Of the chains Burger Wisconsen is by far the best, unfortunately in Wellington at least they're all in the suburbs and not in the city, and also much more expensive than the fast food chains.
I think it is Winconsin, and paying $15 for a burger is something I would never do.
Came on here after one day off to see a serious subject appears to have been shut down
and detoured into burgers and chefs
That pisses me off
You saying burgers aren't important chief?
Now i'm pissed off.
If I can make it better then they do, it really ain't that important
Of the chains Burger Wisconsen is by far the best, unfortunately in Wellington at least they're all in the suburbs and not in the city, and also much more expensive than the fast food chains.
I think it is Winconsin, and paying $15 for a burger is something I would never do.
People who can't get the spelling right for the Badger State.
Spelling Nazis
Craving for a burger at 7:30am, when at work, in the deepest darkest depths of Lower Hutt's industrial 'burbs.
FTS.
People who can dish it but can't take it.
Also, feel like a burger but burger liquor doesn't open until lunch and it's too wet to go to Ekim which probably isn't open yet either.
Apparently the words of Steven Fry are not acceptable anymore, hopefully, just because there was an F-Bomb in there.
Leaving aside the specific issue discussed on here, what are peoples thoughts on this statement?
Came on here after one day off to see a serious subject appears to have been shut down
and detoured into burgers and chefs
That pisses me off
You saying burgers aren't important chief?
Now i'm pissed off.
If I can make it better then they do, it really ain't that important
This is a great point.
I love a good burger, but if I've got all the right ingredients then I'd choose my own burger any day of the week. I want a full half an avocado spread on that bottom bun, anything less is never enough. And a good 2x tablespoons of mayo on the top bun, Best Foods brand only.
No burger place will give me that, and I haven't even got to the pattie, cheese and salads situation yet.
Apparently the words of Steven Fry are not acceptable anymore, hopefully, just because there was an F-Bomb in there.
Leaving aside the specific issue discussed on here, what are peoples thoughts on this statement?
This is what I've been plugging away at with my comments about where the line gets drawn, who decides, and why.
The more I think about that, the more problematic it gets.
I don't like the comments like the one KH made, and the one Leggy made about driving later, but if I really think it through, logically, I can't see how I can stand here and say that they aren't allowed to say those things. I can't justify it, even though I think the comments were abhorrent. Because otherwise, I've got to look at everything, and decide on a boundary. And that's basically impossible.
It's telling that Gervais also mentioned that he's spent his career rubbishing religion, telling everyone it's a total crock, but that if anyone was to try and silence any religious person and stop them airing their views, he would rail against that, and would support them.
Things that piss me off: This thread!
Remember to play the ball and not the man.
Of the chains Burger Wisconsen is by far the best, unfortunately in Wellington at least they're all in the suburbs and not in the city, and also much more expensive than the fast food chains.
I think it is Winconsin, and paying $15 for a burger is something I would never do.
I would not pay $15 to eat junk food.
I wouldn’t pay $15 to eat a salad. Maybe that’s why I’m fat?
Apparently the words of Steven Fry are not acceptable anymore, hopefully, just because there was an F-Bomb in there.
Leaving aside the specific issue discussed on here, what are peoples thoughts on this statement?
This is what I've been plugging away at with my comments about where the line gets drawn, who decides, and why.
The more I think about that, the more problematic it gets.
I don't like the comments like the one KH made, and the one Leggy made about driving later, but if I really think it through, logically, I can't see how I can stand here and say that they aren't allowed to say those things. I can't justify it, even though I think the comments were abhorrent. Because otherwise, I've got to look at everything, and decide on a boundary. And that's basically impossible.
It's telling that Gervais also mentioned that he's spent his career rubbishing religion, telling everyone it's a total crock, but that if anyone was to try and silence any religious person and stop them airing their views, he would rail against that, and would support them.
Freedom of speech is an interesting chat. My personal view is people should be allowed to say anything they like. However, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of what you say. If you say something that could be perceived as racist/controversial/offensive, the concept of the right of freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to be upset if people look down on you because of it, or exercise their right to freedom of speech to confront you verbally about it.
I think the only exception to this is if you respond to what someone says with violence, because that's literally restricting someones freedom of speech.
Also in terms of mods removing posts etc. I don't think the whole 'freedom of speech' things put you above community rules and moderators.
Of the chains Burger Wisconsen is by far the best, unfortunately in Wellington at least they're all in the suburbs and not in the city, and also much more expensive than the fast food chains.
I think it is Winconsin, and paying $15 for a burger is something I would never do.
I would not pay $15 to eat junk food.
I don't know, a Burger Wisconsin burger has a lot of salad in it. Definitely seems pretty healthy.
I see green in there. It’s healthy!
The burger I’m going to eat this afternoon and it’s negative side effects to my health is 100% this forums fault.
Freedom of speech is an interesting chat. My personal view is people should be allowed to say anything they like. However, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of what you say. If you say something that could be perceived as racist/controversial/offensive, the concept of the right of freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to be upset if people look down on you because of it, or exercise their right to freedom of speech to confront you verbally about it.
I think the only exception to this is if you respond to what someone says with violence, because that's literally restricting someones freedom of speech.
Also in terms of mods removing posts etc. I don't think the whole 'freedom of speech' things put you above community rules and moderators.
Always reminds me of this, know it is American based but still funny
Apparently the words of Steven Fry are not acceptable anymore, hopefully, just because there was an F-Bomb in there.
Leaving aside the specific issue discussed on here, what are peoples thoughts on this statement?
