread up as a constant reminder of how bigger failure NZF is as an organisation.
This thread is a bigger reminder that we are forever minnows in international football and being in OFC we are stuck to the lowest common denominator with no competitions worth any TV rights or player exposure.
If only we went with CONMEBOL and got our arse handed to us then atleast NZF could make a plan to grow to their standard with all the TV money involved there it could've turned out alright especially for some players. But we continue to dream of making it to World Cups through Oceania once more.
I wonder if we made the world cup last year and he was asked to join us then if Tyler would've turned down the chance?
Boyd has been called up to the 40 man provisional squad for the Gold Cup. https://www.goldcup.org/en/article/provisional-40-player-rosters-announced-for-the-2019-concacaf-gold-cup
See here that Bonevacia has also been called up for Curacao. Best of luck to him
Curacao have a quadrangular tourney in Thailand, early June. Hosts, Vietnam & India are other participants.
Then drawn in pool with El Salvador, Honduras & Jamaica for Gold Cup, later in June.
I guess some minnow nations, get plenty of international action.
Australia are making do with a friendly against South Korea next month. They already played them earlier this year, and have probably played them on average once every two years since joining Asia. Yet we can’t play them in an age.
Sorry off topic.
How the fudge do Curacao, of all teams, get to play in a mini-tournament in Asia while the All Whites do nothing? That sort of shark should be bread and butter to NZF. Beyond belief. Sorry off topic but the lack of games for the national team really gets to me.
Curacao are actually fairly well resourced.. It's when the likes of FIJI, Vanuatu, Solomon Islands play more games than you do that you seriously need to take a hard look at yourself and ask where you're going wrong!
But Fiji and the Solomons do play more than us... we need to join Asia, guaranteed WC spot for Oceania in the future or not.
I really do hope that World League concept takes off!
Boyd has been called up to the 40 man provisional squad for the Gold Cup. https://www.goldcup.org/en/article/provisional-40-player-rosters-announced-for-the-2019-concacaf-gold-cup
See here that Bonevacia has also been called up for Curacao. Best of luck to him
Curacao have a quadrangular tourney in Thailand, early June. Hosts, Vietnam & India are other participants.
Then drawn in pool with El Salvador, Honduras & Jamaica for Gold Cup, later in June.
I guess some minnow nations, get plenty of international action.
Australia are making do with a friendly against South Korea next month. They already played them earlier this year, and have probably played them on average once every two years since joining Asia. Yet we can’t play them in an age.
Sorry off topic.
How the fudge do Curacao, of all teams, get to play in a mini-tournament in Asia while the All Whites do nothing? That sort of shark should be bread and butter to NZF. Beyond belief. Sorry off topic but the lack of games for the national team really gets to me.
Curacao, of all teams, aren't sending teams to the Fifa Women's World Cup, the Fifa Under-17 and Under-20 men's World Cups, the Panda Cup (to prepare for the Fifa U-17 World Cup, the OFC Under-16 and Under-19 Women's Championships, the OFC Olympic qualifying tournament, and the Pacific Games (to prepare for the Olympic qualifiers) this year, all of which are more important than the All Whites playing this June, a year out from their next competitive fixture.
It's important for Curacao to play this June, as they have the Gold Cup - by far their biggest tournament.
There are other factors - staff commitments in Poland and France, this window being the off-season window in Europe, MLS, the desire to try get some U-23s for the Pacific Games and Olympic qualifier.
Boyd has been called up to the 40 man provisional squad for the Gold Cup. https://www.goldcup.org/en/article/provisional-40-player-rosters-announced-for-the-2019-concacaf-gold-cup
See here that Bonevacia has also been called up for Curacao. Best of luck to him
Curacao have a quadrangular tourney in Thailand, early June. Hosts, Vietnam & India are other participants.
Then drawn in pool with El Salvador, Honduras & Jamaica for Gold Cup, later in June.
I guess some minnow nations, get plenty of international action.
Australia are making do with a friendly against South Korea next month. They already played them earlier this year, and have probably played them on average once every two years since joining Asia. Yet we can’t play them in an age.
Sorry off topic.
How the fudge do Curacao, of all teams, get to play in a mini-tournament in Asia while the All Whites do nothing? That sort of shark should be bread and butter to NZF. Beyond belief. Sorry off topic but the lack of games for the national team really gets to me.
Curacao, of all teams, aren't sending teams to the Fifa Women's World Cup, the Fifa Under-17 and Under-20 men's World Cups, the Panda Cup (to prepare for the Fifa U-17 World Cup, the OFC Under-16 and Under-19 Women's Championships, the OFC Olympic qualifying tournament, and the Pacific Games (to prepare for the Olympic qualifiers) this year, all of which are more important than the All Whites playing this June, a year out from their next competitive fixture.
It's important for Curacao to play this June, as they have the Gold Cup - by far their biggest tournament.
There are other factors - staff commitments in Poland and France, this window being the off-season window in Europe, MLS, the desire to try get some U-23s for the Pacific Games and Olympic qualifier.
