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Updated MPQL Table.

Looks like today's win means ChCh United now unable to be caught with FC now needing to win all their remaining games by big margins to avoid the drop. 

Team P W D L F A GD Pts
Christchurch United 16 15 1 0 75 8 67 46
Burwood 15 8 3 4 32 24 8 27
Ferrymead Bays 18 9 2 7 47 38 9 29
Waimakariri 16 7 2 7 37 37 0 23
Selwyn 18 7 2 9 44 46 -2 23
Halswell United 15 6 1 8 28 41 -13 19
Parklands United 16 6 0 10 23 46 -25 18
Universities 16 3 3 10 14 44 -30 12
FC Twenty11 18 2 2 14 27 80 -53 8
St Albans Shirley 16 2 1 12 12 41 -36 7
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As a Burwood old boy of many years standing, good to see the lad doing so well.  Still look up the results every week from the Hutt Valley where i am now.  

Clare Park, sill the home of football ay

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Walsall Boy wrote:

As a Burwood old boy of many years standing, good to see the lad doing so well.  Still look up the results every week from the Hutt Valley where i am now.  

Clare Park, sill the home of football ay

I don't have any connection with Burwood but I agree it is good to see the 'so-called' smaller or less celebrated clubs doing well. I am hoping they finish in 2nd as that would be a great achievement and they have played well this season

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Yes agree good to see a club of limited resources and size doing so well ahead of more vaunted opposition the likes of Uni, Waimak and Halswell. Great credit to Murray and his team and good reward for an outstanding attitude.

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Here is the current table for the Nelson Bays Div 1 League, which is played over 15 rounds.

On Saturday FC Nelson defeated Tahuna 2 - 0.

  P W D L F A GD Pts
FC Nelson 12 9 1 2 41 13 28 28
Tahuna 12 7 3 2 21 13 8 24
Nelson College 13 6 2 5 23 19 4 20
Suburbs Development 13 6 1 6 33 32 1 19
Richmond 13 5 1 7 28 36 -8 16
Wakefield 13 0 2 11 10 43 -33 2
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Mainland Premier Qualifying League - Round 5

Burwood 2 Halswell 2 HT 0 - 2

Ferrymead Bays 3 Selwyn 1 HT 2 - 2

Parklands 0 Universities 3 HT 0 - 1

St Albans Shirley 1 FC Twenty11 2 HT 0 - 1

Waimakariri vs. ChCh United deferred due to Unite playing Melville in Chatham Cup Quarter-Final - Melville won 4 - 0

Updated table

Team P W D L F A GD Pts
Christchurch Utd 16 15 1 0 75 8 67 46
Ferrymead Bays 19 10 2 7 50 39 11 32
Burwood 16 8 4 4 34 26 8 28
Waimakariri 16 7 2 7 37 37 0 23
Selwyn 19 7 2 10 45 49 -4 23
Halswell United 16 6 2 8 30 43 -13 20
Parklands United 17 6 0 11 23 46 -28 18
Universities 17 4 3 10 17 44 -27 15
FC Twenty11 19 3 2 14 29 81 -52 11
St Albans Shirley 17 2 1 12 12 41 -37 7

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Hearing a rumour there was a lot of paper work for the ref at Ilam fields yesterday. What was going on?

Also a great turnaround by Bays from half time to full time!

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Physiotable wrote:

Hearing a rumour there was a lot of paper work for the ref at Ilam fields yesterday. What was going on?

Also a great turnaround by Bays from half time to full time!

Well...I am not sure if either team will know for sure, but in short the ref lost the plot in the 2nd half and started booking everyone he could see in what was a very clean (not a mud pun) game without any bad fouls. Unfortunately ruined it. 

The worst decision was awarding a penalty and still giving a red card for denying a goal scoring opportunity - laws state only a yellow as you still get the penalty. He seemed to go into full panic mode after that without anyone really knowing what was going on, giving cards to anyone that was nearby.

He was being assessed so we will see if anything comes of it - but lets be honest, Mainland will only ever back their own rather than admit it went wrong. 

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referee at the Burwood game also had a shocker with some dubious calls and 5 minutes added on time from no where 

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the observer wrote:

referee at the Burwood game also had a shocker with some dubious calls and 5 minutes added on time from no where 

The thing is, the ref didn't really have many calls to make, 2 probable penalties in the 1st half but the 'no' call was accepted and then the game moved on. It just went a bit silly as I said above without any dirty play or bad language.

The worst call I have seen was a couple of weeks ago - a goal was scored - as a player went to shoot the goalie dived at his feet and was injured, the ball spilled across the goal and the striker scored. The ref wandered around a bit, checked the goalie and then decided to re-start the game with a drop ball! He didn't ever stop the game so it should be a goal unless he went back to a foul somewhere, not a drop ball.

The same ref was heard during the game after a player had his shirt and then arm pulled back that the incident didn't meet the threshold he set for pulling. There is a not a threshold that I have been made aware of when reffing.

The thing is, we should all respect ref's and they volunteer (for $35) to be there so a game can take place, but the level seems to have dropped again this year (outside of prems) and they seem to be short on numbers as there have been 14 and 15 year olds running the line. Great they want to be involved but the pressure of the game would be too much at that age and put most off.