This is what I've been plugging away at with my comments about where the line gets drawn, who decides, and why.
The more I think about that, the more problematic it gets.
I don't like the comments like the one KH made, and the one Leggy made about driving later, but if I really think it through, logically, I can't see how I can stand here and say that they aren't allowed to say those things. I can't justify it, even though I think the comments were abhorrent. Because otherwise, I've got to look at everything, and decide on a boundary. And that's basically impossible.
It's telling that Gervais also mentioned that he's spent his career rubbishing religion, telling everyone it's a total crock, but that if anyone was to try and silence any religious person and stop them airing their views, he would rail against that, and would support them.
Freedom of speech is an interesting chat. My personal view is people should be allowed to say anything they like. However, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of what you say. If you say something that could be perceived as racist/controversial/offensive, the concept of the right of freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to be upset if people look down on you because of it, or exercise their right to freedom of speech to confront you verbally about it.
I think the only exception to this is if you respond to what someone says with violence, because that's literally restricting someones freedom of speech.
Also in terms of mods removing posts etc. I don't think the whole 'freedom of speech' things put you above community rules and moderators.
Brilliant post IMO.
So now going back, if you put the unacceptable threats of violence and alleged pushing/hands on person aside, and think only of the words, what happened was actually good.
KH said what he said, people challenged him and told them what they think, everyone was able to speak, and the majority has basically ruled here, and told him that what he said was not palatable to most of us. He will likely think twice about saying it next time most probably, if he doesn't want to offend his friends. Or he'll just say it again, and have to wear the consequences again, either way he'll get what he bargained for.
If the alleged physical actions are 100% as described on here, then that's the actual line crossed right there.
Also re: "play the ball not the man" yes agree, and I think that's exactly what these last few posts from various people have done. No one is talking about KH and his personal views, just purely what was said, the reaction to it, and how that fits in with the premise of free speech. I like it.
And free speech also applies to this thread. For those complaining about this topic dragging and being boring, yep, understood. Those who have continued to talk about it have exercised their right to free speech, and those who have complained that it should be over by now have exercised theirs.
Freedom of speech is an interesting chat. My personal view is people should be allowed to say anything they like. However, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of what you say. If you say something that could be perceived as racist/controversial/offensive, the concept of the right of freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to be upset if people look down on you because of it, or exercise their right to freedom of speech to confront you verbally about it.
I think the only exception to this is if you respond to what someone says with violence, because that's literally restricting someones freedom of speech.
Also in terms of mods removing posts etc. I don't think the whole 'freedom of speech' things put you above community rules and moderators.
Always reminds me of this, know it is American based but still funny
Hmm this is an interesting one.
What about the guy in the UK who put a Pug on youtube that gives the nazi salute when he says "seig heil", or "kill all jews"?
Obviously grossly offensive, but he's actually been convicted and is being jailed.
This is what Gervais is speaking out against right now - saying he should not be convicted for this.
Thoughts?
I'm looking forward to my Double Smokey at BurgerLiquor for lunch.
Apparently the words of Steven Fry are not acceptable anymore, hopefully, just because there was an F-Bomb in there.
Leaving aside the specific issue discussed on here, what are peoples thoughts on this statement?
Apparently the words of Steven Fry are not acceptable anymore, hopefully, just because there was an F-Bomb in there.
Leaving aside the specific issue discussed on here, what are peoples thoughts on this statement?
It does make me think though. Ricky Gervais looks a lot like David Brent from the office. Spooky.
Mind. Blown.
I blame you all
Going to devour mine while watching Pacific Rim this afternoon. Will report on it’s deliciousness.
Apparently the words of Steven Fry are not acceptable anymore, hopefully, just because there was an F-Bomb in there.
Leaving aside the specific issue discussed on here, what are peoples thoughts on this statement?
It does make me think though. Ricky Gervais looks a lot like David Brent from the office. Spooky.
And an awful lot like Derek. He must have been a triplet separated at birth
Apparently the words of Steven Fry are not acceptable anymore, hopefully, just because there was an F-Bomb in there.
Leaving aside the specific issue discussed on here, what are peoples thoughts on this statement?
It does make me think though. Ricky Gervais looks a lot like David Brent from the office. Spooky.
And an awful lot like Derek. He must have been a triplet separated at birth
With the amount of money Ricky and David (I assume) make, it's pretty poor that Derek works in an old folks home with funding issues. Surely they could chuck a few bucks his way. Pisses me off!
Things that piss me off:
Looking at pictures of delicious burgers, then assessing the tight budget of a family with one income and three small children, admitting defeat, and depressingly opening up my lunch box.
Things that piss me off:
Looking at pictures of delicious burgers, then assessing the tight budget of a family with one income and three small children, admitting defeat, and depressingly opening up my lunch box.
Certainly better for you.
That burger isn't sitting well. You're better off.
Things that are not p*ssing me off right now:
THE CRICKET!!!!
Thanks guys, guess who left their lunch and dinner at home and now has another 7 hours to look forward to without sustinance.
Things that piss me off:
Looking at pictures of delicious burgers, then assessing the tight budget of a family with one income and three small children, admitting defeat, and depressingly opening up my lunch box.
Certainly better for you.
Was actually pretty decent to be fair. There was bacon under there.
Fudge me. Incredible.
will Patrick reach 30 before his first Heart Attack ?
Doesn't piss me off but.
Men can't do belly dancing unless you want weird, creepy and reptilian siniuousness.
creepy.
But I celebrate that he needs to earn a wage so good luck.
