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Masty wrote:

I think spenders are just after success, regardless of the level. And it usually works one season, then others catch up, then they do it again.

Not sure if the football environment's vast enough in New Zealand for a lasting structure to come through.

It almost seems like it's more of a perpetual popularity contest, in the winter leagues at least and NZFC (bar ACFC/Central) to an extent.

Does anyone that knows the background of Birkenhead have anything to say here?

I feel like they might be the one of the best examples of a 'developing' club - until they started to compete for Northern League, then the cheque-book came out...

National U17 champions

National U19 champions

I watched their Premier Reserves in action a couple of weeks ago and the oldest outfield player at one point of the game was 17.

Not sure why you wouldn't call them a 'developing club'...

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Masty wrote:

I think spenders are just after success, regardless of the level. And it usually works one season, then others catch up, then they do it again.

Not sure if the football environment's vast enough in New Zealand for a lasting structure to come through.

It almost seems like it's more of a perpetual popularity contest, in the winter leagues at least and NZFC (bar ACFC/Central) to an extent.

Does anyone that knows the background of Birkenhead have anything to say here?

I feel like they might be the one of the best examples of a 'developing' club - until they started to compete for Northern League, then the cheque-book came out...

National U17 champions

National U19 champions

I watched their Premier Reserves in action a couple of weeks ago and the oldest outfield player at one point of the game was 17.

Not sure why you wouldn't call them a 'developing club'...

because hardly any of the current crop will ever make the first team.....

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Ren wrote:

Canadian 

Unless Toronto has moved.....

Got an Aussie flag beside his name on Soccerway's Waitakere Utd 2014 squad list.

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Masty wrote:

I think spenders are just after success, regardless of the level. And it usually works one season, then others catch up, then they do it again.

Not sure if the football environment's vast enough in New Zealand for a lasting structure to come through.

It almost seems like it's more of a perpetual popularity contest, in the winter leagues at least and NZFC (bar ACFC/Central) to an extent.

Does anyone that knows the background of Birkenhead have anything to say here?

I feel like they might be the one of the best examples of a 'developing' club - until they started to compete for Northern League, then the cheque-book came out...

National U17 champions

National U19 champions

I watched their Premier Reserves in action a couple of weeks ago and the oldest outfield player at one point of the game was 17.

Not sure why you wouldn't call them a 'developing club'...

because hardly any of the current crop will ever make the first team.....

So you are familiar with every one of those Reserve and U19 players ?

Otherwise just sounds like you have something against the club.

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Masty wrote:

I think spenders are just after success, regardless of the level. And it usually works one season, then others catch up, then they do it again.

Not sure if the football environment's vast enough in New Zealand for a lasting structure to come through.

It almost seems like it's more of a perpetual popularity contest, in the winter leagues at least and NZFC (bar ACFC/Central) to an extent.

Does anyone that knows the background of Birkenhead have anything to say here?

I feel like they might be the one of the best examples of a 'developing' club - until they started to compete for Northern League, then the cheque-book came out...

National U17 champions

National U19 champions

I watched their Premier Reserves in action a couple of weeks ago and the oldest outfield player at one point of the game was 17.

Not sure why you wouldn't call them a 'developing club'...

because hardly any of the current crop will ever make the first team.....

That's just your opinion, not fact.  They have had a large amount of players come thru into their first team from their reserves

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Masty wrote:

Does anyone that knows the background of Birkenhead have anything to say here?

I feel like they might be the one of the best examples of a 'developing' club - until they started to compete for Northern League, then the cheque-book came out...

National U17 champions

National U19 champions

I watched their Premier Reserves in action a couple of weeks ago and the oldest outfield player at one point of the game was 17.

Not sure why you wouldn't call them a 'developing club'...

I could swear I said one of the BEST examples of a DEVELOPING club.

Anyway.

Let's hope they come through in the first team from now onwards. They should be 'ready' at 18/19/20...

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I've refereed Bowen twice. He has a North American accent. That's not necessarily ruling out him being Australian though.

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Chris Kerr wrote:

I've refereed Bowen twice. He has a North American accent. That's not necessarily ruling out him being Australian though.