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From what I've seen this year, there are better refs in terms of communication and decision making in lower grades, i.e. CCL reserves, but for whatever reason they aren't promoted to higher grade games. I've also seen assistants raise the flag, been not seen by the ref and then just carry on with the game after 20 to 30 seconds of not getting a response from the ref. Surely they should stick to their guns and stay with their decision? And the ref should be looking towards them, especially there is an offside decision to be made?

Now I'm not meaning to be harsh to the guys that give up an afternoon to get a game going, and I habe reffed a few games myself, but I agree the standard has seemed to have gone downhill in the last couple of years. Some seem to think the game is about them, and will not even be willing to have a conversation with players or coaches. They then get more frustrated because there is no explanation forthcoming for the decisions that have or haven't been made.

I was at that game with the disallowed goal, and some of the other comments and consistency of decisions to the different teams were mind boggling. I personally don't think it shows a great level of professionalism either when one team is being called by first names and the opposition is called by numbers.

Like I say, it is a tough gig and I have done it a number of times at different levels, and do appreciate these guys turning up week in week out for a game to go ahead, but sometimes I wonder if it is worth it for these young players playing at the higher levels if the standard and consistency is so shocking.

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the observer wrote:

referee at the Burwood game also had a shocker with some dubious calls and 5 minutes added on time from no where 

I hear the council person marking the lines at Clare Park had a shocker too ?

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Jeez guys. Fifa laws clearly state when it's DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area for a yellow card to be issued the offending player must attempt to play the ball. And on saturday the offending parklands player held and pulled the attacking University player. The penalty and red card was correct to the laws of the game. Bit of respect towards the officials might have seen parklands players avoid the sinbin and the coach remaining in the technical area.

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BenchWarmer wrote:

the observer wrote:

referee at the Burwood game also had a shocker with some dubious calls and 5 minutes added on time from no where 

I hear the council person marking the lines at Clare Park had a shocker too ?

Must have been done on a Friday arvo. Out of paint out of time haha. 

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Jeez guys. Fifa laws clearly state when it's DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area for a yellow card to be issued the offending player must attempt to play the ball. And on saturday the offending parklands player held and pulled the attacking University player. The penalty and red card was correct to the laws of the game. Bit of respect towards the officials might have seen parklands players avoid the sinbin and the coach remaining in the technical area.

Was the Parklands player attempting to play the ball at the same time as pulling the attacker?? If so, according to you, it should have just been a yellow, right?

And respect to the ref?? Respect works in both directions, and needs to happen in both directions. I can honestly say that some refs shown little or no respect to players, coaching staff and or supporters. I've been involved in games where the ref has shouted at supporters during the game, and in another game stopped a game to walk up to a coach and basically scream in his face for apparently it having a sub ready when one was asked to be made, despite the sub being stripped and ready to go

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Physiotable wrote:

Jeez guys. Fifa laws clearly state when it's DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area for a yellow card to be issued the offending player must attempt to play the ball. And on saturday the offending parklands player held and pulled the attacking University player. The penalty and red card was correct to the laws of the game. Bit of respect towards the officials might have seen parklands players avoid the sinbin and the coach remaining in the technical area.

Was the Parklands player attempting to play the ball at the same time as pulling the attacker?? If so, according to you, it should have just been a yellow, right?

And respect to the ref?? Respect works in both directions, and needs to happen in both directions. I can honestly say that some refs shown little or no respect to players, coaching staff and or supporters. I've been involved in games where the ref has shouted at supporters during the game, and in another game stopped a game to walk up to a coach and basically scream in his face for apparently it having a sub ready when one was asked to be made, despite the sub being stripped and ready to go

Please tell me how dragging a player back is an attempt to play the ball?  

My comments aren't about past games you've been involved in or witnessed just what happened on the weekend in parklands v uni

You can't tell me the way the players were carrying on that they were showing respect to the match officials? It's not parklands first season either where the sin bin has been used. Perhaps a little more discipline and self control might have seen them only playing with 10 as the red card to jasper was 100% correct. In the laws where they say attempting to play the ball it's in relation to a tackle that's slightly mistimed or a keeper that's a fraction slow getting to the ball where then the penalty and yellow card are justified but dragging a player back is in no way an attempt to play the ball. 

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Physiotable wrote:

Jeez guys. Fifa laws clearly state when it's DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area for a yellow card to be issued the offending player must attempt to play the ball. And on saturday the offending parklands player held and pulled the attacking University player. The penalty and red card was correct to the laws of the game. Bit of respect towards the officials might have seen parklands players avoid the sinbin and the coach remaining in the technical area.

Was the Parklands player attempting to play the ball at the same time as pulling the attacker?? If so, according to you, it should have just been a yellow, right?

And respect to the ref?? Respect works in both directions, and needs to happen in both directions. I can honestly say that some refs shown little or no respect to players, coaching staff and or supporters. I've been involved in games where the ref has shouted at supporters during the game, and in another game stopped a game to walk up to a coach and basically scream in his face for apparently it having a sub ready when one was asked to be made, despite the sub being stripped and ready to go

Please tell me how dragging a player back is an attempt to play the ball?  