You'd be justified in your response if this was just a one-off no games in the June window sort of thing - however this clearly isn't the case with NZF.
Boyd has been called up to the 40 man provisional squad for the Gold Cup. https://www.goldcup.org/en/article/provisional-40-player-rosters-announced-for-the-2019-concacaf-gold-cup
See here that Bonevacia has also been called up for Curacao. Best of luck to him
Curacao have a quadrangular tourney in Thailand, early June. Hosts, Vietnam & India are other participants.
Then drawn in pool with El Salvador, Honduras & Jamaica for Gold Cup, later in June.
I guess some minnow nations, get plenty of international action.
Australia are making do with a friendly against South Korea next month. They already played them earlier this year, and have probably played them on average once every two years since joining Asia. Yet we can’t play them in an age.
Sorry off topic.
How the fudge do Curacao, of all teams, get to play in a mini-tournament in Asia while the All Whites do nothing? That sort of shark should be bread and butter to NZF. Beyond belief. Sorry off topic but the lack of games for the national team really gets to me.
Curacao, of all teams, aren't sending teams to the Fifa Women's World Cup, the Fifa Under-17 and Under-20 men's World Cups, the Panda Cup (to prepare for the Fifa U-17 World Cup, the OFC Under-16 and Under-19 Women's Championships, the OFC Olympic qualifying tournament, and the Pacific Games (to prepare for the Olympic qualifiers) this year, all of which are more important than the All Whites playing this June, a year out from their next competitive fixture.
It's important for Curacao to play this June, as they have the Gold Cup - by far their biggest tournament.
There are other factors - staff commitments in Poland and France, this window being the off-season window in Europe, MLS, the desire to try get some U-23s for the Pacific Games and Olympic qualifier.
You'd be justified in your response if this was just a one-off no games in the June window sort of thing - however this clearly isn't the case with NZF.
Yes, because the value proposition is just as bad most of the time.
In September and October this year, for example, all of that is still relevant plus there's clashes between some of it and the two senior men's international windows.
It's only really once you get to March next year that it begins to become an issue, and even then, with the Confederations Cup gone, the importance of winning the OFC Nations Cup is less than it was previously.
Is there even going to be a 2020 Oceania Nations' Cup? Not much point to it without a Confeds Cup, and a huge cost for everyone involved.
Yipe understand that there only a limited amount of staff resources & money at NZF.
Perhaps the real debate should be where is that money better spent to grow the game, and esp the profile.
What is the real value of the expensive OFC underage tournaments. By that I mean player development. Limited according to Declan and others.
In the girls/women's space virtually nil, where the other OFC Nations are woefully weak.
Sure they lead to qualification for the various age group World Cups. But again what are the value of those? Have many NZ players starred at these enough to get pro gigs? Remember Tuiloma as one. Gleeson another.
Many of the big football countries don't take them seriously at all. They would just rather concentrate on their development domestically. The Ole boys are picking up overseas pro gigs before U20's has even kicked off. Do the underage WC's serve much value, apart from stroking egos of parent's kids (no offence to them) etc.
Maybe just scrap all those sides. Concentrate on top quality coaching whether it be through FFDP (womens/girls), Ole or whatever and just develop top quality Kiwi talent that way. With the rationale that if you are good enough, you'll make it anyway.
With money saved, try develop quality regular programmes for AWs & FFs. For example pay FFA some cash to lure the Socceroos to Auckland for a game this June verus an AWs side (sure minus MLS contingent & those injured). But could still feature Rojas, Wood, Marinovic, Singh, Barba, Lewis, Rufer etc. Mike Boxall, Tuiloma, Smith & Wynne may even scrounge a week off from the MLS. Recuperating Thomas & Reid to sign autographs for the kids.
It's a tricky, complex situation driven by a lack of funds and other stuff as AV pointed out. But the situation deserves some introspection, for what's best for NZ Football. It's just sharkhouse we never see the AWs play big games in NZ.
The AWs are still football's major shop window. Them and the Phoenix. Without the AWs playing some quality/high profile games in NZ, each 4 year WC cycle the game will NEVER achieve it's potential in NZ. The young kids are crying out to see their overseas based idols like Wood and co up close.
You have a guy scoring for fun in the highest profile league in the world the last 2 years, yet in that time he’s played 20 mins (off the bench against Peru) in NZ!! Worst football marketing campaign ever.
Again it's tricky for many reasons, but the current setup is hugely frustrating.
Of course if AWS did become part of an AFC Nations League, with regularish games hope & away against likes of Korea, Japan, China & Australia - all paid for by FIFA, via the huge money that's apparently on the table for a Global Nations League - then many problems are solved.
Is there even going to be a 2020 Oceania Nations' Cup? Not much point to it without a Confeds Cup, and a huge cost for everyone involved.
A regional championship has value even without a ticket to another tournament at the end.
Historically it has also determined progression and seeding to the next stage of WCQ.