At the match yesterday I overheard one of the Suburbs backroom staff refer to him as 'the Canadian.' But ditto.

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I was at Melville vs Glenfield yesterday - write-up and photos here:

http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2015/08/09/do-you-believe-in-miracles/

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Three Kings docked points (I think 13) for fielding an ineligible player in 8 of their NRFL Premier games. Makes the race to stay in the league more interesting with Melville having a real chance at avoiding the drop (now out of the bottom 2) and even gives Waitakere City a slight chance. 

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/sport/70992690/ineligible-player-ruling-a-massive-boost-to-melville-uniteds-survival-hopes

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The games affected by Three Kings' points deductions are 

28/3/2015 Central United 4 – 2 Three Kings United

Post-decision result: 4-0

3/4/2015 Three Kings United 1 – 1 Western Springs
Post-decision result: 0-3

6/4/2015 Onehunga Sports 1 – 0 Three Kings United
Post-decision result: 3-0

11/4/2015 Three Kings United 6 – 1 Melville United
Post-decision result: 0-3

18/4/2015 Waitakere City 0 – 10 Three Kings United
Post-decision result: 3-0

25/4/2015 Three Kings United 2 – 1 Birkenhead United
Post-decision result: 0-3

27/4/2015 Three Kings United 2 – 3 Bay Olympic
Post-decision result: 0-3

2/5/2015 Eastern Suburbs 2 – 4 Three Kings United
Post-decision result: 3-0

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What a mess. Here ends all interest in this years Northern League as most team placings are now done and dusted.

Thanks Waitakere and Three Kings, hope you enjoy second division football together next season.

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Three Kings docked points (I think 13) for fielding an ineligible player in 8 of their NRFL Premier games. Makes the race to stay in the league more interesting with Melville having a real chance at avoiding the drop (now out of the bottom 2) and even gives Waitakere City a slight chance. 

how do they dock points retrospectively?

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Feverish wrote:

Three Kings docked points (I think 13) for fielding an ineligible player in 8 of their NRFL Premier games. Makes the race to stay in the league more interesting with Melville having a real chance at avoiding the drop (now out of the bottom 2) and even gives Waitakere City a slight chance. 

how do they dock points retrospectively?

I'm not sure, I was aware a punishment was heading Three Kings' way some time ago I guess AFF have just taken a while with their investigation and judicial proceedings. 

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Feverish wrote:

Three Kings docked points (I think 13) for fielding an ineligible player in 8 of their NRFL Premier games. Makes the race to stay in the league more interesting with Melville having a real chance at avoiding the drop (now out of the bottom 2) and even gives Waitakere City a slight chance. 

how do they dock points retrospectively?

By decree?

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The protest came from Waitakere City so I would've thought that only the 10-0 result would have been overturned not all 8.

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Melville though. Potentially the greatest of great escapes.

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bwtcf wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Three Kings docked points (I think 13) for fielding an ineligible player in 8 of their NRFL Premier games. Makes the race to stay in the league more interesting with Melville having a real chance at avoiding the drop (now out of the bottom 2) and even gives Waitakere City a slight chance. 

how do they dock points retrospectively?

By decree?

the case against Three Kings while technically correct is pretty thin - and the ruling again while within the regulations is harsh.

the ineligible player is Tom Konusi - who is a Three Kings player and has come through their junior ranks.

The problem is around goalnet registrations - Auckland City had a record for a Thomas Konusi and Three Kings had a record for a Tom Konusi - Thomas Konusi was never transferred back to Three Kings from Auckland City until the issue was raised by Hamilton Wanderers - but some poor admin person at TKU would have looked and seen Tom Konusi still registered at TKU and didn't bother checking for any duplicates - hence the reason it's harsh..

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I  assume an appeal from Three Kings is inevitable. 

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chopah wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

Feverish wrote:

RamblingLoonie wrote:

Three Kings docked points (I think 13) for fielding an ineligible player in 8 of their NRFL Premier games. Makes the race to stay in the league more interesting with Melville having a real chance at avoiding the drop (now out of the bottom 2) and even gives Waitakere City a slight chance. 

how do they dock points retrospectively?