My comments aren't about past games you've been involved in or witnessed just what happened on the weekend in parklands v uni

You can't tell me the way the players were carrying on that they were showing respect to the match officials? It's not parklands first season either where the sin bin has been used. Perhaps a little more discipline and self control might have seen them only playing with 10 as the red card to jasper was 100% correct. In the laws where they say attempting to play the ball it's in relation to a tackle that's slightly mistimed or a keeper that's a fraction slow getting to the ball where then the penalty and yellow card are justified but dragging a player back is in no way an attempt to play the ball. 

Surely it is an attempt to play the ball if he is making a challenge at the same time as pulling the attacker?? Or is that not making a challenge. Unfortunately I didn't see the game so can't say whether this was the case, just asking.

In regard to your respect comment it was implied that refs are shown little respect in whatever game.

The players may have been carrying on, again I wasn't there so can't confirm or deny, but this stems from refereeing decisions. The most frustrating thing for players is the lack of consistency from refs. The same challenges are seeming to be given for one side and not the other. I'm not denying they are fouls but if they are then it should be the other way too.

Parklands have been very respectful of referees and officials this year, with a number commenting how good they have been. It does seem though that the less fashionable clubs do get a raw deal from officials. I have heard and seen players swearing at refs this year and nothing has been done about it, then all of a sudden comments not directed at refs have resulted in sin bins. You can't tell me that there isn't prejudice there!

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I'm also very surprised to hear the Parklands coach got a red card too as he's one of the most respectful coaches going around. Would be very interesting to know what it was for

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Physiotable wrote:

Physiotable wrote:

Jeez guys. Fifa laws clearly state when it's DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area for a yellow card to be issued the offending player must attempt to play the ball. And on saturday the offending parklands player held and pulled the attacking University player. The penalty and red card was correct to the laws of the game. Bit of respect towards the officials might have seen parklands players avoid the sinbin and the coach remaining in the technical area.

Was the Parklands player attempting to play the ball at the same time as pulling the attacker?? If so, according to you, it should have just been a yellow, right?

And respect to the ref?? Respect works in both directions, and needs to happen in both directions. I can honestly say that some refs shown little or no respect to players, coaching staff and or supporters. I've been involved in games where the ref has shouted at supporters during the game, and in another game stopped a game to walk up to a coach and basically scream in his face for apparently it having a sub ready when one was asked to be made, despite the sub being stripped and ready to go

Please tell me how dragging a player back is an attempt to play the ball?  

My comments aren't about past games you've been involved in or witnessed just what happened on the weekend in parklands v uni

You can't tell me the way the players were carrying on that they were showing respect to the match officials? It's not parklands first season either where the sin bin has been used. Perhaps a little more discipline and self control might have seen them only playing with 10 as the red card to jasper was 100% correct. In the laws where they say attempting to play the ball it's in relation to a tackle that's slightly mistimed or a keeper that's a fraction slow getting to the ball where then the penalty and yellow card are justified but dragging a player back is in no way an attempt to play the ball. 

Surely it is an attempt to play the ball if he is making a challenge at the same time as pulling the attacker?? Or is that not making a challenge. Unfortunately I didn't see the game so can't say whether this was the case, just asking.

In regard to your respect comment it was implied that refs are shown little respect in whatever game.

The players may have been carrying on, again I wasn't there so can't confirm or deny, but this stems from refereeing decisions. The most frustrating thing for players is the lack of consistency from refs. The same challenges are seeming to be given for one side and not the other. I'm not denying they are fouls but if they are then it should be the other way too.

Parklands have been very respectful of referees and officials this year, with a number commenting how good they have been. It does seem though that the less fashionable clubs do get a raw deal from officials. I have heard and seen players swearing at refs this year and nothing has been done about it, then all of a sudden comments not directed at refs have resulted in sin bins. You can't tell me that there isn't prejudice there!

Less fashionable clubs get a raw deal? Prejudice?? Give me a break. I know plenty of Referees who would argue with that statement. Only certain grades have the sin bin and alot of it is down the referee discretion such as whether they heard it or not and if it was directed at them or said with the player being frustrated with themselves. I watched the parklands game and they seem to implode. Worse part was the coach who is meant to be leading from the front lost his head as well and was removed from the technical area. In regards to the red card pulling or holding an opponent isn't considered going for the ball it's seen as trying to disadvantage the attacker thus the red card. I thought the young referee in the middle had a fantastic game and everything he called was to what the game would expect and within the laws of the game.  And as for your other comment about it not being directed at the referee I can assure you seeing as you weren't there and have no actual reason to base any decision on, that they were most certainly directed toward the referee and his assistants. If you have any other issues perhaps you might decide to become a referee I'm sure they could perhaps change some of your misinformed views and opinions. 

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Physiotable wrote:

Physiotable wrote:

Jeez guys. Fifa laws clearly state when it's DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area for a yellow card to be issued the offending player must attempt to play the ball. And on saturday the offending parklands player held and pulled the attacking University player. The penalty and red card was correct to the laws of the game. Bit of respect towards the officials might have seen parklands players avoid the sinbin and the coach remaining in the technical area.

Was the Parklands player attempting to play the ball at the same time as pulling the attacker?? If so, according to you, it should have just been a yellow, right?

And respect to the ref?? Respect works in both directions, and needs to happen in both directions. I can honestly say that some refs shown little or no respect to players, coaching staff and or supporters. I've been involved in games where the ref has shouted at supporters during the game, and in another game stopped a game to walk up to a coach and basically scream in his face for apparently it having a sub ready when one was asked to be made, despite the sub being stripped and ready to go

Please tell me how dragging a player back is an attempt to play the ball?  

My comments aren't about past games you've been involved in or witnessed just what happened on the weekend in parklands v uni

You can't tell me the way the players were carrying on that they were showing respect to the match officials? It's not parklands first season either where the sin bin has been used. Perhaps a little more discipline and self control might have seen them only playing with 10 as the red card to jasper was 100% correct. In the laws where they say attempting to play the ball it's in relation to a tackle that's slightly mistimed or a keeper that's a fraction slow getting to the ball where then the penalty and yellow card are justified but dragging a player back is in no way an attempt to play the ball. 

Surely it is an attempt to play the ball if he is making a challenge at the same time as pulling the attacker?? Or is that not making a challenge. Unfortunately I didn't see the game so can't say whether this was the case, just asking.

In regard to your respect comment it was implied that refs are shown little respect in whatever game.

The players may have been carrying on, again I wasn't there so can't confirm or deny, but this stems from refereeing decisions. The most frustrating thing for players is the lack of consistency from refs. The same challenges are seeming to be given for one side and not the other. I'm not denying they are fouls but if they are then it should be the other way too.

Parklands have been very respectful of referees and officials this year, with a number commenting how good they have been. It does seem though that the less fashionable clubs do get a raw deal from officials. I have heard and seen players swearing at refs this year and nothing has been done about it, then all of a sudden comments not directed at refs have resulted in sin bins. You can't tell me that there isn't prejudice there!

Less fashionable clubs get a raw deal? Prejudice?? Give me a break. I know plenty of Referees who would argue with that statement. Only certain grades have the sin bin and alot of it is down the referee discretion such as whether they heard it or not and if it was directed at them or said with the player being frustrated with themselves. I watched the parklands game and they seem to implode. Worse part was the coach who is meant to be leading from the front lost his head as well and was removed from the technical area. In regards to the red card pulling or holding an opponent isn't considered going for the ball it's seen as trying to disadvantage the attacker thus the red card. I thought the young referee in the middle had a fantastic game and everything he called was to what the game would expect and within the laws of the game.  And as for your other comment about it not being directed at the referee I can assure you seeing as you weren't there and have no actual reason to base any decision on, that they were most certainly directed toward the referee and his assistants. If you have any other issues perhaps you might decide to become a referee I'm sure they could perhaps change some of your misinformed views and opinions. 

I’m not going to get into the argument about whether it was a red card or not, seen it given both ways, and the ref has interpreted it one way whereas a number of others have another way.

What is really interesting though is that 2 similar decisions in the 1st half were not given. One the ref had his whistle in his mouth ready to blow for the foul when he looked across and the AR just carried on running (the ref was right next to the incident and so in a perfect position.

Parklands 1st dissent came from the word rubbish being said and mud being flicked off the hand after landing in a big mud bog during a tackle, yet during the first half the Universities captain shouted F**k off to the ref after an offside decision and nothing was done!

Also the ref sent the named physio from the Parklands bench because he didn’t think she should be there! She is named as physio, said absolutely nothing and still got removed!

The Universities captain was heard swearing numerous other times during the game in front of children, and university students were also swearing at players when they were down injured (this was nothing to do with the supporters or management near the bench, it was random students watching the game on the far side from the dugouts, right next to the ball kids!)

The fact Universities players and bench were laughing at some of the decisions that had been made says it all!

Take nothing away from Universities, they were the better team on the day and deserved their win.

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BenchWarmer wrote:

Physiotable wrote:

Physiotable wrote:

Jeez guys. Fifa laws clearly state when it's DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area for a yellow card to be issued the offending player must attempt to play the ball. And on saturday the offending parklands player held and pulled the attacking University player. The penalty and red card was correct to the laws of the game. Bit of respect towards the officials might have seen parklands players avoid the sinbin and the coach remaining in the technical area.

Was the Parklands player attempting to play the ball at the same time as pulling the attacker?? If so, according to you, it should have just been a yellow, right?

And respect to the ref?? Respect works in both directions, and needs to happen in both directions. I can honestly say that some refs shown little or no respect to players, coaching staff and or supporters. I've been involved in games where the ref has shouted at supporters during the game, and in another game stopped a game to walk up to a coach and basically scream in his face for apparently it having a sub ready when one was asked to be made, despite the sub being stripped and ready to go

Please tell me how dragging a player back is an attempt to play the ball?  

My comments aren't about past games you've been involved in or witnessed just what happened on the weekend in parklands v uni

You can't tell me the way the players were carrying on that they were showing respect to the match officials? It's not parklands first season either where the sin bin has been used. Perhaps a little more discipline and self control might have seen them only playing with 10 as the red card to jasper was 100% correct. In the laws where they say attempting to play the ball it's in relation to a tackle that's slightly mistimed or a keeper that's a fraction slow getting to the ball where then the penalty and yellow card are justified but dragging a player back is in no way an attempt to play the ball. 

Surely it is an attempt to play the ball if he is making a challenge at the same time as pulling the attacker?? Or is that not making a challenge. Unfortunately I didn't see the game so can't say whether this was the case, just asking.

In regard to your respect comment it was implied that refs are shown little respect in whatever game.