By decree?

the case against Three Kings while technically correct is pretty thin - and the ruling again while within the regulations is harsh.

the ineligible player is Tom Konusi - who is a Three Kings player and has come through their junior ranks.

The problem is around goalnet registrations - Auckland City had a record for a Thomas Konusi and Three Kings had a record for a Tom Konusi - Thomas Konusi was never transferred back to Three Kings from Auckland City until the issue was raised by Hamilton Wanderers - but some poor admin person at TKU would have looked and seen Tom Konusi still registered at TKU and didn't bother checking for any duplicates - hence the reason it's harsh..

That is harsh if Konusi was on the database twice I wonder if this is grounds for an appeal? 

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pretty good case as regs state the ASB rego must go back to the club it came from surely?

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I think I remember being told that ACFC were holding on to his rego for some reason. 

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Tracksuit return?

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Hard News wrote:

Tracksuit return?

Previously regos went back to winter clubs at a certain date (ASB was like a loan) but that hasn't been the case for a couple of seasons.

It's an oversight from TKU but it's not worth all this.  Also I would assume that since the first points they lost which was against Hamilton Wanderers ages ago that they would have appealed it and have clearly lost.  So they could appeal this as well but I don't see NZF changing their mind.

Also my biggest concern is why couldnt this be sorted like 10 rounds ago, why the wait?  Amateur hour.

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chopah wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Tracksuit return?

Previously regos went back to winter clubs at a certain date (ASB was like a loan) but that hasn't been the case for a couple of seasons.

It's an oversight from TKU but it's not worth all this.  Also I would assume that since the first points they lost which was against Hamilton Wanderers ages ago that they would have appealed it and have clearly lost.  So they could appeal this as well but I don't see NZF changing their mind.

Also my biggest concern is why couldnt this be sorted like 10 rounds ago, why the wait?  Amateur hour.

It seems to me that they've been punished twice because according to the release on the AFF website this 13 point deduction is from a Waitakere City protest on top of the already overturned result in the Hamilton Wanderers game.

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nick wrote:

chopah wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Tracksuit return?

Previously regos went back to winter clubs at a certain date (ASB was like a loan) but that hasn't been the case for a couple of seasons.

It's an oversight from TKU but it's not worth all this.  Also I would assume that since the first points they lost which was against Hamilton Wanderers ages ago that they would have appealed it and have clearly lost.  So they could appeal this as well but I don't see NZF changing their mind.

Also my biggest concern is why couldnt this be sorted like 10 rounds ago, why the wait?  Amateur hour.

It seems to me that they've been punished twice because according to the release on the AFF website this 13 point deduction is from a Waitakere City protest on top of the already overturned result in the Hamilton Wanderers game.

Yeah that's what I'm trying to say, so a appeal overturn looks unlikely

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chopah wrote:

nick wrote:

chopah wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Tracksuit return?

Previously regos went back to winter clubs at a certain date (ASB was like a loan) but that hasn't been the case for a couple of seasons.

It's an oversight from TKU but it's not worth all this.  Also I would assume that since the first points they lost which was against Hamilton Wanderers ages ago that they would have appealed it and have clearly lost.  So they could appeal this as well but I don't see NZF changing their mind.

Also my biggest concern is why couldnt this be sorted like 10 rounds ago, why the wait?  Amateur hour.

It seems to me that they've been punished twice because according to the release on the AFF website this 13 point deduction is from a Waitakere City protest on top of the already overturned result in the Hamilton Wanderers game.

Yeah that's what I'm trying to say, so a appeal overturn looks unlikely

I assume the principle of double jeopardy doesn't apply in this instance then? 

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nick wrote:

chopah wrote:

nick wrote:

chopah wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Tracksuit return?

Previously regos went back to winter clubs at a certain date (ASB was like a loan) but that hasn't been the case for a couple of seasons.