The players may have been carrying on, again I wasn't there so can't confirm or deny, but this stems from refereeing decisions. The most frustrating thing for players is the lack of consistency from refs. The same challenges are seeming to be given for one side and not the other. I'm not denying they are fouls but if they are then it should be the other way too.

Parklands have been very respectful of referees and officials this year, with a number commenting how good they have been. It does seem though that the less fashionable clubs do get a raw deal from officials. I have heard and seen players swearing at refs this year and nothing has been done about it, then all of a sudden comments not directed at refs have resulted in sin bins. You can't tell me that there isn't prejudice there!

Less fashionable clubs get a raw deal? Prejudice?? Give me a break. I know plenty of Referees who would argue with that statement. Only certain grades have the sin bin and alot of it is down the referee discretion such as whether they heard it or not and if it was directed at them or said with the player being frustrated with themselves. I watched the parklands game and they seem to implode. Worse part was the coach who is meant to be leading from the front lost his head as well and was removed from the technical area. In regards to the red card pulling or holding an opponent isn't considered going for the ball it's seen as trying to disadvantage the attacker thus the red card. I thought the young referee in the middle had a fantastic game and everything he called was to what the game would expect and within the laws of the game.  And as for your other comment about it not being directed at the referee I can assure you seeing as you weren't there and have no actual reason to base any decision on, that they were most certainly directed toward the referee and his assistants. If you have any other issues perhaps you might decide to become a referee I'm sure they could perhaps change some of your misinformed views and opinions. 

I’m not going to get into the argument about whether it was a red card or not, seen it given both ways, and the ref has interpreted it one way whereas a number of others have another way.

What is really interesting though is that 2 similar decisions in the 1st half were not given. One the ref had his whistle in his mouth ready to blow for the foul when he looked across and the AR just carried on running (the ref was right next to the incident and so in a perfect position.

Parklands 1st dissent came from the word rubbish being said and mud being flicked off the hand after landing in a big mud bog during a tackle, yet during the first half the Universities captain shouted F**k off to the ref after an offside decision and nothing was done!

Also the ref sent the named physio from the Parklands bench because he didn’t think she should be there! She is named as physio, said absolutely nothing and still got removed!

The Universities captain was heard swearing numerous other times during the game in front of children, and university students were also swearing at players when they were down injured (this was nothing to do with the supporters or management near the bench, it was random students watching the game on the far side from the dugouts, right next to the ball kids!)

The fact Universities players and bench were laughing at some of the decisions that had been made says it all!

Take nothing away from Universities, they were the better team on the day and deserved their win.

To be honest with you from a rugby league playing back ground.

The level of dissent and crowd size etc with some like you said being university students would make it hard to distinguish who said what if the referee in fact had his back turned but what was clear to see is arms being thrown around in frustration etc and if I'm not correct both forms of dissent verbal or gestures are punishable by sin bin. Surely the players would know this by now. I get that every referee is different and that their tolerances will change from ref to ref and maybe even week to week depending on how the game is going. But we need the top divisions to lead by example so that younger generations stop with all the carry on and nonsense that happens around football.

If the young lad in the middle thought that was a tough game I would like to see him manage us old buggers in div 5 on a Sunday. The Referees are doing the best that they are able too. Without them most sports would suffer

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BenchWarmer wrote:

Physiotable wrote:

Physiotable wrote:

Jeez guys. Fifa laws clearly state when it's DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area for a yellow card to be issued the offending player must attempt to play the ball. And on saturday the offending parklands player held and pulled the attacking University player. The penalty and red card was correct to the laws of the game. Bit of respect towards the officials might have seen parklands players avoid the sinbin and the coach remaining in the technical area.

Was the Parklands player attempting to play the ball at the same time as pulling the attacker?? If so, according to you, it should have just been a yellow, right?

And respect to the ref?? Respect works in both directions, and needs to happen in both directions. I can honestly say that some refs shown little or no respect to players, coaching staff and or supporters. I've been involved in games where the ref has shouted at supporters during the game, and in another game stopped a game to walk up to a coach and basically scream in his face for apparently it having a sub ready when one was asked to be made, despite the sub being stripped and ready to go

Please tell me how dragging a player back is an attempt to play the ball?  

My comments aren't about past games you've been involved in or witnessed just what happened on the weekend in parklands v uni

You can't tell me the way the players were carrying on that they were showing respect to the match officials? It's not parklands first season either where the sin bin has been used. Perhaps a little more discipline and self control might have seen them only playing with 10 as the red card to jasper was 100% correct. In the laws where they say attempting to play the ball it's in relation to a tackle that's slightly mistimed or a keeper that's a fraction slow getting to the ball where then the penalty and yellow card are justified but dragging a player back is in no way an attempt to play the ball. 

Surely it is an attempt to play the ball if he is making a challenge at the same time as pulling the attacker?? Or is that not making a challenge. Unfortunately I didn't see the game so can't say whether this was the case, just asking.

In regard to your respect comment it was implied that refs are shown little respect in whatever game.

The players may have been carrying on, again I wasn't there so can't confirm or deny, but this stems from refereeing decisions. The most frustrating thing for players is the lack of consistency from refs. The same challenges are seeming to be given for one side and not the other. I'm not denying they are fouls but if they are then it should be the other way too.

Parklands have been very respectful of referees and officials this year, with a number commenting how good they have been. It does seem though that the less fashionable clubs do get a raw deal from officials. I have heard and seen players swearing at refs this year and nothing has been done about it, then all of a sudden comments not directed at refs have resulted in sin bins. You can't tell me that there isn't prejudice there!

Less fashionable clubs get a raw deal? Prejudice?? Give me a break. I know plenty of Referees who would argue with that statement. Only certain grades have the sin bin and alot of it is down the referee discretion such as whether they heard it or not and if it was directed at them or said with the player being frustrated with themselves. I watched the parklands game and they seem to implode. Worse part was the coach who is meant to be leading from the front lost his head as well and was removed from the technical area. In regards to the red card pulling or holding an opponent isn't considered going for the ball it's seen as trying to disadvantage the attacker thus the red card. I thought the young referee in the middle had a fantastic game and everything he called was to what the game would expect and within the laws of the game.  And as for your other comment about it not being directed at the referee I can assure you seeing as you weren't there and have no actual reason to base any decision on, that they were most certainly directed toward the referee and his assistants. If you have any other issues perhaps you might decide to become a referee I'm sure they could perhaps change some of your misinformed views and opinions. 

I’m not going to get into the argument about whether it was a red card or not, seen it given both ways, and the ref has interpreted it one way whereas a number of others have another way.

What is really interesting though is that 2 similar decisions in the 1st half were not given. One the ref had his whistle in his mouth ready to blow for the foul when he looked across and the AR just carried on running (the ref was right next to the incident and so in a perfect position.

Parklands 1st dissent came from the word rubbish being said and mud being flicked off the hand after landing in a big mud bog during a tackle, yet during the first half the Universities captain shouted F**k off to the ref after an offside decision and nothing was done!

Also the ref sent the named physio from the Parklands bench because he didn’t think she should be there! She is named as physio, said absolutely nothing and still got removed!

The Universities captain was heard swearing numerous other times during the game in front of children, and university students were also swearing at players when they were down injured (this was nothing to do with the supporters or management near the bench, it was random students watching the game on the far side from the dugouts, right next to the ball kids!)

The fact Universities players and bench were laughing at some of the decisions that had been made says it all!

Take nothing away from Universities, they were the better team on the day and deserved their win.

To be honest with you from a rugby league playing back ground.

The level of dissent and crowd size etc with some like you said being university students would make it hard to distinguish who said what if the referee in fact had his back turned but what was clear to see is arms being thrown around in frustration etc and if I'm not correct both forms of dissent verbal or gestures are punishable by sin bin. Surely the players would know this by now. I get that every referee is different and that their tolerances will change from ref to ref and maybe even week to week depending on how the game is going. But we need the top divisions to lead by example so that younger generations stop with all the carry on and nonsense that happens around football.

If the young lad in the middle thought that was a tough game I would like to see him manage us old buggers in div 5 on a Sunday. The Referees are doing the best that they are able too. Without them most sports would suffer

If you get sin binned for throwing arms around in frustration the game would be 3 v 3 within about 20 minutes. And the players don't know what's happening because sin bins seem to be used some weeks and not others. We had a meeting prior to last season about them and what was said there didn't materialise on game days.

Yes the players need to set examples but it is difficult to not be frustrated when refs are so different from one week to the next.

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Physiotable wrote:

BenchWarmer wrote:

Physiotable wrote:

Physiotable wrote:

Jeez guys. Fifa laws clearly state when it's DOGSO (denying obvious goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area for a yellow card to be issued the offending player must attempt to play the ball. And on saturday the offending parklands player held and pulled the attacking University player. The penalty and red card was correct to the laws of the game. Bit of respect towards the officials might have seen parklands players avoid the sinbin and the coach remaining in the technical area.

Was the Parklands player attempting to play the ball at the same time as pulling the attacker?? If so, according to you, it should have just been a yellow, right?

And respect to the ref?? Respect works in both directions, and needs to happen in both directions. I can honestly say that some refs shown little or no respect to players, coaching staff and or supporters. I've been involved in games where the ref has shouted at supporters during the game, and in another game stopped a game to walk up to a coach and basically scream in his face for apparently it having a sub ready when one was asked to be made, despite the sub being stripped and ready to go

Please tell me how dragging a player back is an attempt to play the ball?  

My comments aren't about past games you've been involved in or witnessed just what happened on the weekend in parklands v uni

You can't tell me the way the players were carrying on that they were showing respect to the match officials? It's not parklands first season either where the sin bin has been used. Perhaps a little more discipline and self control might have seen them only playing with 10 as the red card to jasper was 100% correct. In the laws where they say attempting to play the ball it's in relation to a tackle that's slightly mistimed or a keeper that's a fraction slow getting to the ball where then the penalty and yellow card are justified but dragging a player back is in no way an attempt to play the ball. 

Surely it is an attempt to play the ball if he is making a challenge at the same time as pulling the attacker?? Or is that not making a challenge. Unfortunately I didn't see the game so can't say whether this was the case, just asking.

In regard to your respect comment it was implied that refs are shown little respect in whatever game.

The players may have been carrying on, again I wasn't there so can't confirm or deny, but this stems from refereeing decisions. The most frustrating thing for players is the lack of consistency from refs. The same challenges are seeming to be given for one side and not the other. I'm not denying they are fouls but if they are then it should be the other way too.