It's an oversight from TKU but it's not worth all this.  Also I would assume that since the first points they lost which was against Hamilton Wanderers ages ago that they would have appealed it and have clearly lost.  So they could appeal this as well but I don't see NZF changing their mind.

Also my biggest concern is why couldnt this be sorted like 10 rounds ago, why the wait?  Amateur hour.

It seems to me that they've been punished twice because according to the release on the AFF website this 13 point deduction is from a Waitakere City protest on top of the already overturned result in the Hamilton Wanderers game.

Yeah that's what I'm trying to say, so a appeal overturn looks unlikely

I assume the principle of double jeopardy doesn't apply in this instance then? 

Well it's different games so not really double jeopardy

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chopah wrote:

nick wrote:

chopah wrote:

nick wrote:

chopah wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Tracksuit return?

Previously regos went back to winter clubs at a certain date (ASB was like a loan) but that hasn't been the case for a couple of seasons.

It's an oversight from TKU but it's not worth all this.  Also I would assume that since the first points they lost which was against Hamilton Wanderers ages ago that they would have appealed it and have clearly lost.  So they could appeal this as well but I don't see NZF changing their mind.

Also my biggest concern is why couldnt this be sorted like 10 rounds ago, why the wait?  Amateur hour.

It seems to me that they've been punished twice because according to the release on the AFF website this 13 point deduction is from a Waitakere City protest on top of the already overturned result in the Hamilton Wanderers game.

Yeah that's what I'm trying to say, so a appeal overturn looks unlikely

I assume the principle of double jeopardy doesn't apply in this instance then? 

Well it's different games so not really double jeopardy

Good point  I should have known that really I wasn't thinking 

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Here's my take on and pics of Wanderers vs Three Kings United yesterday...

http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2015/08/16/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/

Link doesnt work?

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NHpeter wrote:

Here's my take on and pics of Wanderers vs Three Kings United yesterday...

http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2015/08/16/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/

Link doesnt work?

Oh that's weird! Try this: http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2015/08/16/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/

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Forest Hill secured the league today. Two league titles and promotions in two years.  Decent effort. They may have Mully (part time) and Boyens playing for them but the rest of the squad is quite young

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Was at the FHM (2) v NSU (1) game on Saturday which swa FHM take the title. Mulligan played about the last 20 minutes and scored a classic free kick in the last minute to win the game. Boyens not playing (injured ?) , and remainder of team is very young. 

Ordinary game but I don't think the Becroft surface helps.

Looks like  NSU will probably take the second promotion spot as Hibiscus and Tauranga drop late season points. Would be nice to see them back in the top available level after they decided many years back that it was not worth taking the NFF competition seriously. 

Both sides will need to recruit to be competitive at Premier level.

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Boyens was in Aus for the weekend. I don't think FHM will struggle to add a few quality players

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Went to NSU (1) v Tauranga (3) yesterday at Devonport.

Good croud turned up to see NSU secure promotion but celebrations delayed for at least a week after Tauranga went 3-0 up  in first half - some pretty diabolical defending at times. 

To their credit Shore came back in the second half and threw everything at Tauranga who were just hanging on at times.Scored one with a number of near misses.

Taurangas coaching team were entertaining - permanently out of the coaching box until the ref lost patience towards the end and sent the AC off (might have been Andy Birchenhough ?) Tauranga picked up a few stupid bookings which might hurt them in their run in.

Shore could still clinch promotion by beating Mangere next week , as even if Tauranga win their last 3 games NSU have a  better goal difference but it could be tight (TCU would have to make up about 10 goals in two games).

Neither side impressed to be honest and would struggle in NPL without reinforcing.

IF NSU get promoted then 5 shore teams in NPL so the player market would be competitive ?

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I was at Melville v Wanderers yesterday. You know the drill...

http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2015/09/13/dotvststwritmaohaiis/

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Three Kings have won their appeal against the deduction of 13 points, apparently due process wasn't followed and the decision can't stand now it's been referred back to the NRFL competitions manager. 

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Is anyone actually surprised with this outcome.

The decisions seemed dodgy right from day 1 - a penalty for one game I could understand but a multiple hit??

Melville will not be happy after being given false hope.

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