Parklands have been very respectful of referees and officials this year, with a number commenting how good they have been. It does seem though that the less fashionable clubs do get a raw deal from officials. I have heard and seen players swearing at refs this year and nothing has been done about it, then all of a sudden comments not directed at refs have resulted in sin bins. You can't tell me that there isn't prejudice there!

Less fashionable clubs get a raw deal? Prejudice?? Give me a break. I know plenty of Referees who would argue with that statement. Only certain grades have the sin bin and alot of it is down the referee discretion such as whether they heard it or not and if it was directed at them or said with the player being frustrated with themselves. I watched the parklands game and they seem to implode. Worse part was the coach who is meant to be leading from the front lost his head as well and was removed from the technical area. In regards to the red card pulling or holding an opponent isn't considered going for the ball it's seen as trying to disadvantage the attacker thus the red card. I thought the young referee in the middle had a fantastic game and everything he called was to what the game would expect and within the laws of the game.  And as for your other comment about it not being directed at the referee I can assure you seeing as you weren't there and have no actual reason to base any decision on, that they were most certainly directed toward the referee and his assistants. If you have any other issues perhaps you might decide to become a referee I'm sure they could perhaps change some of your misinformed views and opinions. 

I’m not going to get into the argument about whether it was a red card or not, seen it given both ways, and the ref has interpreted it one way whereas a number of others have another way.

What is really interesting though is that 2 similar decisions in the 1st half were not given. One the ref had his whistle in his mouth ready to blow for the foul when he looked across and the AR just carried on running (the ref was right next to the incident and so in a perfect position.

Parklands 1st dissent came from the word rubbish being said and mud being flicked off the hand after landing in a big mud bog during a tackle, yet during the first half the Universities captain shouted F**k off to the ref after an offside decision and nothing was done!

Also the ref sent the named physio from the Parklands bench because he didn’t think she should be there! She is named as physio, said absolutely nothing and still got removed!

The Universities captain was heard swearing numerous other times during the game in front of children, and university students were also swearing at players when they were down injured (this was nothing to do with the supporters or management near the bench, it was random students watching the game on the far side from the dugouts, right next to the ball kids!)

The fact Universities players and bench were laughing at some of the decisions that had been made says it all!

Take nothing away from Universities, they were the better team on the day and deserved their win.

To be honest with you from a rugby league playing back ground.

The level of dissent and crowd size etc with some like you said being university students would make it hard to distinguish who said what if the referee in fact had his back turned but what was clear to see is arms being thrown around in frustration etc and if I'm not correct both forms of dissent verbal or gestures are punishable by sin bin. Surely the players would know this by now. I get that every referee is different and that their tolerances will change from ref to ref and maybe even week to week depending on how the game is going. But we need the top divisions to lead by example so that younger generations stop with all the carry on and nonsense that happens around football.

If the young lad in the middle thought that was a tough game I would like to see him manage us old buggers in div 5 on a Sunday. The Referees are doing the best that they are able too. Without them most sports would suffer

If you get sin binned for throwing arms around in frustration the game would be 3 v 3 within about 20 minutes. And the players don't know what's happening because sin bins seem to be used some weeks and not others. We had a meeting prior to last season about them and what was said there didn't materialise on game days.

Yes the players need to set examples but it is difficult to not be frustrated when refs are so different from one week to the next.

Yeah I understand that players get frustrated and that some weeks things can be different depending on the day or the referee at the time. But in league if one player gets binned the rest get put on notice very quickly about what not to do. I thought it was a good game for the most part with frustrations getting a bit out of hand. Which is a shame as when I have watched parklands this season they have been very well disciplined. Guess we can chalk it down to an off day. Hopefully they can get the rest of their season back on track without any incidents from Saturday happening again. 

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Mainland Premier Qualifying League - Round 6 of 9

Burwood 3 Waimakariri 2 HT 3 - 0

Christchurch United 0 Ferrymead Bays 1 HT 0 - 1

Halswell vs. FC Twenty11 - game postponed due to water logged pitch

Universities 8 St Albans Shirley 0 HT 6 - 0

Selwyn vs. Parklands kicking off at 6pm - will update table after this game and home from the Blackwells Holden Reta Fitzpatrick Cup Final which kicks off at 6:30pm 

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AllWhites82 wrote:

Mainland Premier Qualifying League - Round 6 of 9

Burwood 3 Waimakariri 2 HT 3 - 0

Christchurch United 0 Ferrymead Bays 1 HT 0 - 1

Halswell vs. FC Twenty11 - game postponed due to water logged pitch

Universities 8 St Albans Shirley 0 HT 6 - 0

Selwyn vs. Parklands kicking off at 6pm - will update table after this game and home from the Blackwells Holden Reta Fitzpatrick Cup Final which kicks off at 6:30pm 

Selwyn have just advised that their game against Parklands now postponed due to water logged pitch, updated table is:

Team P W D L F A GD Pts
Christchurch Utd 17 15 1 1 75 9 66 46
Ferrymead Bays 20 11 2 7 51 39 12 35
Burwood 17 9 4 4 37 28 9 31
Waimakariri 17 7 2 8 39 40 -1 23
Selwyn 19 7 2 10 45 49 -4 23
Halswell United 16 6 2 8 30 43 -13 20
Universities 18 5 3 10 25 44 -19 18
Parklands United 17 6 0 11 23 46 -28 18
FC Twenty11 19 3 2 14 29 81 -52 11
St Albans Shirley 18 2 1 12 12 41 -45 7

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Catch-up game from the Canterbury Championship League just finished

Burwood 4 Halswell 1

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With tonight's game here is the final CCL table

Team P W D L F A GD Pts PP
Christchurch United 12 12 0 0 57 5 52 36 36
Burwood 12 6 3 3 28 16 12 21 21
Waimakariri 12 5 2 5 28 29 -1 17 17
Parklands United 12 5 0 7 20 34 -14 15 15
Halswell United 12 4 1 7 19 34 -15 13 13
Universities 12 3 3 6 12 25 -13 12 12
St Albans Shirley 12 2 1 9 10 31 -21 7 7

and what the MPQL table is now:

Team P W D L F A GD Pts
Christchurch United 17 15 1 1 75 9 66 46
Ferrymead Bays 20 11 2 7 51 39 12 35
Burwood 18 10 4 4 41 29 12 34
Waimakariri 17 7 2 8 39 40 -1 23
Selwyn 19 7 2 10 45 49 -4 23
Halswell United 17 6 2 9 31 47 -16 20
Universities 18 5 3 10 25 44 -19 18
Parklands United 17 6 0 11 23 46 -28 18
FC Twenty11 19 3 2 14 29 81 -52 11
St Albans Shirley 18 2 1 12 12 41 -45 7
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Top effort by the lads tonight, 4 -1 win over Halswell. All 4 goals were quality, admitting the 3rd took a deflection. But the build up and shots were top draw. Watched the lads beat Waimak 3 - 2 on Saturday. I think that was a better game given the poor weather. Burwood and Waimak played outstandingly well given this. Burwood up 3 - 0 by half time with the wind (could have just easily been more). But to be fair to Waimak they came roaring back in the 2nd half, with Burwood holding on for the win. A lot has been said about officiating recently but in both games the officials played their part with good performances. None of the players, coaches or officials were perfect - but we can't have a game without them all. So respect the game!

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Top of the table clash in Nelson tonight with second placed Tahuna defeating leaders FC Nelson  2 - 1, to cut FC's lead to two points with both having one game to play. 

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Mainland Premier Qualifying League - Round 7 of 9

FC Twenty11 0 universities 4

Ferrymead Bays 1 Burwood 1

Parklands 0 ChCh United 5

St Albans Shirley 1 Selwyn 3

Waimakariri 2 Halswell 1

Burwood scoring deep in added time to earn a share of the points against Ferrymead Bays - the first time Bays have dropped points in the MPQL with Waimak scoring in the last few minutes of normal time to get up over Halswell, with Universities keeping their third clean sheet in a row to defeat MPL side FC Twenty11.  

Updated Table

P W D L F A GD Pts
ChCh United 18 16 1 1 80 9 71 49
Ferrymead Bays 21 11 3 7 52 40 12 36
Burwood 19 10 5 4 42 30 12 35
Waimakariri 18 8 2 8 41 41 0 26
Selwyn 20 8 2 10 48 50 -2 26
Universities 19 6 3 10 29 44 -15 21
Halswell United 18 6 2 10 32 49 -17 20
Parklands United 18 6 0 12 23 46 -33 18
FC Twenty11 20 3 2 15 29 85 -56 11
St Albans Shirley 19 2 1 12 12 41 -47 7

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In news from Nelson, FC Nelson won their final game to secure the Nelson Bays Div 1 title and are seeking promotion so will now play ChCh United home and away with the winner to gain MPL status for 2020. 

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Looks like dates have been set for the three catch-up games in the MPQL:

20 Aug

Selwyn vs. Parklands - English Park

27 Aug

Halswell vs. FC Twenty11 - Avonhead Park

Waimakariri vs. ChCh United - Kendall Park

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I would imagine the Waimak game will be at Kendall Park if it’s a Tuesday night game

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I would imagine the Waimak game will be at Kendall Park if it’s a Tuesday night game

Just going by what is on draw on the Mainland Website. Will follow up.

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BenchWarmer wrote:

I would imagine the Waimak game will be at Kendall Park if it’s a Tuesday night game

Yes is at Kendall so have amended original post to avoid any confusion.

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After an early goal to Parklands, Selwyn lead 2-1 at halftime 

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FT Selwyn 3 Parklands 1

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Updated table:


P W D L F A GD Pts
ChCh United 18 16 1 1 80 9 71 49
Ferrymead Bays 21 11 3 7 52 40 12 36
Burwood 19 10 5 4 42 30 12 35
Selwyn 21 9 2 10 51 51 0 29
Waimakariri 18 8 2 8 41 41 0 26
Universities 19 6 3 10 29 44 -15 21
Halswell United 18 6 2 10 32 49 -17 20
Parklands United 19 6 0 13 24 49 -35 18
FC Twenty11 20 3 2 15 29 85 -56 11
St Albans Shirley 19 2 1 12 12 41 -47 7

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What's happened to Halswell?

Used to watch them a lot under Steve Wooddin and Kevin Mulgrew. Always had a good team with Keith Grosvenor, Scott Webster, Gary Wooddin etc. Even the side that got to the Chatham Cup Semi Final in 06 was still a good one.

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